Charles Bukowski

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited September 2009 in All Encompassing Trip
Anyone else a fan?

One of my all-time hero's.

By the way....I'm very drunk. But at least I spelled the fuckers name right.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    I'm a fan of Ham on Rye, not read anything else apart from a few poems.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Don't know his stuff but I'm a fan of the Modest Mouse song.

    Woke up this morning and it seemed to me,
    that every night turns out to be
    A little more like Bukowski.
    And yeah, I know he's a pretty good read.
    But God who'd wanna be?
    God who'd wanna be such an asshole?
    God who'd wanna be?
    God who'd wanna be such an asshole?

    Well we sat on the edge of the river,
    the crowd screamed, "Sacrifice the liver!"
    If God takes life, he's an Indian giver.
    So tell me now why, you'll tell me never.
    Who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?
    Well who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?

    Well see what you wanna see. You should see it all.
    Well take what you want from me. You deserve it all.
    Nine times out of ten our hearts just get dissolved.
    Well I want a better place or just a better way to fall.

    But one time out of ten, everything is perfect for us all.
    Well I want a better place or just a better way to fall.
    Here we go!

    If God controls the land and disease,
    keeps a watchful eye on me,
    If he's really so damn mighty,
    my problem is I can't see,
    well who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?
    Well who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?

    Evil home stereo, what good songs do you know?
    Evil me, oh yeah I know, what good curves can you throw?

    Well all that icing and all that cake,
    I can't make it to your wedding, but I'm sure I'll be at your wake.
    You were talk, talk, talk, talkin' in circles that day,
    when you get to the point make sure that I'm still awake, OK?

    Went to bed and didn't see
    why every day turns out to be
    a little bit more like Bukowski.
    And yeah, I know he's a pretty good read.
    But God who'd wanna be?
    God who'd wanna be such an asshole?
    "The sun is shining, but not for me."
  • drivingrldrivingrl Posts: 1,448
    At first I thought the title was "Charles Bartowski". :(

    Charles Bartowski will do, too. Meow!
    drivingrl: "Will I ever get to meet Gwen Stefani?"
    kevinbeetle: "Yes. When her career washes up and her and Gavin move to Galveston, you will meet her at Hot Topic shopping for a Japanese cheerleader outfit.

    Next!"
  • Yeah I'm a big fan, read quite a bit of his stuff.
    Astoria 20/04/06, Leeds 25/08/06, Prague 22/09/06, Wembley 18/06/07,
    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
  • hell yes.

    just released a great collection titled, Pleasures of the Damned. it's sort of a greatest hits collection.

    i have a ton of favorites from him....Notes of a Dirty Old Man is probably at the top, as far as writing collections go. And I'd call Women my favorite Buk novel.

    as far as individual poems...i give you, Dinosauria, We:

    born like this
    into this
    as the chalk faces smile
    as Mrs. Death laughs
    as the elevators break
    as political landscapes dissolve
    as the supermarket bag boy holds a college degree
    as the oily fish spit out their oily prey
    as the sun is masked

    we are
    born like this
    into this
    into these carefully mad wars
    into the sight of broken factory windows of emptiness
    into bars where people no longer speak to each other
    into fist fights that end as shootings and knifings

    born into this
    into hospitals which are so expensive that it's cheaper to die
    into lawyers who charge so much it's cheaper to plead guilty
    into a country where the jails are full and the madhouses closed
    into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes

    born into this
    walking and living through this
    dying because of this
    muted because of this
    castrated
    debauched
    disinherited
    because of this
    fooled by this
    used by this
    pissed on by this
    made crazy and sick by this
    made violent
    made inhuman
    by this

    the heart is blackened
    the fingers reach for the throat
    the gun
    the knife
    the bomb
    the fingers reach toward an unresponsive god

    the fingers reach for the bottle
    the pill
    the powder

    we are born into this sorrowful deadliness
    we are born into a government 60 years in debt
    that soon will be unable to even pay the interest on that debt
    and the banks will burn
    money will be useless
    there will be open and unpunished murder in the streets
    it will be guns and roving mobs
    land will be useless
    food will become a diminishing return
    nuclear power will be taken over by the many
    explosions will continually shake the earth
    radiated robot men will stalk each other
    the rich and the chosen will watch from space platforms
    Dante's Inferno will be made to look like a children's playground

    the sun will not be seen and it will always be night
    trees will die
    all vegetation will die
    radiated men will eat the flesh of radiated men
    the sea will be poisoned
    the lakes and rivers will vanish
    rain will be the new gold

    the rotting bodies of men and animals will stink in the dark wind

    the last few survivors will be overtaken by new and hideous diseases

    and the space platforms will be destroyed by attrition
    the petering out of supplies
    the natural effect of general decay

