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Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
edited March 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
I am writing an essay entitled "Literature and ideology are necessarily separate realms. Discuss with reference to one or more literary texts". I am using one primary text, The House of Bernarda Alba by Federico Garcia Lorca.

Any ideas, reference points, suggestions for themes to follow? I have a good basis of an essay going but I am always a little light on the word-count and any suggestions would be great :D
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    no? no one? :o
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    no? no one? :o
    c'mon... who logs on here to 'discuss an essay entitled "Literature and ideology are necessarily separate realms"'? :o

    It's YOUR homework... YOU do it :p
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  • chimechime Posts: 7,839
    I know I've read that play but I cannot remember a thing about it :D

    That doesn't help does it?
    So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    My question is... why are they necessarily separate realms? Can you not argue the contrary as well? Language/literature IS part of the process of 'defining' the views of people and the other way around too. They are like conjoined twins. But those are my thoughts. Sorry.... can't point you to any texts to argue the point of literature and ideology having to be separate!

    Not useful for your essay! :o But it would add to the word count :D
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    c'mon... who logs on here to 'discuss an essay entitled "Literature and ideology are necessarily separate realms"'? :o

    It's YOUR homework... YOU do it :p
    Fins would help me... and he'd probably take pleasure in it :(

    :D
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    redrock wrote:
    My question is... why are they necessarily separate realms? Can you not argue the contrary as well? Language/literature IS part of the process of 'defining' the views of people and the other way around too. They are like conjoined twins. But those are my thoughts. Sorry.... can't point you to any texts to argue the point of literature and ideology having to be separate!

    Not useful for your essay! :o But it would add to the word count :D
    Well that is what I am arguing. I disagree with the statement in the title and am seeking to disprove it. I am just always far too concise :) I need another 1000 words from somewhere.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Ah OK... I thought you were agreeing!

    Damn.. another 1000 words... Throw in Marx, a few other revolutionaries, your own words.... Bummer.. but you need to refer to texts :(

    Google it? :o

    Where is Fins when you need him?
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    redrock wrote:
    Ah OK... I thought you were agreeing!

    Damn.. another 1000 words... Throw in Marx, a few other revolutionaries, your own words.... Bummer.. but you need to refer to texts :(

    Google it? :o

    Where is Fins when you need him?
    aye, already onto marxist criticism now :) I have found a few good new sources to discuss. The wordcount is just creeping up at the most painfully slow rate.

    never mind. when this is handed in tomorrow I am going out for a night of relaxed fun. and by that I mean jagermeister and dancing :D
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I am writing an essay entitled "Literature and ideology are necessarily separate realms. Discuss with reference to one or more literary texts". I am using one primary text, The House of Bernarda Alba by Federico Garcia Lorca.

    Any ideas, reference points, suggestions for themes to follow? I have a good basis of an essay going but I am always a little light on the word-count and any suggestions would be great :D

    The perfect text for this is the Open University's A319: Literature in the Modern World Block Four - Literature and Ideology. (4 of 8.) The course is now defunct, but I'm sure you could get hold of the coursebook either from your college library, or from the OU. The ISBN for the book is

    ISBN 0 7492 1038 9

    In a library, it'll be classified under 809.04.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Fins! Source of all knowledge, even library reference numbers!
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    The perfect text for this is the Open University's A319: Literature in the Modern World Block Four - Literature and Ideology. (4 of 8.) The course is now defunct, but I'm sure you could get hold of the coursebook either from your college library, or from the OU. The ISBN for the book is

    ISBN 0 7492 1038 9

    In a library, it'll be classified under 809.04.
    Got it, using it now :) when I started the thread I couldn't find it and I have too many fines at the moment to get a copy out of the library but I found it. It is certainly a fountain of useful knowledge on the subject. The Eagleton stuff is really helpful.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    The perfect text for this is the Open University's A319: Literature in the Modern World Block Four - Literature and Ideology. (4 of 8.) The course is now defunct, but I'm sure you could get hold of the coursebook either from your college library, or from the OU. The ISBN for the book is

    ISBN 0 7492 1038 9

    In a library, it'll be classified under 809.04.

    *rubs eyes*

    Did I just read that??

    :D
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    *rubs eyes*

    Did I just read that??

    :D
    oh he blatantly took it off the shelf. he doesn't know it by heart.

    does he?!
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Not the ISBN, but I know my Dewey classification system, matey. I think most one-time postgrad or research students do. ;)
  • justjoshingujustjoshingu Posts: 538
    i cant help you with that. i disagree with the paper and as my book i would use Les Miserables'
    mean people suck!
    but nice people sw****w

  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Not the ISBN, but I know my Dewey classification system, matey. I think most one-time postgrad or research students do. ;)
    Alright then smartarse ;) what would the Dewey Decimal for The Anarchy of the Imagination: Interviews, Essay, Notes of Rainer Werner Fassbinder be?
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    justjoshingu wrote:
    i cant help you with that. i disagree with the paper and as my book i would use Les Miserables'
    I disagree with it too. I didn't write the question. I feel that i thoroughly disproved the statement as well. Essay is now done :)
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Not the ISBN, but I know my Dewey classification system, matey. I think most one-time postgrad or research students do. ;)

    I'm a post-grad, and I............ know exactly what you were talking about. Oh yes. I do. Don't hate.
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    * 000 – Computer science, information, and general works ("the generalities")
    * 100 – Philosophy and psychology
    * 200 – Religion
    * 300 – Social sciences
    * 400 – Languages
    * 500 – Science
    * 600 – Technology applied science
    * 700 – Arts and recreation
    * 800 – Literature
    * 900 – History and geography


    It's 791 something or other, Jamie. Public Performances.
  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,676
    Is that, like, for when you are bad?

    :P
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    It's 791 something or other, Jamie. Public Performances.
    you are...

    correct :)
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    you are...

    correct :)


    I had to study a bit of bibliography at the start of my MA. That's how I know. Copyright libraries such as the University Library in Cambridge don't use Dewey, though:

    http://www.lib.cam.ac.uk/class/toutline.pdf
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