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seanw1010seanw1010 Posts: 1,205
edited June 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
i just watched the movie for the first time last week, and i was wondering if i should get the book? i enjoyed the movie too
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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    If you like to read and liked the movie then yes! I loved it as well as Silence of the Lambs. :)
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,561
    "you looked but did not see"

    Sorry im not very useful, just thought that was a cool line.

    IM sure the books are just as good.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ABSOLUTELY get the book. personally i avae 3 editions of it cause it has become over the past 20 years one of my favourite books. it is way better than either movie that was made from it. :)
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  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    I loved the book. Thought it was great. They also made a movie out of it back in the 80's with Peterson the guy who plays Grissom on CSI. They called it "Manhunter" though.
  • seanw1010seanw1010 Posts: 1,205
    cool, i guess ill get the book.
    i saw manhunter before i saw any other film from the series, and hated it. until last weekend, i was put off of all the hannibal series till silence of the lambs was on at like 12:30. i watched it, and really liked it. rented hannibal, was kind of dissappointed. rented red dragon, and now its probably in my top 5 favorite movies now. i dont think i want to see hannibal rising though, from what ive heard of it, it makes the whole thing look shitty. thanks for your input
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,063
    small town beck wrote:
    I loved the book. Thought it was great. They also made a movie out of it back in the 80's with Peterson the guy who plays Grissom on CSI. They called it "Manhunter" though.

    William Petersen is his name. I was gonna post this also. But then I had to go to the bathroom.
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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    seanw1010 wrote:
    cool, i guess ill get the book.
    i saw manhunter before i saw any other film from the series, and hated it. until last weekend, i was put off of all the hannibal series till silence of the lambs was on at like 12:30. i watched it, and really liked it. rented hannibal, was kind of dissappointed. rented red dragon, and now its probably in my top 5 favorite movies now. i dont think i want to see hannibal rising though, from what ive heard of it, it makes the whole thing look shitty. thanks for your input
    Agree, Hannibal was disappointing. The others aren't though. :)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    small town beck wrote:
    I loved the book. Thought it was great. They also made a movie out of it back in the 80's with Peterson the guy who plays Grissom on CSI. They called it "Manhunter" though.

    dont get me started on that suzi. such a michael mann film. it was atmosperic and so 80s. he does like things to look good if nothing else. i thought brian cox did a better job as lecture than hopkins did. but thats just my personal preference. hated the ending though. just as i hated the ending of the brett ratner red dragon. i dont know why they deviated from the book ending... it was so good and so in keeping with dollarhyde's m.o.. anyhoo did you know tom noonan, who played dollarhyde in manhunter, popped up in an episode of CSI. twas an ambiguous ending, which i loved. :)
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  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    catefrances wrote:
    dont get me started on that suzi. such a michael mann film. it was atmosperic and so 80s. he does like things to look good if nothing else. i thought brian cox did a better job as lecture than hopkins did. but thats just my personal preference. hated the ending though. just as i hated the ending of the brett ratner red dragon. i dont know why they deviated from the book ending... it was so good and so in keeping with dollarhyde's m.o.. anyhoo did you know tom noonan, who played dollarhyde in manhunter, popped up in an episode of CSI. twas an ambiguous ending, which i loved. :)

    I think I must have missed him on CSI... but that is cool. I hate, HATE it when they change the ending of a book when they make it into a movie. Pisses me off!! :mad: :D I liked seeing Ed Norton in it because I love him but now I am just wondering wtf he is doing as the Hulk??? :confused: but that is another thread.

    Yes after "The Silence Of the Lambs" or was it the next one I found the books went downhill... just my two cents though :)
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    small town beck wrote:
    I think I must have missed him on CSI... but that is cool. I hate, HATE it when they change the ending of a book when they make it into a movie. Pisses me off!! :mad: : D I liked seeing Ed Norton in it because I love him but now I am just wondering wtf he is doing as the Hulk??? :confused: but that is another thread.

