How the diabetes thing works

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited June 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
Never heard it explained quite like this. Very illuminating.

http://www.naturalnews.com/023343.html

"Carbohydrates are foods that turn to sugar inside the body. The carbohydrates that create the highest amount of sugar very quickly are called high glycemic and are sugar and carbohydrates such as bread, pasta, potato, and rice. Other foods such as vegetables (apart from potatoes), nuts and lentils turn to sugar very slowly and are called low glycemic.

Each time we eat a big bowl of pasta, a couple of slices of toast or some sugary foods, there is a surge in the blood sugar level. The body panics "I'm not supposed to be dealing with this type of food. What is going on?" You see, our bodies are not built to consume high glycemic foods... they have only been around for a short period of time relative to our evolution.

A vital hormone called insulin is secreted by the pancreas and encourages the sugar in the blood to move into the cells so that it does not harm the body, and so that it can be turned into energy. Because the pancreas is worried that there is this unnatural amount of sugar, it releases loads of insulin, so the blood sugar is now excessively low.

Now the body is worried because there is no sugar around, so it thinks that it is not going to have any energy. Other sugar raising hormones are called upon to compensate, and so are we. This is when our bodies begin to scream "give me some sugary food to get my blood sugar up again." This is why you begin to crave foods that are high in carbohydrates after just finishing a huge meal an hour before.

If you find yourself in this constant state of eating and craving, you may want to consider cutting out high glycemic foods that make us addicted to the sugar rush, because it will eventually lead to illness.

Insulin Resistance

After this insane cycle of sugar, insulin and more sugar continues for a while, the cell thinks "if that insulin thinks that it can continue to constantly push all of that sugar into me, it better think again!" The cells begin to not allow the sugar to come into them. The blood sugar level is now chronically high since the sugar can't get into the cells, and the pancreas is constantly producing insulin to get rid of the sugar.

This state is called insulin resistance, and it is a pre diabetic state. While diabetes is increasingly common, this state is epidemic and is perhaps the greatest biggest threat to feeling healthy and warding off disease."
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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    My husband is a type II diabetic. I keep telling him to change things through diet, but since his meds are working so well, he doesn't see the need for change. :rolleyes:

    I admit. I am not the greatest example for good health. I'm hypoglycemic, eat lots of sugar, processed foods (along with lots of fruits and veggies, but still), I consume a tremendous amount of caffeine and I love beer.

    I need to work on being a better example. My husband lost his brother to diabetes last summer. His brother went to take a nap and an hour later he was dead. :(

    I've seen how quickly low blood sugar has incapacitated my husband and am familiar with what it feels like due to my condition. A lifestyle change needs to become a priority for us. Diet and exercise - it's so easy, it's ridiculous not to do it.
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  • My husband is a type II diabetic. I keep telling him to change things through diet, but since his meds are working so well, he doesn't see the need for change. :rolleyes:

    I admit. I am not the greatest example for good health. I'm hypoglycemic, eat lots of sugar, processed foods (along with lots of fruits and veggies, but still), I consume a tremendous amount of caffeine and I love beer.

    I need to work on being a better example. My husband lost his brother to diabetes last summer. His brother went to take a nap and an hour later he was dead. :(

    I've seen how quickly low blood sugar has incapacitated my husband and am familiar with what it feels like due to my condition. A lifestyle change needs to become a priority for us. Diet and exercise - it's so easy, it's ridiculous not to do it.
    If you don't mind me asking........ did your husbands brother not take care of his condition? Or did he have it bad and it eventually caught up with him??
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    the one thing to understand is the difference between high glycemic and just sugar ... yes, sugar isn't great for you but it doesn't necessarily translate into a high glycemic food ... fruit for example ...
  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    Roland you need to title this "How the type 2 diabetes thing works"

    we've discussed this before, type 1 is a different ballgame. you need to differentiate between the types
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  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    prism wrote:
    Roland you need to title this "How the type 2 diabetes thing works"

    we've discussed this before, type 1 is a different ballgame. you need to differentiate between the types



    absolutely!


    my father was a type II diabetic. he did take meds, but NOT insulin injections, he actually mannaged his disease fairly well through diet alone.

    whether diabetic or not, high glycemic foods really aren't good - as in mega sugar consumption. as stated, fruit may have a lot of sugar, but it also has loads of fiber and vitamins, that counter it. i just recently read an excellent article in i think the may issue of women's health about our growing addicition to sugar, how it is making us as a nation fat, how it is hidden in sooo many foods, etc. very, very enlightening article. i've already read/heard much about how we consume way too much sugar....but the article was really good. i am always trying to eat healthier. i know i look and feel so much better when i do. sure, got to occasionally indulge, and/or allow for regular treats, but yes....i've been doing quite well lately and i must say my skin and hair really show it. :) now i just need my waistline to show it too. ;)
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  • PJPixiePJPixie Posts: 3,026
    prism wrote:
    Roland you need to title this "How the type 2 diabetes thing works"

    we've discussed this before, type 1 is a different ballgame. you need to differentiate between the types


