Do you know in Europe tipping is not expected and rarely done. Yet service there is usually exceptional. They stive to please the customer. How can this be? Because the employees are well paid by the business owners and propriety is held in high esteem.
this is true
i dont get the US system at all... people dont tip shoe salesmen, dentists, airline hostesses, bus drivers... all service staff... all paid a decent wage and dont have to rely on tips... i just dont get it? meals in the US cost roughly the same as here in Scotland and yet our staff are getting roughly $10 an hour minimum wage... thats regardless of whether its busy or quiet for that hour... its a stupid system
and whoever paid out $64 on tips is either a show-off with their money or has the brain of a slightly retarted spider.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
meals in the US cost roughly the same as here in Scotland and yet our staff are getting roughly $10 an hour minimum wage... thats regardless of whether its busy or quiet for that hour... its a stupid system
You're not going to tip some cunt for making you a deep fried Mars bar though, are ya?
You're not going to tip some cunt for making you a deep fried Mars bar though, are ya?
fuck off and eat tatties ya peasant
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Or from the other perspective, the restaurant was not paying its employees properly in the first place.
Do you know in Europe tipping is not expected and rarely done. Yet service there is usually exceptional. They stive to please the customer. How can this be? Because the employees are well paid by the business owners and propriety is held in high esteem.
I thought that there were places in Europe where the staff worked solely on tips.
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I thought that there were places in Europe where the staff worked solely on tips.
yes.. its called Imaginaryland and they get paid in strippers
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oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I've also heard that wait-service is noticably worse in Europe, particulary Paris, where the wait staff apparently feel like it is your privilege to even talk to them.
Of course, that's a second hand story, so take it with a grain of salt. In Canada, I rarely run into poor waitstaff...maybe once every 20 or 30 times.
EVERYTHING'S worse in Paris
For the record, the few times I've been to the states I've had decent (high range) to ridiculously bad service compared to what we're used to here. The service here compared to the states ranges from good (what we'd consider bad) to exceptional. The only cases where you'd have bad service are usually eastern europeans on minimum wage.
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Why would anyone open a restaurant to break even? It's not like it's a non-profit organization?
Simple solution, Don't eat out.
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Over here, restaurant owners pay their employees... we pay for our meals... and yet I don't find eating out here that much more expensive than anywhere else... if you take cost of living into account it's probably even cheaper than the states :eek: . And yet they make a perfectly wonderful profit If they didn't there'd BE no restaurants.
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just a thought; if a server is going to make the same wage wether they give you fast, friendly, excellent service or slow, unfriendly, crappy service where does the server get the incentive to give anyone the former instead of the latter?
cos it's your JOB. If you're slow, unfriendly and crap here... you're no good to anyone so you have to go find another job and don't get any pay... same thing.
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just a thought; if a server is going to make the same wage wether they give you fast, friendly, excellent service or slow, unfriendly, crappy service where does the server get the incentive to give anyone the former instead of the latter?
same as a dentist, bus driver, shoe salesperson, air hostess, etc etc... i think its called 'professional pride'
i want the same level of service from anyone regardless if they get paid shit or not.. not my problem... they should have listened at school.... i dont tip my dentist, i've never tipped an air hostess who served me a meal.... so why tip people? I think Finsy said it best back in this thread... its self-aggrandising... its the american way.. lets flash cash around and whats more we'll flash it most to the people who get paid the least to let them know we earn more than them and that they should smile at me so i will bestow an extra $5 dollars on them.
its almost prostitution
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I always leave tip....I preffer to tip rather than no tip and increase the waiter salary, tips don't pay taxes (at least here).
Leaving 30-40% seems ridiculous to me...I leave between 10-15%
I thought that there were places in Europe where the staff worked solely on tips.
no chance! we have something called minimum wage you know...
in the US, what gets me even more than restaurant tipping (it's done in Europe..but it's optional, you're not FORCED into it), it's bar tipping!
it's not like bar staff are serving you at a table like in France or Italy (btw, it's only parisians who are snotty like that), you have to go get your drink yourself, all they do is open a bottle and pour it into a glass ffs!! (with me they don't even have to pour I'd rather drink from the bottle)
it'd be like me expecting a tip every time i answer the phone! ridiculous.