    and there will be the most beautiful silence never heard

    born out of that

    the sun still hidden there

    awaiting the next chapter

    -Charles Bukowski, from The Last Night of the Earth Poems, 1992
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • I've read a couple of his books. I like them but I wouldn't say I'm a fan. I think they're more for men. :o
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    I've read a couple of his books. I like them but I wouldn't say I'm a fan. I think they're more for men. :o
    Bukowski's definitely kind of like that. I would normally say that the idea of a book being for men is silly but for writer's like him and Hemingway, they really are full of macho posturing and I can imagine women, and definitely some men (me for one) who aren't like that, being a bit alienated by them.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Bukowski's definitely kind of like that. I would normally say that the idea of a book being for men is silly but for writer's like him and Hemingway, they really are full of macho posturing and I can imagine women, and definitely some men (me for one) who aren't like that, being a bit alienated by them.

    I understand he's making a point about what a cruel miserable world he was brought up in, and it's truthful but I, erm, get a bit tired of reading him calling women whores and such.
  • I understand he's making a point about what a cruel miserable world he was brought up in, and it's truthful but I, erm, get a bit tired of reading him calling women whores and such.

    he was a lot deeper than that...read more.
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • long red wrote:
    he was a lot deeper than that...read more.

    Read what I just wrote!
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    I understand he's making a point about what a cruel miserable world he was brought up in, and it's truthful but I, erm, get a bit tired of reading him calling women whores and such.
    :) I can imagine
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Your life is your life
    don't let it be clubbed into dank submission.
    be on the watch.
    there are ways out.
    there is a light somewhere.
    it may not be much light but
    it beats darkness.
    be on the watch.
    the gods offer you chances.
    know them.
    take them.
    you can't beat death but
    you can beat death in life, sometimes.
    and the more often you learn to do it,
    the more light there will be.
    your life is your life.
    know life is your life.
    know it while you have it.
    you are marvelous
    the gods wait to delight
    in you.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Anyone else a fan?

    One of my all-time hero's.

    By the way....I'm very drunk. But at least I spelled the fuckers name right.

    and how apt that you are drunk. :D and yes im a fan... of bukowski.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    After some John Fante novels someone gave me Ham on Rye a few years back, read the first couple of pages and decided on another. It's still waiting.
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Anyone else a fan?

    One of my all-time hero's.

    By the way....I'm very drunk. But at least I spelled the fuckers name right.


    Definately one of my favorites. I went to a college with quite a few uber fundamentalists, so I used his stuff a lot in my forensic classes.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    elmer wrote:
    After some John Fante novels someone gave me Ham on Rye a few years back, read the first couple of pages and decided on another. It's still waiting.

    It's still waiting for what?
  • elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    Byrnzie wrote:
    It's still waiting for what?
    To be taken down from the shelf and nestle cosily in my hands.

    Actually I heard some guy from Lock,Stock whatever on Newsnight Review (exciting Friday night that one) once saying how Bukowski was his favourite author. This guy I didn't like, guess it fixed a negative impression in my mind straight away, he mentioned Irvine Welsh also.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    elmer wrote:
    To be taken down from the shelf and nestle cosily in my hands.

    Actually I heard some guy from Lock,Stock whatever on Newsnight Review (exciting Friday night that one) once saying how Bukowski was his favourite author. This guy I didn't like, guess it fixed a negative impression in my mind straight away, he mentioned Irvine Welsh also.

    If you're gonna read Bukowski's novels I recommend Post Office, although I prefer his poems.
  • sounds like that guy likes books on a very superficial level to me.

    I started with a collection of short stories. and never looked back. He is hilarious, heart breaking and gritty, in the most beautiful way.

    One of my fave Bukowski Poems, esp if you think he is a misogynist, think again.






    << prev. poem Poems by Charles Bukowski: 36 / 136 next poem >>


    For Jane: With All the Love I Had, Which Was Not Enough:

    I pick up the skirt,
    I pick up the sparkling beads
    in black,
    this thing that moved once
    around flesh,
    and I call God a liar,
    I say anything that moved
    like that
    or knew
    my name
    could never die
    in the common verity of dying,
    and I pick
    up her lovely
    dress,
    all her loveliness gone,
    and I speak to all the gods,
    Jewish gods, Christ-gods,
    chips of blinking things,
    idols, pills, bread,
    fathoms, risks,
    knowledgeable surrender,
    rats in the gravy of two gone quite mad
    without a chance,
    hummingbird knowledge, hummingbird chance,
    I lean upon this,
    I lean on all of this
    and I know
    her dress upon my arm
    but
    they will not
    give her back to me.

