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First Olympic dodgy judging

nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
edited August 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
I think I've just witnessed my first sight of dodgy judging in this Olympics.

Men's horizontal bar final:
1. Zou Kai (Chn) 16.200 points Gold
2. Jonathan Horton (US) 16.175 Silver
3. Fabian Hambuechen (Ger) 15.875 Bronze

Jonathan Horton's performance was stunning. When his result went up the crowd booed, I think that says it all. Even the commentator said he disagreed with the judges. Don't suppose it had anything to do with the fact that the guy he was trying to beat was Chinese (dripping sarcasm intended).

A fix me thinks.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,240
    THe womans gymnastics has been complete bullshit in favor of the Chinese and against the US the entire time.

    Those little 12 year olds are getting the benifit of the doubt and the IOC refuses to look into their age almsot as if the Chinese government has kidnapped their family and will torture them if they do. Not to mention on more then one occasion multiple announcers have said the american performances were clearly better yet the Chinese get better scores.

    I don't know how to judge gymnastics so it is hard for me to say but it seems like quite a few people have had issues with the way it is being scored.
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  • RygarRygar Posts: 8,689
    nuffingman wrote:
    I think I've just witnessed my first sight of dodgy judging in this Olympics.

    Men's horizontal bar final:
    1. Zou Kai (Chn) 16.200 points Gold
    2. Jonathan Horton (US) 16.175 Silver
    3. Fabian Hambuechen (Ger) 15.875 Bronze

    Jonathan Horton's performance was stunning. When his result went up the crowd booed, I think that says it all. Even the commentator said he disagreed with the judges. Don't suppose it had anything to do with the fact that the guy he was trying to beat was Chinese (dripping sarcasm intended).

    A fix me thinks.
    Was Zou Kai's performance stunning?
  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    Rygar wrote:
    Was Zou Kai's performance stunning?
    It was, but Horton's seemed better to me and to others. The BBC commentator who is a gymastics expert didn't agree with the result and I can't ever remember him doing this before.
  • LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    Which is why, while I enjoy the gymnastics and diving, it is nice to have a precise winner as in the track and field events, volleyball, etc.
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,619
    nuffingman wrote:
    I think I've just witnessed my first sight of dodgy judging in this Olympics.

    Men's horizontal bar final:
    1. Zou Kai (Chn) 16.200 points Gold
    2. Jonathan Horton (US) 16.175 Silver
    3. Fabian Hambuechen (Ger) 15.875 Bronze

    Jonathan Horton's performance was stunning. When his result went up the crowd booed, I think that says it all. Even the commentator said he disagreed with the judges. Don't suppose it had anything to do with the fact that the guy he was trying to beat was Chinese (dripping sarcasm intended).

    A fix me thinks.

    Well, at least when there is dodgy judging, we get to see Bela Karoyli give his explosive opinion!
  • nuffingmannuffingman Posts: 3,014
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Well, at least when there is dodgy judging, we get to see Bela Karoyli give his explosive opinion!
    Who he/she?
  • ToadJodeToadJode Posts: 49
    Lizard wrote:
    Which is why, while I enjoy the gymnastics and diving, it is nice to have a precise winner as in the track and field events, volleyball, etc.

    Totally agreed. Anything that has to be judged has the possibility of unfairness.
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  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
    They should only hold the olympics in America, dodgy judging never happens there.:p
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  • Stone Is GodStone Is God Posts: 1,331
    Any "sport" that needs judges to decide a winner and a loser is not a sport. Having judges leaves things open to corruption and other nonsense. Baseball, basketball, track and field are all sports because there is a winner/loser that is based on solely the performance that they put on where it's not judged by experts.

    Diving and Gymnastics are not sports because the outcome can be determined off of the field of play. They are a competition but not a sport.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,240
    nuffingman wrote:
    Who he/she?
    The guy is hilarous. He is always on NBC at night here during the olympics talking to bob costas. I think he is an ex gymnastics coach. he is not american he has an accent but i'm not sure where he is from exactly.. maybe eastern european or russian i'm not sure but he really gets into and gives some great perspectives.

    It is funny and cool at the same time. He really gets into it
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,619
    intodeep wrote:
    The guy is hilarous. He is always on NBC at night here during the olympics talking to bob costas. I think he is an ex gymnastics coach. he is not american he has an accent but i'm not sure where he is from exactly.. maybe eastern european or russian i'm not sure but he really gets into and gives some great perspectives.

    It is funny and cool at the same time. He really gets into it

    He is from Romania, but now lives in the U.S. Imagine an older, angrier Borat!
  • lazygun_99lazygun_99 Posts: 73
    All the American dudes moves were in the same direction. It looked good but was relitvly "easy". China's Chin was always changing direction and grip which wilst not looking so spectacular was what the judges were giving points for.
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    He is from Romania, but now lives in the U.S. Imagine an older, angrier Borat!

