I am so sick of this Arlen Spector crap

Pearls&Stones

Ok, enough is enough.

Arlen Spector said there should be an investigation into Spygate similar to the Mitchell Report in baseball. What a jackass.

Hey Arlen (no proper greetings for this tool), thanks for wasting our time and tax dollars. The Mitchell Report may lead to lots of young kids not taking steroids to get ahead in sports. Like the report or not, at least it got that.

What benefit to the American public does this stupid Spygate thing provide? The Pats cheated, the NFL's punishment was a bit light. Big whoop. Is that even a light form of fraud? If a team was charging fans big money and throwing games, then its fraud. If the league was fixing games, then it is fraud. That is fine. But where is the line between the Pats impropriety and, say, a team stealing signals in baseball? When will Congress investigate that? I go to about 10 baseball games per year, where is my representation?

Thanks for wasting our time and money, with so many other issues at hand, you tool.

pearljammin41

agreed completely

Drop The Leash 10

Pearls&Stones wrote:

Ok, enough is enough.

Arlen Spector said there should be an investigation into Spygate similar to the Mitchell Report in baseball. What a jackass.

Hey Arlen (no proper greetings for this tool), thanks for wasting our time and tax dollars. The Mitchell Report may lead to lots of young kids not taking steroids to get ahead in sports. Like the report or not, at least it got that.

What benefit to the American public does this stupid Spygate thing provide? The Pats cheated, the NFL's punishment was a bit light. Big whoop. Is that even a light form of fraud? If a team was charging fans big money and throwing games, then its fraud. If the league was fixing games, then it is fraud. That is fine. But where is the line between the Pats impropriety and, say, a team stealing signals in baseball? When will Congress investigate that? I go to about 10 baseball games per year, where is my representation?

Thanks for wasting our time and money, with so many other issues at hand, you tool.

thanks you. i was waiting for this. its not a big deal.

Ledbetterman10

Pearls&Stones wrote:

Ok, enough is enough.

Arlen Spector said there should be an investigation into Spygate similar to the Mitchell Report in baseball. What a jackass.

Hey Arlen (no proper greetings for this tool), thanks for wasting our time and tax dollars. The Mitchell Report may lead to lots of young kids not taking steroids to get ahead in sports. Like the report or not, at least it got that.

What benefit to the American public does this stupid Spygate thing provide? The Pats cheated, the NFL's punishment was a bit light. Big whoop. Is that even a light form of fraud? If a team was charging fans big money and throwing games, then its fraud. If the league was fixing games, then it is fraud. That is fine. But where is the line between the Pats impropriety and, say, a team stealing signals in baseball? When will Congress investigate that? I go to about 10 baseball games per year, where is my representation?

Thanks for wasting our time and money, with so many other issues at hand, you tool.

yeah I have to agree. though I've never liked Spector, I actually liked how he took on this issue. the whole thing was pretty shady; Goodell destroying the tapes. Goodell seemed like he was trying to cover something up. and since there's no one in the NFL above him, it was nice to see Spector questioning what he was up to.

that being said, Spector has to give it up now. he got his one on one meeting with Goodell. he got to meet with Matt Walsh. the Pats have been humiliated. their super bowl seasons will always have a black cloud over them. it's over. they cheated. fine, we know that now. big deal. life goes on.

stylo17

just to quote my father on this, "Specter's an ass."

butterfly1

Me too--he is officially over the top now. Its over, no one cares anymore, not the league, the fans or the media. When Arlen figures out that last part, he'll come to his senses.

Ledbetterman10

stylo17 wrote:

just to quote my father on this, "Specter's an ass."

now see even the most seasoned debater would have no rebuttal for this

PearlJamaholic

also agreed. but even looking at the mlb steroid thing, i think there is far better ways for congress to spend their time then that too. sports are just a game.

markymark550

He's gotta get his 15 minutes of fame somehow....although he might be past 15 now...

markymark550

PearlJamaholic wrote:

also agreed. but even looking at the mlb steroid thing, i think there is far better ways for congress to spend their time then that too. sports are just a game.

True, Congress does have better ways to spend their time. If antitrust issues weren't involved, they wouldn't even have a legitimate say in either league's affairs. But, since Congress has granted exemptions, they do need to at least partially patrol those exempted organizations.

