come on Andy Murray
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yeee fucking haw 
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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Well done.
i dislike Nadal even more, so good to see the scotsman get up!!
c'mon the fed express in the final though!
I wave to all my Friends... Yeah!
So true...
Katowice 2007
London 2007
All the English I know cheer him on but don't claim him.
Don't agree with that. He is Scottish and proud of it no one would argue with that ... but I and everyone I know support him whether he is winning or losing ... it's not like we suddenly swap allegiances and start for example supporting Nadal in the Wimbledon semi when he was getting trounced (after which I remember there being loads in the papers here supporting him and how well he'd done, how much he'd improved in the last year)
... and if that was the case why the English getting blamed and not all Brits .. it's ok for the Welsh to support him I suppose :rolleyes:
btw are we allowed to support him when he's competing for Britain in the Davies cup
So now that Murray made it to the final...I am certainly pulling for him. I just don't care as much since my boy is out.
i remember a while back at Wimbledon and there was a bit of a furor up here as BBC Scotland interviewed English fans on Henman Hill just after he put out that Gasquet (sp) guy and they said they'd be supporting Nadal as he was 'more likeable'.
anyway, that was only 2 or 3 people who said crap like that and the vast majority said they'd be supporting him... but there's always going to be that 'if he wins he's british, if he loses he's scottish' thing... and unfortunately the main culrpits are the media tv presenters themselves... not the general public.
anyone remember MacEnroes faux pas, again during Wimbledon, when he said 'what it is about you English guys that like to make us sweat through your games' (or words to that effect) and after about 8 minutes of me going mental i noticed Andrew Castle said to him... 'ehhh he's scottish' and then McEnroe sorta apologised.
anyway, thats geographical ignorance (i.e. he's american) rather than a uk/scottish thing
Ah the old if you're from the UK = English :rolleyes: nope = British
Anyway I'm going to a gig tonight but presume it will still be going on when I get home so will be following it on the guardian website like I did last night ... could be a late night!
aye, i know its an insiginificant thing but it bugs me mental.
hey Al... good win for youse guys in Georgia!!!
Fact is he's a good tennis player, and a miserable bastard, who happens to be from Scotland....he's still a posh kid whatever. They all are
Scot Andy Murray's march to the US Open final has left some Americans mistakenly applauding the "Englishman". And they're not the only ones confused by the whole Scotland-England-Britain-thing.
Few British press reports lauding tennis star Andy Murray's dramatic victory over Rafael Nadal in the semi-finals failed to mention that the 21-year-old is Scottish.
And most Brits would know anyway, especially after Murray underlined his nationality with his controversial - although perhaps tongue-in-cheek - comments in 2006 about supporting any football team playing England.
The furore that followed that remark did not register in the US of course, where many observers remain confused about who the young man from Dunblane really is.
Former tennis player Wendy Turnbull, an Australian now commentating for the BBC, says: "It was funny, I was upstairs in the players' lounge and I heard some Americans go 'Oh, the Englishman won.'
"Then someone said 'He's Scottish!' and the others said 'We meant to say British, not English.' So Americans are correcting other Americans and saying he's Scottish."
The BBC's tennis commentator, Jonathan Overend, in New York, says: "It's amazing, isn't it? Some people here still can't get their heads around what that's all about, saying 'Well how can he be from Scotland but still from Britain?'"
It's a mistake that was made at Wimbledon earlier this year by American John McEnroe who, when commentating on a Murray match, described him as one of "you English guys". He swiftly apologised.
'Aussies better'
It's not just tennis pros who fall victim to this confusion. Ken Paterson, a photographer who set up the Famous Scots Project to celebrate the Scots diaspora, says that when telling people in the US that he's Scottish, they do sometimes think it is part of England.
"You do have to explain that. It's not an uncommon perception, but then Americans are not particularly educated about geography outside their own country," he says. Although many Americans might think the same about British knowledge of their country (see factbox above for examples).
"I think Australians are slightly better, but I don't think other countries want to split us [Britain] up. We're a small country on the edge of Europe. Why split us up any further?
For MSP Stewart Maxwell, "Britain doesn't really mean anything to Americans".
"They think of Britain as England and can't differentiate between Wales and Scotland and England," says the communities and sport minister.
"I think Europeans are very clear about the different parts of the UK. I've never experienced that problem in Europe."
In the US Mr Maxwell has experienced the two extremes - a barmaid in the Deep South standing in front of a gantry full of Scotch whisky who said she had never heard of Scotland and a Native American in California who was so knowledgeable he could isolate where Mr Maxwell was from - Glasgow.
'Don't be smug'
"I'm never upset by it. It's not the individual's fault. Once you speak to people and explain the difference you realise they are aware of the iconic things about Scotland - whisky, castles, Loch Ness and tartan - and very enthusiastic about it."
But Brits shouldn't get too smug - they make the same mistakes too. Although awareness within the UK about national differences has grown, especially since devolution, there are still instances where people publicly fall back into bad habits.
And the BBC is one of the main culprits, says Mr Maxwell. This was perfectly illustrated when one interviewer asked sprinter Usain Bolt to give a message to "the whole of England watching" after his Olympic triumphs.
"It's a continuation of England and Britain being the same thing," says the MSP. "There's an excuse for people far away to not know their geography but the fact remains that the BBC not knowing it is beyond the pale."
Doesn't he wear saltire wristbands ... although that would require them to recognise the saltire so scratch that
p.s. I agree with jamie he is a bit of a miserable bastard ... and what's with this showing off of his muscles he's taken to of late :eek: ... not attractive
For a time there in that second set I thought he mighta levelled things up but Federer was just on another level. At least it wasn't a whitewash.
About that World Cup comment, a reporter had asked him if he'd be supporting Scotland during the tournament knowing they hadn't qualified and lot of the press coverage conveniently chose to ignore this. Former Tory MP David Mellor (rotund floppy-fringed fella outed by the NOTW in a Frank Bough style S&M sting in the early 90's) launched some serious vitriol Murrays way in his Evening Standard sports column: "....his personality reflects a Tartan tosspot chippiness.....they should build Hadrian's Wall higher"
2003 ~ Toronto
2005 ~ London, Toronto
2006 ~ Toronto
2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
Leaving is for the answering machine.
I felt sorry for him.
lol, he is a good coach and has done well in international tournaments
come on Andy Murray
2003 ~ Toronto
2005 ~ London, Toronto
2006 ~ Toronto
2008 ~ Hartford, Mansfied I,
2009 ~ Toronto, Chicago I, Chicago II
2010 ~ Cleveland, Buffalo
2011 ~ Toronto I, Toronto II, Ottawa, Hamilton
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo