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I'm blowing my own mind with gravity

boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
edited January 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
Okay, all you science dorks unite and help me out. It occurs to me that no one really knows or has successfully explained what gravity is and why it happens? I've read Newton's theory and of course Einstein's relativity theory as it relates to the subject and I know that there are quantum physics equations that are way over my head used to support these theories. Maybe I think too esoterically and maybe I got stoned way too much as a younger man. But gravity really has no good explanation. And if you really want to go deep, think about this. Big Bang Theory, okay I understand this theory, but here's the dilema. Where did the Big Bang come from? You can't create something from nothing. What existed before the Big Bang, what was it and where did it come from? If the universe is infinately expanding, how could it have started as nothing? Did the Big Bang occur in an infinite universe? Shit, I need a drink. Discuss.
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  • jordn6971jordn6971 Posts: 675
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Okay, all you science dorks unite and help me out. It occurs to me that no one really knows or has successfully explained what gravity is and why it happens? I've read Newton's theory and of course Einstein's relativity theory as it relates to the subject and I know that there are quantum physics equations that are way over my head used to support these theories. Maybe I think too esoterically and maybe I got stoned way too much as a younger man. But gravity really has no good explanation. And if you really want to go deep, think about this. Big Bang Theory, okay I understand this theory, but here's the dilema. Where did the Big Bang come from? You can't create something from nothing. What existed before the Big Bang, what was it and where did it come from? If the universe is infinately expanding, how could it have started as nothing? Did the Big Bang occur in an infinite universe? Shit, I need a drink. Discuss.

    Maybe you should just get stoned again and try not to think too hard ;)
    "There was a band playing in my head, and I felt like getting high"
  • illegal pantsillegal pants Posts: 13,471
    it's too early for this :eek:

    where did the gravity come from that held 'the small dot' together before the big bang... where did the energy come from to cause the (supposed) explosion... why don't all planets spin in the same direction?

    answer me please :eek:
    wah
  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,673
    God.
  • Obi OnceObi Once Posts: 918
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    If the universe is infinately expanding, how could it have started as nothing? Did the Big Bang occur in an infinite universe? Shit, I need a drink. Discuss.
    The big bang could only occur if all would collapse (again?) at one point. So infinately expanding is questionable and that would explain gravity, no? Can someone refill my glass..?
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    tish wrote:
    God.

    That's the same thing as saying I haven't the foggiest idea, and I haven't really thought about it much either... hehe
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Okay, all you science dorks unite and help me out. It occurs to me that no one really knows or has successfully explained what gravity is and why it happens? I've read Newton's theory and of course Einstein's relativity theory as it relates to the subject and I know that there are quantum physics equations that are way over my head used to support these theories. Maybe I think too esoterically and maybe I got stoned way too much as a younger man. But gravity really has no good explanation. And if you really want to go deep, think about this. Big Bang Theory, okay I understand this theory, but here's the dilema. Where did the Big Bang come from? You can't create something from nothing. What existed before the Big Bang, what was it and where did it come from? If the universe is infinately expanding, how could it have started as nothing? Did the Big Bang occur in an infinite universe? Shit, I need a drink. Discuss.

    What you're trying to say (I believe) is what are the origins of mass.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    tokafatty on this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECkG_JdodMA

    http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/204/
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    What you're trying to say (I believe) is what are the origins of mass.

    Yeah, kind of boils down to that doesn't it?
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    tokafatty on this...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECkG_JdodMA

    http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/204/

    Did you ever see Mel Brooks "History of the World". Well when he's at the unemployment office and the lady asks him his occupation and he replies, "Stand Up Philosopher".....Then she says "Oh a Bullshit Artist"

    This lecture kind of reminds me of that. Basically the guy is saying that the origin of mass is a really complicated equation that only computers can solve. Gee thanks dude, that's really helpful. Somebody fire up Stephen Hawking's voice box, I need a layman's explanation of this, he's pretty good at that.
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    Don't even get me started on Black Holes or Past and Future Horizons.
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    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,598
    Anything that has mass, has a certain gravity. Like earth.