Dissidentman

I think the Mitchell report was paid for by MLB, and Mitchell is an Ex-senator, so our tax dollars didn't go into it like they would for this spygate business.


I just want to know what laws were broken. At least in baseball, they caught people taking steroids - which is illegal.

markymark550

dissidentman wrote:

I think the Mitchell report was paid for by MLB, and Mitchell is an Ex-senator, so our tax dollars didn't go into it like they would for this spygate business.

Weren't 11 people subpoenad by Congress and didn't they have to give their testimony and answer Congress' questions?

The Mitchell Report was funded by MLB, but only after the congressional hearings and the book 'Game of Shadows' was released that further implied that steroid use and abuse was rampant in MLB.

Dissidentman

markymark550 wrote:

Weren't 11 people subpoenad by Congress and didn't they have to give their testimony and answer Congress' questions?

The Mitchell Report was funded by MLB, but only after the congressional hearings and the book 'Game of Shadows' was released that further implied that steroid use and abuse was rampant in MLB.

I believe so, but that was as a result of the private investigation paid for by MLB. I'm no expert by any means, just spouting what I've heard from other sources.

markymark550

dissidentman wrote:

I believe so, but that was as a result of the private investigation paid for by MLB. I'm no expert by any means, just spouting what I've heard from other sources.

The Congressional hearing was March 17, 2005

Mitchell was appointed by Selig to start his investigation on March 30, 2006 over a full year after the Congressional hearing.

Dissidentman

markymark550 wrote:

The Congressional hearing was March 17, 2005

Mitchell was appointed by Selig to start his investigation on March 30, 2006 over a full year after the Congressional hearing.

my bad then.

ringo

What a load of crap. Our gov't hard at work for it's people once again.

What are they going to do for me when I can't afford to drive to work or heat my home? Nothing.

But we must find out who's "cheating" in the NFL.

I hate this fucking country!

markymark550

dissidentman wrote:

my bad then.

It's ok, I mix events and dates up all the time...


Back to Spector...just looked up some info on him and found this isn't his first issue with the NFL as a Senator. In 2005 he wanted the Eagles and the NFL investigated for how they handled the TO situation. In 2007 he wanted to repeal the law that allows the NFL to sign TV contracts on behalf of all 32 teams. Also, this year he wanted to get religious organizations declared exempt from NFL copyright laws. I had no idea he tried to do those things. It would seem he's out to get the NFL for anything that he can, but then you see that he's received over $150,000 in campaign donations from Comcast (who has a dispute with the NFL over TV rights) and it all makes sense. He's just gotta keep those dollars coming in.

Dissidentman

markymark550 wrote:

It's ok, I mix events and dates up all the time...


Back to Spector...just looked up some info on him and found this isn't his first issue with the NFL as a Senator. In 2005 he wanted the Eagles and the NFL investigated for how they handled the TO situation. In 2007 he wanted to repeal the law that allows the NFL to sign TV contracts on behalf of all 32 teams. Also, this year he wanted to get religious organizations declared exempt from NFL copyright laws. I had no idea he tried to do those things. It would seem he's out to get the NFL for anything that he can, but then you see that he's received over $150,000 in campaign donations from Comcast (who has a dispute with the NFL over TV rights) and it all makes sense. He's just gotta keep those dollars coming in.

At the end of the day it's always about money, and not the "common good"

chromiam

markymark550 wrote:

It's ok, I mix events and dates up all the time...


Back to Spector...just looked up some info on him and found this isn't his first issue with the NFL as a Senator. In 2005 he wanted the Eagles and the NFL investigated for how they handled the TO situation. In 2007 he wanted to repeal the law that allows the NFL to sign TV contracts on behalf of all 32 teams. Also, this year he wanted to get religious organizations declared exempt from NFL copyright laws. I had no idea he tried to do those things. It would seem he's out to get the NFL for anything that he can, but then you see that he's received over $150,000 in campaign donations from Comcast (who has a dispute with the NFL over TV rights) and it all makes sense. He's just gotta keep those dollars coming in.