I tip out 30%, the last place I worked was 40%. I'm curious what other waitpersons tip out elsewhere. Thanks
Forgive me if I missed the original point, but it seems to me that you're asking the people who actually serve tables how much we tip-out to bartenders, bussers, or any of our other co-workers for their services throughout the shift.
Is that correct?
If so, I don't understand the 30-40% guideline. Unless you're working at some place where you walk with $500.00 each night, why are you giving away one-third of your take? Our restaurant has a tip-share program where each server gives 3% of his/her sales to the house. That 3% is re-distributed to bartenders (who make their own tips from bar customers), bussers, and hosts (who each earn a higher wage per hour than servers/bartenders).
Given my situation, 30% of the night's sales sounds like highway robbery. If it's 30% of the night's earnings, it still sounds a little steep. Help me understand.
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no chance! we have something called minimum wage you know...
in the US, what gets me even more than restaurant tipping (it's done in Europe..but it's optional, you're not FORCED into it), it's bar tipping!
it's not like bar staff are serving you at a table like in France or Italy (btw, it's only parisians who are snotty like that), you have to go get your drink yourself, all they do is open a bottle and pour it into a glass ffs!! (with me they don't even have to pour I'd rather drink from the bottle)
it'd be like me expecting a tip every time i answer the phone! ridiculous.
Tipping is optional here but it is expected.
Oh the reason to tip bartenders is so that they bring you your drinks much faster otherwise you could wait a long time in between drinks. I usually tip them big the first time and then a little bit after each drink.
Hmm nothing wrong with getting a tip after each phone call
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Oh the reason to tip bartenders is so that they bring you your drinks much faster otherwise you could wait a long time in between drinks. I usually tip them big the first time and then a little bit after each drink.
how about the bartend just does his fucking job regardless of what american is waving the largest bunch of cash in his face.
if someone got served before me in an US bar simply because they'd tipped the guy $10 on his first round then i'd punch all the staff in the kidneys and glue their children to a whale...
its a fucked up system and no amount of defending it will ever convince us otherwise.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Forgive me if I missed the original point, but it seems to me that you're asking the people who actually serve tables how much we tip-out to bartenders, bussers, or any of our other co-workers for their services throughout the shift.
Is that correct?
If so, I don't understand the 30-40% guideline. Unless you're working at some place where you walk with $500.00 each night, why are you giving away one-third of your take? Our restaurant has a tip-share program where each server gives 3% of his/her sales to the house. That 3% is re-distributed to bartenders (who make their own tips from bar customers), bussers, and hosts (who each earn a higher wage per hour than servers/bartenders).
Given my situation, 30% of the night's sales sounds like highway robbery. If it's 30% of the night's earnings, it still sounds a little steep. Help me understand.
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Three pages in and somebody finally reads the op's thread properly (that is after me To the non-tippers out there because you don't favor the American way, you are paying for it in the cost of the food where you live. One person on here said meals are basically the same price in Scotland as in the states. How do you figure? Throughout America, depending on where you live, meals range dramatically in price. Not to mention no one has mentioned the overhead to lease/own the space where your restaurant is located. I know what some people pay in NYC to rent their restaurant,and I assure you, you wouldn't want to see what the prices on the menu would be if the owners paid a better wage. What are the costs in other countries to run a restaurant?
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Oh the reason to tip bartenders is so that they bring you your drinks much faster otherwise you could wait a long time in between drinks. I usually tip them big the first time and then a little bit after each drink.
Hmm nothing wrong with getting a tip after each phone call
it's not optional if you get bad or no service unless you do it!
that sounds like a form of blackmail to me.. just do your fucking job!
Oh, and to those in other countries that have posted on here what their waiters make, and yet they still tip, why?? Shouldn't you be tipping the dentist as well then?