    Charles Bukowski
  • elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    sounds like that guy likes books on a very superficial level to me.
    Not at all, I always have a stack of unread's and mull briefly over which I'm to pick up next. Just looking to explain why I haven't yet read Ham on Rye, no great explanation but I don't just randomly pull the next book down, could even develop into an OCD the way I ponder over and reorganise the unread pile.
  • I'm a fan, yet I can't usually can't stand anyone else who is haha.
  • One of my favorite's.....Im all grown up now with kids and hardly anytime to read,.....but I always make dinner reservations under the name Henry Chinaski!!!
  • One of my favorite's.....Im all grown up now with kids and hardly anytime to read,.....but I always make dinner reservations under the name Henry Chinaski!!!

    I was sat next to a Mr. Hornby in a pub/restaurant once. I always wondered if it was Nick Hornby? :eek: The pictures I saw looked similar.
  • AllIAmAllIAm Posts: 1,309
    sounds like that guy likes books on a very superficial level to me.

    I started with a collection of short stories. and never looked back. He is hilarious, heart breaking and gritty, in the most beautiful way.

    One of my fave Bukowski Poems, esp if you think he is a misogynist, think again.






    << prev. poem Poems by Charles Bukowski: 36 / 136 next poem >>


    For Jane: With All the Love I Had, Which Was Not Enough:

    I pick up the skirt,
    I pick up the sparkling beads
    in black,
    this thing that moved once
    around flesh,
    and I call God a liar,
    I say anything that moved
    like that
    or knew
    my name
    could never die
    in the common verity of dying,
    and I pick
    up her lovely
    dress,
    all her loveliness gone,
    and I speak to all the gods,
    Jewish gods, Christ-gods,
    chips of blinking things,
    idols, pills, bread,
    fathoms, risks,
    knowledgeable surrender,
    rats in the gravy of two gone quite mad
    without a chance,
    hummingbird knowledge, hummingbird chance,
    I lean upon this,
    I lean on all of this
    and I know
    her dress upon my arm
    but
    they will not
    give her back to me.

    Charles Bukowski

    wow i adore this! i was never offended by the content of his stories.. i just didnt much care for the stream of conciousness, tell you everything that has happened sort of story. but his books are the kind that i reflect on and love more and more..
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Don't know his stuff but I'm a fan of the Modest Mouse song.

    Woke up this morning and it seemed to me,
    that every night turns out to be
    A little more like Bukowski.
    And yeah, I know he's a pretty good read.
    But God who'd wanna be?
    God who'd wanna be such an asshole?
    God who'd wanna be?
    God who'd wanna be such an asshole?

    Well we sat on the edge of the river,
    the crowd screamed, "Sacrifice the liver!"
    If God takes life, he's an Indian giver.
    So tell me now why, you'll tell me never.
    Who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?
    Well who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?

    Well see what you wanna see. You should see it all.
    Well take what you want from me. You deserve it all.
    Nine times out of ten our hearts just get dissolved.
    Well I want a better place or just a better way to fall.

    But one time out of ten, everything is perfect for us all.
    Well I want a better place or just a better way to fall.
    Here we go!

    If God controls the land and disease,
    keeps a watchful eye on me,
    If he's really so damn mighty,
    my problem is I can't see,
    well who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?
    Well who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?

    Evil home stereo, what good songs do you know?
    Evil me, oh yeah I know, what good curves can you throw?

    Well all that icing and all that cake,
    I can't make it to your wedding, but I'm sure I'll be at your wake.
    You were talk, talk, talk, talkin' in circles that day,
    when you get to the point make sure that I'm still awake, OK?

    Went to bed and didn't see
    why every day turns out to be
    a little bit more like Bukowski.
    And yeah, I know he's a pretty good read.
    But God who'd wanna be?
    God who'd wanna be such an asshole?


    this is a great song!
  • stargirl69stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    Read all of Bukowski in my 20's.Liked his short stories and poetry best.Havn't read his stuff for years.I loaned most of my collection to someone I thought was a friend,he buggered off with them and I never got them back.Only replaced a few from what was a full collection.
    “There should be a place where only the things you want to happen, happen”
  • ouch, they would be on my 'i'll pop u off if i have three months to live' list.


    Elmer, I didnt mean you, I meant the Lock Stock guy! I always start books and leave them, i'm like a magpie..
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,649
    I read a lot of his stuff in the 90s...it was cool to live a decadent lifestyle surreptitiously thru him!

    I could never see myself living at a flophouse hotel in downtown L.A., but I enjoyed reading about it!

    He spent a lot of time at the L.A. area racetracks...would been cool to see him there!
  • you can't really live in Southern California without reading Bukowski...unless of course you are Bukowski-esque. in which case reading about it would be redundant.

    in other words. I love Poetry, and Poets, and crumbly people.

    and therefore I love Bukowski.
    :)

    lots. :cool:
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,649
    you can't really live in Southern California without reading Bukowski...unless of course you are Bukowski-esque. in which case reading about it would be redundant.

    in other words. I love Poetry, and Poets, and crumbly people.

    and therefore I love Bukowski.
    :)

    lots. :cool:

    have you ever read Jim Carroll?

    He is like the NYC version!
    :)
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