He's looked into those issues because of the anti-trust exemptions which the government granted to the NFL. Did you ask why he wanted religious organizations exempt from NFL copyright laws??? Because the NFL was threatening them with lawsuits for advertising Super Bowl parties.... yeah seems to me like he did that for Comcast....

kh65

This has nothing to do with anything but him putting his big fat face in front of TV cameras. Politicians are attracted to TV cameras like ants to honey. And what constitutes this as a "gate". The press has to turn every fucking little thing into some big controversay instead of worrying about the big problems. Like why does Al Gore get a Nobel Prize, there has to be some story there. Who the fuck died and made Al God?

Rant over.

markymark550

chromiam wrote:

He's looked into those issues because of the anti-trust exemptions which the government granted to the NFL. Did you ask why he wanted religious organizations exempt from NFL copyright laws??? Because the NFL was threatening them with lawsuits for advertising Super Bowl parties.... yeah seems to me like he did that for Comcast....

Please tell me how the handling of the TO situation possibly violated an anti-trust exemption?

I'll grant you that the religious organization and copyright thing doesn't really belong in this discussion, I was just highlighting another incident where he's had issue with the league.

Wanting to repeal the law about letting the NFL sign TV contracts on behalf of all 32 teams has Comcast written all over it. Understandably, Comcast wants a share of the NFL TV market. Why wouldn't they call in on their campaign donations when things didn't turn out how they wanted?

pjhawks

markymark550 wrote:

It's ok, I mix events and dates up all the time...


Back to Spector...just looked up some info on him and found this isn't his first issue with the NFL as a Senator. In 2005 he wanted the Eagles and the NFL investigated for how they handled the TO situation. In 2007 he wanted to repeal the law that allows the NFL to sign TV contracts on behalf of all 32 teams. Also, this year he wanted to get religious organizations declared exempt from NFL copyright laws. I had no idea he tried to do those things. It would seem he's out to get the NFL for anything that he can, but then you see that he's received over $150,000 in campaign donations from Comcast (who has a dispute with the NFL over TV rights) and it all makes sense. He's just gotta keep those dollars coming in.

he is also the dbag that came up with the 'single bullet theory' of the Kennedy assassination so his head has been up his ass for over 40 years.

chromiam

markymark550 wrote:

Please tell me how the handling of the TO situation possibly violated an anti-trust exemption?

I'll grant you that the religious organization and copyright thing doesn't really belong in this discussion, I was just highlighting another incident where he's had issue with the league.

Wanting to repeal the law about letting the NFL sign TV contracts on behalf of all 32 teams has Comcast written all over it. Understandably, Comcast wants a share of the NFL TV market. Why wouldn't they call in on their campaign donations when things didn't turn out how they wanted?

He wanted to TO situation investigated to see if the Eagles and NFL were conspiring to keep TO from playing football and earning a livelyhood..... do I agree with it?? no but I can understand the need for it when a governmentally exempt company is keeping an employee from doing their job.

As for the TV contract thing, it could be a Comcast thing but wouldn't it be nice to know that EVERY game your team plays will be locally broadcast, whether or not you sold enough tickets or happen to play on a Thurs night late in the season.

markymark550

chromiam wrote:

He wanted to TO situation investigated to see if the Eagles and NFL were conspiring to keep TO from playing football and earning a livelyhood..... do I agree with it?? no but I can understand the need for it when a governmentally exempt company is keeping an employee from doing their job.

As for the TV contract thing, it could be a Comcast thing but wouldn't it be nice to know that EVERY game your team plays will be locally broadcast, whether or not you sold enough tickets or happen to play on a Thurs night late in the season.

Wtih TO, after his suspension he was deactivated, but with pay, so any argument about keeping him from earning a living didn't hold any merit. They might have kept TO from playing the rest of that year, but shouldn't organizations, even governmentally exempt organizations, be able to discipline their players in a manner that is ok within the laws of Congress and within the bylaws of the organization? He was just raising a big stink about nothing.

Sure it would be nice if every team's game was broadcast locally and/or nationally, but since the law is already in place, don't you think the legality and anti-trust issues would have been discussed/debated during the law's creation? Again, he was just making a big stink of it, but in this case I think it was backed by Comcast...maybe not directly by them, but I'm sure he knows how to thank his supporters. If he could have won that, I'm sure he realizes how much their contributions would grow.

markymark550

but regardless, it all has become over-exhausted and tiresome to continue to read/hear about it all the time

chromiam

markymark550 wrote:

but regardless, it all has become over-exhausted and tiresome to continue to read/hear about it all the time

agreed...