    He used to be Nadia Comaneci's coach
  • LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    CaterinaA wrote:
    He used to be Nadia Comaneci's coach
    Hell yeah! And he also coached Marylou Retton and Carrie Strug, I believe!! Not too shabby!
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    for those following these olympics closely enough, i dont think this was the coming out party china was hoping for... at the same time though i think people are being hypercritical because they know how much this means to the country and because the success of china is such a threat to everyone else... doesnt help that the governments not allowing peaceful protest as they had promised... and the whole underage girls gymnastics thing... and now this... first ive heard about it though so i cant really say one way or the other... too bad about that lui xiang (hurdles) too
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  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
    sgossard3 wrote:
    hypercritical

    Is that like where you criticize people really quickly?
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  • AllieAllie Posts: 2,908
    What about last night with Nastia Liukin tying the CHinese girl but Nastia got the silver? They had the same score!
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  • BetterThanYouBetterThanYou Posts: 853
    nuffingman wrote:
    I think I've just witnessed my first sight of dodgy judging in this Olympics.

    Men's horizontal bar final:
    1. Zou Kai (Chn) 16.200 points Gold
    2. Jonathan Horton (US) 16.175 Silver
    3. Fabian Hambuechen (Ger) 15.875 Bronze

    Jonathan Horton's performance was stunning. When his result went up the crowd booed, I think that says it all. Even the commentator said he disagreed with the judges. Don't suppose it had anything to do with the fact that the guy he was trying to beat was Chinese (dripping sarcasm intended).

    A fix me thinks.

    wait, i heard about this on my way to work this afternoon on sports radio. the host said that judges weren't allowed to score events that featured people from their home country. so that would mean at least china, us, and germany didn't have a judge on this particular panel.
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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    Lizard wrote:
    Which is why, while I enjoy the gymnastics and diving, it is nice to have a precise winner as in the track and field events, volleyball, etc.


    I've always loved Track & Field (possibly has something to do with being a former sprinter :p). It is very cut and dry. That's what I liked about it. As an asthmatic, I wasn't much good for team sports, but with sprinting - oh - I could just get in there do my thing and move on to cheering for my teammates. LOVED it. :D

    However, I also love the artistic display of gymnastics. I finally caved and watched some of it On-Demand over the weekend. I was going to avoid this run of the Olympics, as I am NOT a big fan of the folks in Power over in China. The female American athletes had a few fuck ups, but I felt even when their performance was stellar, they were under-scored. :mad:

    I would definitely rather be in one of the cut and dry sports for this Summer Olympic Games. Where is it going to be next time?
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    Allie wrote:
    What about last night with Nastia Liukin tying the CHinese girl but Nastia got the silver? They had the same score!
    nastias routine probably had a greater initial difficulty level... i just watched the replay of that event but didnt realize their scores were the same... just happy shawn got her gold... lil cutie :D
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    BetterThanYou wrote:
    wait, i heard about this on my way to work this afternoon on sports radio. the host said that judges weren't allowed to score events that featured people from their home country. so that would mean at least china, us, and germany didn't have a judge on this particular panel.
    that doesnt mean there wasnt outside pressure from the chinese... ya always gotta keep a close eye on the home country
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  • AllieAllie Posts: 2,908
    sgossard3 wrote:
    nastias routine probably had a greater initial difficulty level... i just watched the replay of that event but didnt realize their scores were the same... just happy shawn got her gold...
    Me too, USA! USA!!!!!


    the scores were exactly the same. Nastia did not look happy and neither did her Papa.
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    Allie wrote:
    Me too, USA! USA!!!!!


    the scores were exactly the same. Nastia did not look happy and neither did her Papa.
    russians always look pissed off... shed have to be a real bitch to not be happy for her teammate considering she already got a gold and shawn hadnt
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  • AllieAllie Posts: 2,908
    sgossard3 wrote:
    russians always look pissed off... shed have to be a real bitch to not be happy for her teammate considering she already got a gold and shawn hadnt
    oh no, I mean she looked upset about the thing last night with the Chinese girl having the exact same score.
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    Allie wrote:
    oh no, I mean she looked upset about the thing last night with the Chinese girl having the exact same score.
    oh... cant blame her for that... im no gymnastics expert but that chinese girls routine was crappy... she checked her balance a bunch of times and the whole thing just didnt flow very well IMO
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  • AllieAllie Posts: 2,908
    sgossard3 wrote:
    oh... cant blame her for that... im no gymnastics expert but that chinese girls routine was crappy... she checked her balance a bunch of times and the whole thing just didnt flow very well IMO
    the broadcasters said that too
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