    Yep, I'm type 1. Have been for over 20 years. Totally insulin dependent.
    A lot of people don't understand the difference. They are 2 totally different disorders.
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  • Gossard_Is_GodGossard_Is_God Posts: 1,031
    PJPixie wrote:
    Yep, I'm type 1. Have been for over 20 years. Totally insulin dependent.
    A lot of people don't understand the difference. They are 2 totally different disorders.

    This september it will be 5 years since I was fiagnosed type 1 diabetic and I still fuckin hate it :(
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  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    If you don't mind me asking........ did your husbands brother not take care of his condition? Or did he have it bad and it eventually caught up with him??

    A little of both. He was 38 when it caught up with him, but he had only been diagnosed as diabetic for a few years.

    His diabetes still acting up the same way my husband's did for the first two years after diagnosis. When my husband was diagnosed the diabetes was acting like type 1 (insulin dependent) and type 2 (insulin resistant). Due to this conundrum his endocrinologist had him relying on insulin shots until things balanced out.

    Those first couple of years were crazy. His (still talking about my hubby here) sugar would be high when it should have been low and vice versa, making it extremely difficult to manage.

    Finally, after two years of this glucose roller coaster it leveled out and could be managed by pills.

    The last time my husband talked to his brother was when Sean had called us. He was SOOOO excited about the sudden change in my husband's diabetes and thought my husband was being treated by some new miracle drug. Nope, it was just the old school metformin. Bummer news for my brother-in-law.

    My BIL had been trying to turn his life around for about a year before his passing. He had a history of drug use and run ins with the law. But also always worked his ass off in jobs that are very hard on the body.

    His body was trying to recover from some pretty bad injuries after he had been hit by a car. He was in bad shape, but at the viewing, it appeared he had been healthy. :confused:

    When he died, he had been having a hard time eating enough due to an ulcer. So, as mentioned in my previous post. He simply felt tired, wanted to take a nap and was dead an hour later. His sugar dropped too low.

    I have seen how fast blood sugar can drop in type 1's and 2's, plus have felt it for myself as a hypoglycemic.

    Some people may think you're hypersensitive, seriously pissed off, or even drunk. When in reality, you really need to eat something - fast.

    Hope that helps.
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  • PJPixiePJPixie Posts: 3,026
    A little of both. He was 38 when it caught up with him, but he had only been diagnosed as diabetic for a few years.

    His diabetes still acting up the same way my husband's did for the first two years after diagnosis. When my husband was diagnosed the diabetes was acting like type 1 (insulin dependent) and type 2 (insulin resistant). Due to this conundrum his endocrinologist had him relying on insulin shots until things balanced out.

    Those first couple of years were crazy. His (still talking about my hubby here) sugar would be high when it should have been low and vice versa, making it extremely difficult to manage.

    Finally, after two years of this glucose roller coaster it leveled out and could be managed by pills.

    The last time my husband talked to his brother was when Sean had called us. He was SOOOO excited about the sudden change in my husband's diabetes and thought my husband was being treated by some new miracle drug. Nope, it was just the old school metformin. Bummer news for my brother-in-law.

    My BIL had been trying to turn his life around for about a year before his passing. He had a history of drug use and run ins with the law. But also always worked his ass off in jobs that are very hard on the body.

    His body was trying to recover from some pretty bad injuries after he had been hit by a car. He was in bad shape, but at the viewing, it appeared he had been healthy. :confused:

    When he died, he had been having a hard time eating enough due to an ulcer. So, as mentioned in my previous post. He simply felt tired, wanted to take a nap and was dead an hour later. His sugar dropped too low.

    I have seen how fast blood sugar can drop in type 1's and 2's, plus have felt it for myself as a hypoglycemic.

    Some people may think you're hypersensitive, seriously pissed off, or even drunk. When in reality, you really need to eat something - fast.

    Hope that helps.

    Low Blood Sugar is a very scary thing. I've passed out a few times from it. Too much insulin on board, not enough food. Few ER visits, it's amazing how scary it is when it's happening. I usually go into a bit of denial at first, thinking I'm ok. My life has been saved quite a few times by my ex-husband and some great friends. True what you said, about people thinking you may be drunk.
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  • Gossard_Is_GodGossard_Is_God Posts: 1,031
    PJPixie wrote:
    Low Blood Sugar is a very scary thing. I've passed out a few times from it. Too much insulin on board, not enough food. Few ER visits, it's amazing how scary it is when it's happening. I usually go into a bit of denial at first, thinking I'm ok. My life has been saved quite a few times by my ex-husband and some great friends. True what you said, about people thinking you may be drunk.