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
What are the costs in other countries to run a restaurant?
Same principle as in the US... some areas are cheaper than others. Same goes with wages, house prices, etc. Central London would be a lot more expensive than Greater London, which in turn is a lot more expensive than Chipping Norton.
All is relative.
We all understand that waiters, and most other jobs associated with a restaurant pay little money, but I work at a large bakers and when I see the wages of the factory/production people, it is worse than a waiter's basic pay. They work really hard and non stop but these guys don't get tips, do they? Whether you tip or not is your decision, but I argue if we tip certain professions (waiting staff, hairdressers, cab drivers) who earn a steady wage (albeit low), why do we stop there? If it is a service industry 'thing', should we tip the sales people or cashiers in shops? Should we tip the McDonald's worker who serves you?
how about the bartend just does his fucking job regardless of what american is waving the largest bunch of cash in his face.
if someone got served before me in an US bar simply because they'd tipped the guy $10 on his first round then i'd punch all the staff in the kidneys and glue their children to a whale...
its a fucked up system and no amount of defending it will ever convince us otherwise.
Oh I'm not defending it all. Of course I would rather not have to tip at all but I also want my drinks as fast as possible and I know other people are tipping the bartender so I do the same. I've no patience lol. I don't want to go to jail so punching them in the kidney and gluing their children to a whale doesn't work for me lol.
I think overall drinks are cheap here and adding in the tips just equals it out anyway. How much do you pay for a beer in Scotland? What kind do you drink?
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it's not optional if you get bad or no service unless you do it!
that sounds like a form of blackmail to me.. just do your fucking job!
You don't tip a waitress or waiter until you're done and it's based on the service so it is optional. You can leave without tipping. Some people do it all the time.
As for the bartender they will wait on you because it's a business to make money or they will be fired. However if the place is really crowded they will remember you if you tipped them well and may choose to wait on you before others.
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Same principle as in the US... some areas are cheaper than others. Same goes with wages, house prices, etc. Central London would be a lot more expensive than Greater London, which in turn is a lot more expensive than Chipping Norton.
All is relative.
We all understand that waiters, and most other jobs associated with a restaurant pay little money, but I work at a large bakers and when I see the wages of the factory/production people, it is worse than a waiter's basic pay. They work really hard and non stop but these guys don't get tips, do they? Whether you tip or not is your decision, but I argue if we tip certain professions (waiting staff, hairdressers, cab drivers) who earn a steady wage (albeit low), why do we stop there? If it is a service industry 'thing', should we tip the sales people or cashiers in shops? Should we tip the McDonald's worker who serves you?
Are you prepared to pay higher amounts for food to balance out for not tipping? I'm not sure about other cities/states/countries, but seeing how the majority of restaurant owners in NYC are greedy, cokehead thieves, if they were required to pay a decent wage to their employees, I guarantee you would feel it a lot more in your wallet than a 20% tip.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
I'm prepared to pay (and do pay!) what I consider a fair amount for the quality of the food, the surroundings and the service that I can expect. This fair amount could be £10 or £100 depending on the 'dining out' experience I'm looking for and getting. I would much rather see waiting staff get a fair basic pay and not have to rely on tips to make ends meet. Now I know that people who do get tips like that too because it could be 'tax free' if you were inclined to so such things (I was a waitress at one time), but having a decent basic salary is much better in the long run (pensions, etc.). But all in all, one must remember that those kind of jobs are minimum wage ones and you go into them knowing that (busser, dishwasher, etc. included).
Legally owners do not have to pay minimum wage to wait staff because its known that they make tips and are suppose to declare tips on their taxes, which does not happen. Because its mostly cash they can declare smaller amounts.
