I just got back from the hospital. the psychiatrists were going to come today but because of insurance difficulties (what else is new?) another group had to be called. they'll be at the hospital tomorrow, hopefully.
I hope he goes to a psych. ward because I really don't believe that he understands what really happened to him and his family agrees with me. this isn't something that just HAPPENS and he needs to understand that he now has an opportunity to talk to someone about his feelings and difficulties. even if it means going to a shrink once a week for the rest of his life then so be it, we just want him happy and ready to live life.
the ward would be very beneficial. i graduate med school in less than a yr and plan a career in psychiatry.
i hope your friend receives the care that he needs
He most likely grew up without being able to witness what it's like when two people are truly in love. Such a scenario teaches him the beauty of devotion.
Had he been raised in such an environment, he would've viewed his ex-g/f's lack of devotion as an indication that she's better off as an ex-g/f.
Instead, the experience probably triggered the feelings of emptiness that have been with him all along as a result of being the child of a broken marriage.
He thought, "It's my fault that she does not love me just as it's my fault that my parents don't love each other."
So, he became overwhelmed by the combined effects of experiencing the pain of heartbreak, the sting of rejection, and the resurfacing of his feelings of guilt surrounding his parents' divorce. This is what led to his 80 pills of excedrine.
And, of course, with the dismal state of psychiatry in existence today, he'll probably be given a psychoactive prescription with minimal counseling.
saw his ex-gf with another guy at night, but she didn't want to talk to him. when he got home his mind was racing and he was going nuts and not thinking. he took 80 pills of Excedrin.... at the hospital he was throwing up for hours straight, drinking this liquid charcoal thing to make him vomit all the crap out of his insides. he's doing much better now, they moved him to ICU because he's still a suicide risk. but he's talking and acting like everything is okay and has already said how much of a dumbass he is. seeing his little 9 year old sister frustrated and crying because she couldn't be with him made a big impression on him.
but 18 years old doing something like this, it's not right. very sad to see. his parents are handling it well, unfortunately they're divorced so it's awkward for him. I have no emotions right now, when I see him he's laughing and talking, but when I step back and see the big picture, I see that he should be dead, and at the very least be on dialysis for his liver for the rest of his life. he's perfectly healthy right now.
the only song that's soothing me is Jeff Buckley's "Hallelujah." I'm so blown away by everything right now and life has never seemed so beautiful :(
This is the first time I've clicked and read this thread. After reading this it brings back memories of a very good friend of mine. After getting depressed over a girl he took over 30 extra strength Tylenol pills. I remember going to see him and him telling me about the liquid charcoal stuff they made him drink to throw up. He does have to take meds because of that for the rest of his life now. But he got threw it and he's alive. He was in a locked down unit and it was very uneasy to be there. Something that I haven't forget and neither has he.
I do hope all goes well for your friend. He gets better and makes the most of his life. Take care
Stylo Make sure you guide your mate to get the Counselling. It is offered or available, and i've seen that the system does offer the help... but if the individual doesn't accept it, then that's a bad choice.
There is some sort of mental issue.. not problem, but just issue here. By the way.. telling depressed people that "you'll get over it" doesn't help.... the professionals know what to say. Generally family and friends who haven't dealt with the situation before are not saying the right thing to help. Not always though.
Also... let them realise that time out in a psych clinic or whatever might be a break they need. To get away from what they've just been through. To escape the big bad world outside.. just to sort stuff out.
This is the first time I've clicked and read this thread. After reading this it brings back memories of a very good friend of mine. After getting depressed over a girl he took over 30 extra strength Tylenol pills. I remember going to see him and him telling me about the liquid charcoal stuff they made him drink to throw up. He does have to take meds because of that for the rest of his life now. But he got threw it and he's alive. He was in a locked down unit and it was very uneasy to be there. Something that I haven't forget and neither has he.
I do hope all goes well for your friend. He gets better and makes the most of his life. Take care
Yeah a lock down unit is scary for family and friends to visit... but at the end of the day it's best for the person in the main picture until they are assessed. Yes if they stay there too long they may get edgy or whatever, and it depends who they are in with at the time.
But for a short period of time it gives the person some time to get away from the real world and reflect on what's happened.
I've seen someone drink the charcoal... not a pretty sight! and I've kinda avoided this thread until I popped in just now.
Yeah a lock down unit is scary for family and friends to visit... but at the end of the day it's best for the person in the main picture until they are assessed. Yes if they stay there too long they may get edgy or whatever, and it depends who they are in with at the time.
But for a short period of time it gives the person some time to get away from the real world and reflect on what's happened.
I've seen someone drink the charcoal... not a pretty sight! and I've kinda avoided this thread until I popped in just now.
The first time I went to see him it was with his folks. It was sad and scary indeed to be there. Just getting inside where is he was you were searched and just a odd feeling. He actually had to go to court cause he committed a crime against himself. Sounds weird but it's true and he had to go threw a bunch of stuff.
The charcoal stuff looked nasty and I was told tasted like shit. lol
Most people are probably more likely to want to die over a girl at 18 than as a middle-aged person. At 18 it really can feel like life doesn't go on because, let's face it, if it's the first time you've felt that shitty, you haven't had proof that life does go on yet.
It was a rash, foolish decision but one that should be met with sympathy and understanding, not cynicism.
I agree completely... much as I'd love to shake some sense into this guy... he almost took his own fucking life and destroyed the lives of those closest to him... it's pretty serious and not something you can just knock with a little dose of cynicism. Everything seems exaggerated when you're a teenager.
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It sort of reminds me of that teenager who tried to kill himself while listening to Judas Priest back in the 1980's. You might recall it being all over the news. He and a friend decided to off themselves with a double-barred shotty one night while listening to the mournful howls of Rob Halford & Co.
