Waiters: How much do you tip out?

MahoganySouls

prism wrote:

just a thought; if a server is going to make the same wage wether they give you fast, friendly, excellent service or slow, unfriendly, crappy service where does the server get the incentive to give anyone the former instead of the latter?

See thats the problem. In dining, you are expected to give a 15-20% tip. In many restaurants now they even put the gratuity on the bill before you pay. So you have little choice in the matter anyways. You could get utterly shit service and still be charged a gratuity of 20%. Doesn't seem fair to me.

BinGnarly

I got tipped out 25 dollars tonight. I'm a bar back.

Just thought id share.

MahoganySouls

BinGnarly wrote:

I got tipped out 25 dollars tonight. I'm a bar back.

Just thought id share.

what is a bar back?
how many hours did you work?

South of Seattle

MahoganySouls wrote:

You could get utterly shit service and still be charged a gratuity of 20%. Doesn't seem fair to me.

This is true and I agree with that. I believe this was mostly done because customers were not tipping properly in the 1st place.

prism

MahoganySouls wrote:

See thats the problem. In dining, you are expected to give a 15-20% tip. In many restaurants now they even put the gratuity on the bill before you pay. So you have little choice in the matter anyways. You could get utterly shit service and still be charged a gratuity of 20%. Doesn't seem fair to me.

sure you have a choice. if the service is bad then don't tip as much. if the resturant puts the gratuity on the bill, don't eat there.

seriously, if tipping is such a hardship for you then stay at home for all of your meals.

MahoganySouls

prism wrote:

sure you have a choice. if the service is bad then don't tip as much. if the resturant puts the gratuity on the bill, don't eat there.

seriously, if tipping is such a hardship for you then stay at home for all of your meals.

Prism you make the worst attempts at insults.

Nowhere did I say tipping was a hardship. Rather, I said tipping was a rediculous practice.

MahoganySouls

South of Seattle wrote:

This is true and I agree with that. I believe this was mostly done because customers were not tipping properly in the 1st place.

Or from the other perspective, the restaurant was not paying its employees properly in the first place.

Do you know in Europe tipping is not expected and rarely done. Yet service there is usually exceptional. They stive to please the customer. How can this be? Because the employees are well paid by the business owners and propriety is held in high esteem.

South of Seattle

MahoganySouls wrote:

Or from the other perspective, the restaurant was not paying its employees properly in the first place.

Do you know in Europe tipping is not expected and rarely done. Yet service there is usually exceptional. They stive to please the customer. How can this be? Because the employees are well paid by the business owners and propriety is held in high esteem.

Tipping is also becoming acceptable in Europe these days. So do you think that these business owners aren't going to notice that and take certain monies and benefits from the employee?

audiodave

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Do you know how much UK waiters make per hour (pre-tip)?

Usually between £4 and £7, or there abouts. (About $8 - $14)

FinsburyParkCarrots

audiodave wrote:

Tipping isn't such a big deal over here in the UK. People usually leave 10%, but it's very rare that I eat out. It makes me uncomfortable to be waited on after so many years of waiting on people.

There seems to be a self-aggrandising tendency among US restaurant goers, I notice: to be openly boastful about how altruistic one is in tipping is often really a sly way of intimidating other people, by bragging about the size of one's expendible income. It's a barse ackwards version of the "My wife and I couldn't noticing that we are considerably richer than you" restaurant sketch from a few years back.

dunkman

MahoganySouls wrote:

Do you know in Europe tipping is not expected and rarely done. Yet service there is usually exceptional. They stive to please the customer. How can this be? Because the employees are well paid by the business owners and propriety is held in high esteem.

this is true


i dont get the US system at all... people dont tip shoe salesmen, dentists, airline hostesses, bus drivers... all service staff... all paid a decent wage and dont have to rely on tips... i just dont get it? meals in the US cost roughly the same as here in Scotland and yet our staff are getting roughly $10 an hour minimum wage... thats regardless of whether its busy or quiet for that hour... its a stupid system

and whoever paid out $64 on tips is either a show-off with their money or has the brain of a slightly retarted spider.

FinsburyParkCarrots

dunkman wrote:

meals in the US cost roughly the same as here in Scotland and yet our staff are getting roughly $10 an hour minimum wage... thats regardless of whether its busy or quiet for that hour... its a stupid system

You're not going to tip some cunt for making you a deep fried Mars bar though, are ya?

dunkman

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

You're not going to tip some cunt for making you a deep fried Mars bar though, are ya?

fuck off and eat tatties ya peasant

FinsburyParkCarrots

dunkman wrote:

fuck off and eat tatties ya peasant

At least when ya eat fried 'tatties, they're not stuck all over your missus's boobies the next morning.

Songburst

MahoganySouls wrote:

Or from the other perspective, the restaurant was not paying its employees properly in the first place.

Do you know in Europe tipping is not expected and rarely done. Yet service there is usually exceptional. They stive to please the customer. How can this be? Because the employees are well paid by the business owners and propriety is held in high esteem.

I thought that there were places in Europe where the staff worked solely on tips.

dunkman

Songburst wrote:

I thought that there were places in Europe where the staff worked solely on tips.

yes.. its called Imaginaryland and they get paid in strippers

p.s. your signature is brilliant

Heineken Helen

Derrick wrote:

I've also heard that wait-service is noticably worse in Europe, particulary Paris, where the wait staff apparently feel like it is your privilege to even talk to them.

Of course, that's a second hand story, so take it with a grain of salt. In Canada, I rarely run into poor waitstaff...maybe once every 20 or 30 times.

EVERYTHING'S worse in Paris

For the record, the few times I've been to the states I've had decent (high range) to ridiculously bad service compared to what we're used to here. The service here compared to the states ranges from good (what we'd consider bad) to exceptional. The only cases where you'd have bad service are usually eastern europeans on minimum wage.

Heineken Helen

South of Seattle wrote:

Isn't this what makes a business successful?

Why would anyone open a restaurant to break even? It's not like it's a non-profit organization?

Simple solution, Don't eat out.

this conversation again

Over here, restaurant owners pay their employees... we pay for our meals... and yet I don't find eating out here that much more expensive than anywhere else... if you take cost of living into account it's probably even cheaper than the states :eek: . And yet they make a perfectly wonderful profit If they didn't there'd BE no restaurants.

Heineken Helen

prism wrote:

just a thought; if a server is going to make the same wage wether they give you fast, friendly, excellent service or slow, unfriendly, crappy service where does the server get the incentive to give anyone the former instead of the latter?

cos it's your JOB. If you're slow, unfriendly and crap here... you're no good to anyone so you have to go find another job and don't get any pay... same thing.

dunkman

prism wrote:

just a thought; if a server is going to make the same wage wether they give you fast, friendly, excellent service or slow, unfriendly, crappy service where does the server get the incentive to give anyone the former instead of the latter?

same as a dentist, bus driver, shoe salesperson, air hostess, etc etc... i think its called 'professional pride'

i want the same level of service from anyone regardless if they get paid shit or not.. not my problem... they should have listened at school.... i dont tip my dentist, i've never tipped an air hostess who served me a meal.... so why tip people? I think Finsy said it best back in this thread... its self-aggrandising... its the american way.. lets flash cash around and whats more we'll flash it most to the people who get paid the least to let them know we earn more than them and that they should smile at me so i will bestow an extra $5 dollars on them.

its almost prostitution