I think a per-person tip should be started. Instead of the amount of the check. Whether I order a porterhouse or a small dinner salad if i get the same service the tip would be the same. I don't agree with the amount being based on the total of the check. Plenty of assholes work in upscale restaurant that are making a lot of tip money that don't deserve it, but the elderly woman behind the counter in a small town makes a lot less and probably works harder.
but having a decent basic salary is much better in the long run (pensions, etc.). But all in all, one must remember that those kind of jobs are minimum wage ones and you go into them knowing that (busser, dishwasher, etc. included).
Here is the states, pensions are all but a thing of the past (to jobs that ever even had them, waiter/waitress was not one). Beyond that, virtually no restaurant employees have any benefits (health insurance,life insurance, retirement,etc.). So, yes, many are inclined to pocket some of the cash without paying taxes, but beyond that there is no benefit. At the end of the day, it's a shit job. One of which I'm glad to longer be part of. However, I will always tip, regardless of service, and will tip very well when the service is great. But, that's just me. To each their own.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
However, I will always tip, regardless of service, and will tip very well when the service is great. But, that's just me. To each their own.
I don't tip regardless of service. If I get shit service, I don't tip. I also hate the 'optional service charge' that is put on your bill. I always cross that one out - more often than not, it stays with the employer and not the staff. I would much rather the money go straight to the waiting staff via a tip. Another one is to add another 'optional service charge' if you have a 'larger' party (which could be four or more).
If that's 30%, you made over $210 in tips for one evening..... that is more than some of the factory workers earn in two days (gross pay).
I actually tipped $74, my mistake. I had $244 before tipping out. It was a good night, not every night is like that.
Rhinomagic, you are correct. My question was to other waiters asking how much they tip the rest of the restaurant staff. I tip 30% of my take, which is more than 3% of the sales (usually).
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this is true
i dont get the US system at all... people dont tip shoe salesmen, dentists, airline hostesses, bus drivers... all service staff... all paid a decent wage and dont have to rely on tips... i just dont get it? meals in the US cost roughly the same as here in Scotland and yet our staff are getting roughly $10 an hour minimum wage... thats regardless of whether its busy or quiet for that hour... its a stupid system
and whoever paid out $64 on tips is either a show-off with their money or has the brain of a slightly retarted spider.
You're not going to tip some cunt for making you a deep fried Mars bar though, are ya?
fuck off and eat tatties ya peasant
At least when ya eat fried 'tatties, they're not stuck all over your missus's boobies the next morning.
I thought that there were places in Europe where the staff worked solely on tips.
yes.. its called Imaginaryland and they get paid in strippers
p.s. your signature is brilliant
For the record, the few times I've been to the states I've had decent (high range) to ridiculously bad service compared to what we're used to here. The service here compared to the states ranges from good (what we'd consider bad) to exceptional. The only cases where you'd have bad service are usually eastern europeans on minimum wage.
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Over here, restaurant owners pay their employees... we pay for our meals... and yet I don't find eating out here that much more expensive than anywhere else... if you take cost of living into account it's probably even cheaper than the states :eek: . And yet they make a perfectly wonderful profit
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
same as a dentist, bus driver, shoe salesperson, air hostess, etc etc... i think its called 'professional pride'
i want the same level of service from anyone regardless if they get paid shit or not.. not my problem... they should have listened at school.... i dont tip my dentist, i've never tipped an air hostess who served me a meal.... so why tip people? I think Finsy said it best back in this thread... its self-aggrandising... its the american way.. lets flash cash around and whats more we'll flash it most to the people who get paid the least to let them know we earn more than them and that they should smile at me so i will bestow an extra $5 dollars on them.
its almost prostitution
Leaving 30-40% seems ridiculous to me...I leave between 10-15%
in the US, what gets me even more than restaurant tipping (it's done in Europe..but it's optional, you're not FORCED into it), it's bar tipping!
it's not like bar staff are serving you at a table like in France or Italy (btw, it's only parisians who are snotty like that), you have to go get your drink yourself, all they do is open a bottle and pour it into a glass ffs!! (with me they don't even have to pour I'd rather drink from the bottle)
it'd be like me expecting a tip every time i answer the phone! ridiculous.