    Think of earth like a bowling ball on a bed. Its kinda sags. if you put a golf ball waaaay at the edge, nothing happens. If you put it close the the bowling ball, well, its going to go towards the bowling ball.

    Kinda like that.

    Thanks how we stay on the planet. Our planet has mass, a HUGE amount, so we are drawn to it.

    The moon, by contrast, has less mass, so gravity is not as strong.

    But Earth gravity, balanced by the sun, and other celestial bodies, keep the moon from flying off into space.

    Thats about as non-technical as I can get.
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  • Obi OnceObi Once Posts: 918
    I find this interesting, it's not my field of expertise so bare with me.
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Where did the Big Bang come from? You can't create something from nothing. What existed before the Big Bang, what was it and where did it come from? If the universe is infinately expanding, how could it have started as nothing? Did the Big Bang occur in an infinite universe? Shit, I need a drink. Discuss.
    It's hard to get my mind around the idea everything starting with nothing. Could supermassive black holes be like a collection point for matter that at some point (connect and) in some way bursts into a big bang creating universes? Maybe even in other dimensions?
    Could the patterns found in quantum physics account for the attraction of the expanding or stretching universe?
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  • oil alternativeoil alternative Posts: 192
    Ok (in my best Stephen Hawking voice), fill a bucket half full with water and swing it round in a circular motion, hey presto you have defied the Earths natural gravity and created your own gravitational field.
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  • oil alternativeoil alternative Posts: 192
    O and stuff about vacuums and compression ;)
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Yeah, kind of boils down to that doesn't it?


    The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN is working on discovering the higgs boson otherwise known as the "god particle" which is suppose to give a lot more insight to the origins of mass. They are building more and more sensitive particle accelerators in order to zoom in, so to speak, on the quantum level.

    The answers are coming.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    You can't create something from nothing. What existed before the Big Bang, what was it and where did it come from? If the universe is infinately expanding, how could it have started as nothing? Did the Big Bang occur in an infinite universe? Shit, I need a drink. Discuss.

    Stephen Hawking seems to think it did pop up out of nothing, sort of.

    "According to Hawking, the origin of the universe can be depicted as bubbles in boiling water. Small bubbles that appear and then collapse represent mini universes that expand only to disintegrate. A few bubbles grow to a certain size until they are safe from collapse, and will begin to develop galaxies, stars and eventually human life."
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  • boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    Collin wrote:
    Stephen Hawking seems to think it did pop up out of nothing, sort of.

    "According to Hawking, the origin of the universe can be depicted as bubbles in boiling water. Small bubbles that appear and then collapse represent mini universes that expand only to disintegrate. A few bubbles grow to a certain size until they are safe from collapse, and will begin to develop galaxies, stars and eventually human life."

    Good analogy, but if our universe is the bubble, then what is the water or the pot or the fire used to light the water?
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    tish wrote:
    God.
    You sound like Bill O'Reilly talking to (or should I say, at) Richard Dawkins. "I believe in God because it's the only explanation that doesn't require proof"
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Good analogy, but if our universe is the bubble, then what is the water or the pot or the fire used to light the water?


    Take a look at the electrical universe theory. If everything was all electricity pretty much everything can be explained.

    I have no links offhand, I've posted on it before here though. It's all but practically proven by just observing some peculiar characteristics of the sun.

    Some pretty wild stuff and pretty convincing stuff.

    One huge cloud of plasma, or pot of boiling water so to speak.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    (\__/)
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  • Obi OnceObi Once Posts: 918
    http://digg.com/general_sciences/What_on_Earth_is_Wrong_With_Gravity

    enjoy
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  • ToolgardenToolgarden Posts: 88
    The reason you don't know how gravity works is because NOBODY knows how gravity works. Same for the large and small nuclear forces, and electromagnetism. Scientists just haven't figured it out yet. Jesus, they can't even agree on what LIGHT is, or why it behaves the way it does. Basically, we have a long way to go, and the only thing we really understand about our universe is that we don't understand how it works.
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