    Same here, ive had a few scares, goin paralzed down my whole left side, unable to speak, involantary crying, hypos can be frightening.
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  • prism wrote:
    Roland you need to title this "How the type 2 diabetes thing works"

    we've discussed this before, type 1 is a different ballgame. you need to differentiate between the types


    I imagine more advanced stages of any ailment changes things up for sure .

    My intention was to give people a window into how it all starts.

    type 2 that is
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • PJPixiePJPixie Posts: 3,026
    I imagine more advanced stages of any ailment changes things up for sure .

    My intention was to give people a window into how it all starts.

    type 2 that is

    Yeah, the best way I've heard it explained is that in Type 1, the pancreas just completely stops secreting any insulin at all, making it necessary to inject insulin. In Type 2, the pancreas has slowed down it's secreation of insulin so PILLS can be taken to help the Insulin that is there, to work more efficiently. I'm really simplifying it, but that's the basics.

    People ask me all the time why I'm on INSULIN instead of PILLS and look at me like I must have been a very very bad (diabetic) person to have to be on INJECTIONS instead of pills. In fact, to this very day, my mom still does not understand it.
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  • Bathgate66Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    prism wrote:
    Roland you need to title this "How the type 2 diabetes thing works"

    we've discussed this before, type 1 is a different ballgame. you need to differentiate between the types



    type 1 ( aka " Juvenile Onset " ) = no insulin is produced by the Pancreas.

    type 2 ( aka Adult or Maturity Onset " ) = little or not enough insulin is produced in the Pancreas.


    type 1 can only be controlled by daily ( sometimes multiple ) insulin injections , diet , excercise, and close glucose testing and monitoring.

    type 2 cases vary, but mostly can be controlled by diet , pills, glucose testing and monitoring, .


    this is pretty much it all in laymans terms.


    Its difficult to say that high blood sugar can kill you ( instantly ) - anything even close to low blood sugar. ( Low can be lethal. Living with high blood sugar is also not a good thing- its a very fine line to try to keep up all the time- and alltho high blood sugar really couldnt kiil you- it can make you very sick ( once you start Keto- acidosis ) .

    Low Blood sugar can kill a diabetic person quickly, if it goes low ernough - while a good analogy with living with high blood sugar , repeatedly, is like building a home brick by brick year after year-and slowly - taking the toll on the body- can cause side effects from the Diabetes such as Blindness, Circulatory problems , Kidney Failure, Neuropathy ,and a lower immune system .


    hope this helps.
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  • PJPixiePJPixie Posts: 3,026
    Bathgate66 wrote:
    type 1 ( aka " Juvenile Onset " ) = no insulin is produced by the Pancreas.

    type 2 ( aka Adult or Maturity Onset " ) = little or not enough insulin is produced in the Pancreas.


    type 1 can only be controlled by daily ( sometimes multiple ) insulin injections , diet , excercise, and close glucose testing and monitoring.

    type 2 cases vary, but mostly can be controlled by diet , pills, glucose testing and monitoring, .


    this is pretty much it all in laymans terms.


    Its difficult to say that high blood sugar can kill you ( instantly ) - anything even close to low blood sugar. ( Low can be lethal. Living with high blood sugar is also not a good thing- its a very fine line to try to keep up all the time- and alltho high blood sugar really couldnt kiil you- it can make you very sick ( once you start Keto- acidosis ) .

    Low Blood sugar can kill a diabetic person quickly, if it goes low ernough - while a good analogy with living with high blood sugar , repeatedly, is like building a home brick by brick year after year-and slowly - taking the toll on the body- can cause side effects from the Diabetes such as Blindness, Circulatory problems , Kidney Failure, Neuropathy ,and a lower immune system .


    hope this helps.


    You're right, it is a very hard balance. I'm on an insulin pump and I wouldnt' trade it for the world. I've been on it for about 15 years. High Blood sugars are tricky. You feel thirsty and sluggish, but the overall effects come later in life.....poor circulation, vision problems etc. Low Blood sugars have immediate effects.....shaky, sketchy, drunk like. I have some dangerous lows so my doctor likes to keep my blood sugar at around 165-190, which seems a bit high but as soon as I drop to under 130 I get all the effects of low blood sugars. By the way, I think the normal blood sugar level (GLUCOSE) is somewhere between 80-120.

    I've been in Ketoacidosis quite a few times and it's horrible. I can't even explain how awful it is. Luckily , I don't think I've been in DKA since I've been on my insulin pump. Although my last A1C was 8.1
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