Forgive me if I missed the original point, but it seems to me that you're asking the people who actually serve tables how much we tip-out to bartenders, bussers, or any of our other co-workers for their services throughout the shift.
Is that correct?
If so, I don't understand the 30-40% guideline. Unless you're working at some place where you walk with $500.00 each night, why are you giving away one-third of your take? Our restaurant has a tip-share program where each server gives 3% of his/her sales to the house. That 3% is re-distributed to bartenders (who make their own tips from bar customers), bussers, and hosts (who each earn a higher wage per hour than servers/bartenders).
Given my situation, 30% of the night's sales sounds like highway robbery. If it's 30% of the night's earnings, it still sounds a little steep. Help me understand.
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Tipping is optional here but it is expected.
Oh the reason to tip bartenders is so that they bring you your drinks much faster
Hmm nothing wrong with getting a tip after each phone call
how about the bartend just does his fucking job regardless of what american is waving the largest bunch of cash in his face.
if someone got served before me in an US bar simply because they'd tipped the guy $10 on his first round then i'd punch all the staff in the kidneys and glue their children to a whale...
its a fucked up system and no amount of defending it will ever convince us otherwise.
Three pages in and somebody finally reads the op's thread properly (that is after me
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
that sounds like a form of blackmail to me.. just do your fucking job!
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
All is relative.
We all understand that waiters, and most other jobs associated with a restaurant pay little money, but I work at a large bakers and when I see the wages of the factory/production people, it is worse than a waiter's basic pay. They work really hard and non stop but these guys don't get tips, do they? Whether you tip or not is your decision, but I argue if we tip certain professions (waiting staff, hairdressers, cab drivers) who earn a steady wage (albeit low), why do we stop there? If it is a service industry 'thing', should we tip the sales people or cashiers in shops? Should we tip the McDonald's worker who serves you?
Oh I'm not defending it all. Of course I would rather not have to tip at all but I also want my drinks as fast as possible and I know other people are tipping the bartender so I do the same. I've no patience lol. I don't want to go to jail so punching them in the kidney and gluing their children to a whale doesn't work for me lol.
I think overall drinks are cheap here and adding in the tips just equals it out anyway. How much do you pay for a beer in Scotland? What kind do you drink?
You don't tip a waitress or waiter until you're done and it's based on the service so it is optional. You can leave without tipping. Some people do it all the time.
As for the bartender they will wait on you because it's a business to make money or they will be fired. However if the place is really crowded they will remember you if you tipped them well and may choose to wait on you before others.
Are you prepared to pay higher amounts for food to balance out for not tipping? I'm not sure about other cities/states/countries, but seeing how the majority of restaurant owners in NYC are greedy, cokehead thieves, if they were required to pay a decent wage to their employees, I guarantee you would feel it a lot more in your wallet than a 20% tip.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
I think a per-person tip should be started. Instead of the amount of the check. Whether I order a porterhouse or a small dinner salad if i get the same service the tip would be the same. I don't agree with the amount being based on the total of the check. Plenty of assholes work in upscale restaurant that are making a lot of tip money that don't deserve it, but the elderly woman behind the counter in a small town makes a lot less and probably works harder.
Here is the states, pensions are all but a thing of the past (to jobs that ever even had them, waiter/waitress was not one). Beyond that, virtually no restaurant employees have any benefits (health insurance,life insurance, retirement,etc.). So, yes, many are inclined to pocket some of the cash without paying taxes, but beyond that there is no benefit. At the end of the day, it's a shit job. One of which I'm glad to longer be part of. However, I will always tip, regardless of service, and will tip very well when the service is great. But, that's just me. To each their own.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
You misunderstood. I had to tip out to the rest of the restaurant staff 30%. That added up to $64 that night. It's not me showing off...
I actually tipped $74, my mistake. I had $244 before tipping out. It was a good night, not every night is like that.
Rhinomagic, you are correct. My question was to other waiters asking how much they tip the rest of the restaurant staff. I tip 30% of my take, which is more than 3% of the sales (usually).