His friend succeeded.
Unfortunately, even the explosive, destructive power of two simultaneous discharges of shotgun shells at point blank range with the business end of the barrel situated in his own mouth did not produce his intended outcome of the taking of his own life.
It worked for Kurt with only a single-barreled shotty, but not in the case of this JP fan with twice the firepower.
Yes he indeed survived, but his face and most of his head was so severely disfigured that one wonders if it was an actual miracle so much as it was a horrible turn of events. It was a little of both I guess.
I suppose there are people who have gone through similar if not worse ordeals, yet not of their own will and doing. And my heart truly goes out to them as I can more easily find myself relating to being the victim of chance.
I suppose that could be said of all attempted suicides.
Still, I'm not sure when, or how, wanting attention became a human anomaly or aberration. I.e, we're posting on a rock bands message board. Doesn't wanting attention have something to do with being in a rock band?
I have yet to hear someone accuse Kurt of wanting attention. It seems like if someone is successful at it they are "desperately sad", but when they fail, it's that they needed attention.
I'd say 80 pills sounds like an authentic desire to end one's own suffering. It's not like he was scratching his wrists with a dull steak knife.
I have yet to hear someone accuse Kurt of wanting attention. It seems like if someone is successful at it they are "desperately sad", but when they fail, it's that they needed attention.
I'd say 80 pills sounds like an authentic desire to end one's own suffering. It's not like he was scratching his wrists with a dull steak knife.
Agreed.
It's hard to believe...but yes...some people actually want to die...or at the very least to escape from the pain they are feeling...even if the desire is fleeting and once on the other side of the feeling the person is astonished they ever wanted to die, the desire is very real. Collin used the word "trapped" which I think is very accurate...suicide is the ultimate escape from a situation or feelings that seem unbearable. It's easier to believe that it's attention seeking...it's hard to grasp that often it is much much more than that.
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the ward would be very beneficial. i graduate med school in less than a yr and plan a career in psychiatry.
i hope your friend receives the care that he needs
He most likely grew up without being able to witness what it's like when two people are truly in love. Such a scenario teaches him the beauty of devotion.
Had he been raised in such an environment, he would've viewed his ex-g/f's lack of devotion as an indication that she's better off as an ex-g/f.
Instead, the experience probably triggered the feelings of emptiness that have been with him all along as a result of being the child of a broken marriage.
He thought, "It's my fault that she does not love me just as it's my fault that my parents don't love each other."
So, he became overwhelmed by the combined effects of experiencing the pain of heartbreak, the sting of rejection, and the resurfacing of his feelings of guilt surrounding his parents' divorce. This is what led to his 80 pills of excedrine.
And, of course, with the dismal state of psychiatry in existence today, he'll probably be given a psychoactive prescription with minimal counseling.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
This is the first time I've clicked and read this thread. After reading this it brings back memories of a very good friend of mine. After getting depressed over a girl he took over 30 extra strength Tylenol pills. I remember going to see him and him telling me about the liquid charcoal stuff they made him drink to throw up. He does have to take meds because of that for the rest of his life now. But he got threw it and he's alive. He was in a locked down unit and it was very uneasy to be there. Something that I haven't forget and neither has he.
I do hope all goes well for your friend. He gets better and makes the most of his life. Take care
There is some sort of mental issue.. not problem, but just issue here. By the way.. telling depressed people that "you'll get over it" doesn't help.... the professionals know what to say. Generally family and friends who haven't dealt with the situation before are not saying the right thing to help. Not always though.
Also... let them realise that time out in a psych clinic or whatever might be a break they need. To get away from what they've just been through. To escape the big bad world outside.. just to sort stuff out.
This can be true too.
But for a short period of time it gives the person some time to get away from the real world and reflect on what's happened.
I've seen someone drink the charcoal... not a pretty sight! and I've kinda avoided this thread until I popped in just now.
The first time I went to see him it was with his folks. It was sad and scary indeed to be there. Just getting inside where is he was you were searched and just a odd feeling. He actually had to go to court cause he committed a crime against himself. Sounds weird but it's true and he had to go threw a bunch of stuff.
The charcoal stuff looked nasty and I was told tasted like shit. lol
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
His friend succeeded.
Unfortunately, even the explosive, destructive power of two simultaneous discharges of shotgun shells at point blank range with the business end of the barrel situated in his own mouth did not produce his intended outcome of the taking of his own life.
It worked for Kurt with only a single-barreled shotty, but not in the case of this JP fan with twice the firepower.
Yes he indeed survived, but his face and most of his head was so severely disfigured that one wonders if it was an actual miracle so much as it was a horrible turn of events. It was a little of both I guess.
I suppose there are people who have gone through similar if not worse ordeals, yet not of their own will and doing. And my heart truly goes out to them as I can more easily find myself relating to being the victim of chance.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
I suppose that could be said of all attempted suicides.
Still, I'm not sure when, or how, wanting attention became a human anomaly or aberration. I.e, we're posting on a rock bands message board. Doesn't wanting attention have something to do with being in a rock band?
I'd say 80 pills sounds like an authentic desire to end one's own suffering. It's not like he was scratching his wrists with a dull steak knife.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
It's hard to believe...but yes...some people actually want to die...or at the very least to escape from the pain they are feeling...even if the desire is fleeting and once on the other side of the feeling the person is astonished they ever wanted to die, the desire is very real. Collin used the word "trapped" which I think is very accurate...suicide is the ultimate escape from a situation or feelings that seem unbearable. It's easier to believe that it's attention seeking...it's hard to grasp that often it is much much more than that.