    Yes after "The Silence Of the Lambs" or was it the next one I found the books went downhill... just my two cents though : )

    yes i love edward norton too. hwoever in red dragon i wasnt too keen on him. soemtimes he comes off as nervous and irritating in his work and that pisses me off. :D
    the ending where they basically go sailing off into the sunset make me cringe.
    oh oh and how about when they come to lecter at the end and mention some FBI agent wants to have an audience with him. i just about strangled soemone. i couldnt belive they did that. ridiculous.

    as for the hulk, i think maybe it needed his gravitas. marvel apparently werent especailly thilled with the ang lee film a few years back so they decided to remake it. they want it to be truer to the comics and the tv series. i hear robert downey jnr pops up in it in a cameo as ironman. im totally seeing it now. :D
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  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    catefrances wrote:
    yes i love edward norton too. hwoever in red dragon i wasnt too keen on him. soemtimes he comes off as nervous and irritating in his work and that pisses me off. :
    the ending where they basically go sailing off into the sunset make me cringe.
    oh oh and how about when they come to lecter at the end and mention some FBI agent wants to have an audience with him. i just about strangled soemone. i couldnt belive they did that. ridiculous.

    as for the hulk, i think maybe it needed his gravitas. marvel apparently werent especailly thilled with the ang lee film a few years back so they decided to remake it. they want it to be truer to the comics and the tv series. i hear robert downey jnr pops up in it in a cameo as ironman. im totally seeing it now. :D


    Norton was brilliant in Primal Fear and American History X and well alot more I realize :p What was the other movie.. was it Hannibal that the ending was totally changed??? I think it was. I stood up and said something at the end.. I really know how to impress my friends when we go out :eek: :p

    I have to see it for sure now too... I do think that the previews actually looked good so I except good things from Mr Norton :)
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    small town beck wrote:
    Norton was brilliant in Primal Fear and American History X and well alot more I realize :p What was the other movie.. was it Hannibal that the ending was totally changed??? I think it was. I stood up and said something at the end.. I really know how to impress my friends when we go out :eek: :p

    I have to see it for sure now too... I do think that the previews actually looked good so I except good things from Mr Norton :)

    *lets bow our heads and agree never to speak of keeping the faith*

    hannibal was subpar as both a book and a film imo. :)
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  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    catefrances wrote:
    *lets bow our heads and agree never to speak of keeping the faith*

    hannibal was subpar as both a book and a film imo. :)


    LMAO


    I think we should start doing "cate & suze do book and movie reviews" :D

    Yes Hannibal was the one after Silence correct?? Agreed not anywhere in the leagues of his previous works.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    small town beck wrote:
    LMAO


    I think we should start doing "cate & suze do book and movie reviews" :D

    Yes Hannibal was the one after Silence correct?? Agreed not anywhere in the leagues of his previous works.


    yes hannibal was after silence.

    oh i just got lydia lunch's paradoxia in the mail. though i think i should hold off on reviewing it for fear of damaging young impressionable minds and souls. :D
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    damn thats a great movie! edward norton, anthony hopkins and ralph fiennes are three of my favorites (fight club, schindlers list, meet joe black etc)...

    norton being in the new hulk movie is almost enough to make me want to go see it... though its still gonna be terrible (theres no way to make a good hulk movie! when will people understand! it was a shitty comic to being with!)

    and the ending of red dragon that ties it right into SOTL... WOAH! doesnt begin to compete with a human face skin mask though :D

    oh and to answer your question... yes read the book... harris' genious is only matched by hopkins' portrayal
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,063
    catefrances wrote:
    dont get me started on that suzi. such a michael mann film. it was atmosperic and so 80s. he does like things to look good if nothing else. i thought brian cox did a better job as lecture than hopkins did. but thats just my personal preference. hated the ending though. just as i hated the ending of the brett ratner red dragon. i dont know why they deviated from the book ending... it was so good and so in keeping with dollarhyde's m.o.. anyhoo did you know tom noonan, who played dollarhyde in manhunter, popped up in an episode of CSI. twas an ambiguous ending, which i loved. :)

    I liked Manhunter.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    sgossard3 wrote:
    and the ending of red dragon that ties it right into SOTL... WOAH! doesnt begin to compete with a human face skin mask though :D

    i found it gratuitous.
    twas like the mention of qui gon jinn to obi wan in revenge of the sith. unnecessary. :)
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    catefrances wrote:
    i found it gratuitous.
    twas like the mention of qui gon jinn to obi wan in revenge of the sith. unnecessary. :)
    eh yah... a little bit like mindless fan pandering... sortof like the ending of "batman begins"... but i thought it was a fun way to end it... made me wanna go straight home and watch SOTL!
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    igotid88 wrote:
    I liked Manhunter.

    yes, so did i. except for the ending of course which was crapola. it was a product of its time though. michael mann is one of my fave directors. and his films always look great. though im not sure if i can forgive him for miami vice the movie. :D
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,063
    catefrances wrote:
    as for the hulk, i think maybe it needed his gravitas. marvel apparently werent especailly thilled with the ang lee film a few years back so they decided to remake it. they want it to be truer to the comics and the tv series. i hear robert downey jnr pops up in it in a cameo as ironman. im totally seeing it now. :D

    I don't think he's going to be in uniform. Next year it's Capt. America. Then Thor. Followed by an Avengers movie.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    sgossard3 wrote:
    eh yah... a little bit like mindless fan pandering... sortof like the ending of "batman begins"... but i thought it was a fun way to end it... made me wanna go straight home and watch SOTL!


    im biased cause the book is such a fave with me. and i hate dumbing down.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    igotid88 wrote:
    I don't think he's going to be in uniform. Next year it's Capt. America. Then Thor. Followed by an Avengers movie.

    explain please. uniform???
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,063
    catefrances wrote:
    explain please. uniform???

    Iron Man suit. He's just going to be Stark. In the Hannibal book. Did Clarice become a cannibal?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    igotid88 wrote:
    Iron Man suit. He's just going to be Stark.

    well thats cool. it would be kinda odd for ironman to come face to face with the hulk. :D plus just stark will be better cause only the cogniscenti will get it. yes yes im a snob for that kind of shit. :)
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    igotid88 wrote:
    Iron Man suit. He's just going to be Stark.
    i thought i saw a short clip of stark in a hulk preview today on TV... thought they had just merged both trailers together to pitch em both at the same time... this is a pretty sweet reason to see hulk though... unless its done in a really cheesy way... im guessing itll be after the credits like the end of iron man with fury

    im pretty excited about the upcoming flash and thor movies... and of course dark knight (but that goes without saying)

    *this thread has gotten really off topic... sorry :D
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    sgossard3 wrote:
    i thought i saw a short clip of stark in a hulk preview today on TV... thought they had just merged both trailers together to pitch em both at the same time... this is a pretty sweet reason to see hulk though... unless its done in a really cheesy way... im guessing itll be after the credits like the end of iron man with fury

    im pretty excited about the upcoming flash and thor movies... and of course dark knight (but that goes without saying)

    *this thread has gotten really off topic... sorry :D

    well the common thread is edward norton. ;):)


    i too am busting for the dark knight. it will be bittersweet.

    p.s. christian bale bugs me.
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    catefrances wrote:
    p.s. christian bale bugs me.
    oh geez!

    ive loved him since the newsies

    "SANTA FE!" :D

    seriously though he is one of the most dedicated actors of this generation... have you seen "the machinist"?!? or the more recent one where he is a P.O.W.? he changes his weight like CRAZY just for roles... not to mention he was perfect for "american psycho"... definitely one of my favorite actors right now... must be selective with the roles he takes cause i dont see enough of him
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    sgossard3 wrote:
    oh geez!

    ive loved him since the newsies

    "SANTA FE!" :D

    seriously though he is one of the most dedicated actors of this generation... have you seen "the machinist"?!? or the more reason one where he is a P.O.W.? he changes his weight like CRAZY just for roles... not to mention he was perfect for "american psycho"... definitely one of my favorite actors right now... must be selective with the roles he takes cause i dont see enough of him

    im not doubting his talent. :)
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