your future ?
CHANGEinWAVES
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Do you think that the future is ours to discover or ours to create?
meaning:
The future is what it is and we just have to experience it, our choices and decisions will ultimately bring us to the same conclusions (not meaning death). Or that every choice we make changes what our future will be, there is not one Ultimate out come (again not talking about death). What are your thoughts on this?
Not meaning this to be a depressing thread:D
just wondering what others think on this!
meaning:
The future is what it is and we just have to experience it, our choices and decisions will ultimately bring us to the same conclusions (not meaning death). Or that every choice we make changes what our future will be, there is not one Ultimate out come (again not talking about death). What are your thoughts on this?
Not meaning this to be a depressing thread:D
just wondering what others think on this!
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Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
i can look back and see my missteps. and i know had a zigged instead of zagged i wouldnt be sitting where i am right now. i believe we have free will insofar that we choose our moves but there are oppositional forces that might not align with what we envision. so its under our control to act but not to choose what results from those actions.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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And too funny on the depressing
I'm not a predeterminist but I lean towards determinism. I've read about it and had some very interesting discussion about it with a poster here, who sadly doesn't post anymore.
Determinism says - simplified - that every action or event was caused. It means we, much like everything else in this world, are also governed by the laws of nature, cause and effect. It says free will is an illusion. That does not take away the point of existence, or the beauty of existence, imo.
When we look at society and we see the succesful, happy people and the sad, unsuccesful people we might think, according to the free will mindset that one chose to work hard and to study hard to finally reach his current position. However, it becomes clear that his road to succes was "determined" by many factors, and the other's "fall" was also determined by a great number of factors, many of which we cannot identify. We might refer to them as "bad luck" or "good luck".
We all know and we've all witnessed that life makes its own choices, regardless of your efforts or faith. I guess a simple comparison is driving a car, you are behind the wheel, in control. You can choose your own way and you determine how you drive - carefully, recklessly, drunk - even your speed. So, you can be the most careful driver, abide by all the traffic rules (let's for the sake of the argument call these your own choices), another driver (outside factor over which you have no control whatsoever) can be drunk out of his mind and slam right into you.
Now, if you accept that we have no control and that free will is only an illusion (remember everything is caused by previous factors, including your 'choice' to drive carefully) some might say that's a bleak view. What's the point of trying, what's the point of living when you're not in control?
Right. What is the point of living or existence when you're not behind the wheel?
To enjoy the ride, I guess. Determinism can be looked at from a nihilist perspective, but it can also be looked at from a different point of view.
It gives us a humility. My succes isn't here because I made that choice. It's here because of a number of previous events, who were caused by other events. The same goes for the less succesful, they aren't there because of their own will. They are there because of outside factors.
We're all created equal and we all play with the cards we're dealt with. If we understand that one is only doing the best he can with what he has, judgement goes out the door.
Furthermore, just because we are part of a system that governs us doesn't mean we loose are humanity.
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I agree with this...and I constantly think about it. I can drive as safely as possible but I never know when that "other" driver will run a red light and change my life forever. There is free will and choice....but FATE is FATE and we can't stop or change that. (again my opinion)
Once I get out of this town
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life is like a pearl jam concert, you never know what you'll get next.
sit back. enjoy the ride. make it what its worth
Once I get out of this town
9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
^^^ would that be fate/destiny??
we dont know! its like pearl jam is god. they see whats gonna happen.. we dont
Once I get out of this town
9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
Once I get out of this town
9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
Once I get out of this town
9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
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NOTE: Everything I write in the P,P&M section are intended to be songs, not poetry.
Some people want to discover the future, others want to create it for themselves. I would say 100-200 years ago people created their futures more than now. Everybody is just sitting around watching tv and playing on the computer these days, not really thinking whats important in life. Ultimatly life is about helping your fellow man/women. Now a days people are just helping themselves and lost touch with what matters.
well said my friend
Once I get out of this town
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Sorry, I just took my sleeping pill my doc gave me and feeling a little loopy and I got carried away. We create it with choices. Good or bad. I believe in God so I believe the fate of the world has been decided as a whole. Jesus new he was going to die on the cross, and each choice he made lead him to that fate. So as individuals(ms) we can create our own future. As a whole I think its been decided for us. My pill is really kicking in so I hope this makes sense, if not ask me the same question tomorrow.
Only problem with that set up, is that Old Biff could never have returned the time machine to the future where Marty and Doc were fixing Marty's kids' future as he would have been travelling within the Paradoxical tangent of time that he created when he handed the Grey's Sports Almanac to his younger self, thereby not allowing the rest of the movie to take place... Though I think that's more to do with shoddy writing than real timescape physicality...
Sorry... I digress...
Life is what you make it... at least that's what people tell me.
NOTE: Everything I write in the P,P&M section are intended to be songs, not poetry.
I watched that movie today.
I watched all three in the last two days because, as my long weekend thread states, I've been having trouble getting my hands on the new Indy movie, and these movies are in the same realm: Iconically directed classics... (I don't have the old Indy movies on DVD)
(That's the last post from me, since I'm not adding to the discussion. Sorry)
NOTE: Everything I write in the P,P&M section are intended to be songs, not poetry.
LIBYANS!!!!!!!
the future doesnt exist. cause where we are is always the NOW, not ever the future.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Going to sleep now. Have a great night or day were ever you may be. I will sleep on this question. Great thread!