Why don't the majority of people care about the homeless?

EvilMerlinEvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
edited July 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
I've always had a dream since I was a little kid that I'd help as many homeless people as I can. And that within my radial reach of help, I'd cure every homeless person and hope that it would pass on to all areas.

Everyone looks at me like I'm crazy when they ask me what I'm passionate about and I talk about this.

When I was a little kid I had this elaborate plan(for an eight year old) To make a self contained homeless shelter that can run itself by the homeless.

I've actually had two meetings with people before, project developers, and I basically get laughed out of their office. Not because the plan wouldn't work, but because it won't bring them millions. Which I understand, but some people just don't really care anymore.

It's really hard letting go of dreams, especially one that I've held onto for so long. Sometimes it's the only thing keeping me going...my mind trying to figure out a way. Any way, to get things done.

Sometimes I think I just care about too much with too many different things. I guess I kind of think that could be a case because it's killing me mentally and emotionally and draining any chance at allowing myself to be happy.
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  • GraySaturdayGraySaturday Posts: 2,878
    money is a powerful thing.


    Sad, but true.


    Thats sweet of you to have homelessness as a cause of yours. It's so depressing to see all of the homeless people on the streets in the city.

    Nothing will ever change if everyone gives up hope. I'm sure many many things that are hugely popular now, were once laughed at. Keep the faith.
  • SwanSwan Posts: 350
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    I've always had a dream since I was a little kid that I'd help as many homeless people as I can. And that within my radial reach of help, I'd cure every homeless person and hope that it would pass on to all areas.

    Everyone looks at me like I'm crazy when they ask me what I'm passionate about and I talk about this.

    When I was a little kid I had this elaborate plan(for an eight year old) To make a self contained homeless shelter that can run itself by the homeless.

    I've actually had two meetings with people before, project developers, and I basically get laughed out of their office. Not because the plan wouldn't work, but because it won't bring them millions. Which I understand, but some people just don't really care anymore.

    It's really hard letting go of dreams, especially one that I've held onto for so long. Sometimes it's the only thing keeping me going...my mind trying to figure out a way. Any way, to get things done.

    Sometimes I think I just care about too much with too many different things. I guess I kind of think that could be a case because it's killing me mentally and emotionally and draining any chance at allowing myself to be happy.

    So what exactly is your plan to cure the homeless people? and what about the ones who don't have an illness, just down on their luck because of unemployment? and the kids who've run away because of domestic problems, how are you going to take care of them?
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  • toronado10toronado10 Posts: 239
    you can't help people who won't help themselves. It makes me sick everytime I see someone on a corner begging for money, I just want to say hey give me a dollar gas is fucking expensive.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    My friends and I usually try our best to help homeless people. We almost always end up chipping in and buying extra sandwiches and give it to a homeless person. Most of the time, we even end up talking to the person and sharing a few cigarettes with eachother.

    Over the course of time, I've met Lawyers, guys with master's degrees, professors, and people who've had terrible lives from the beginning and never finished school, people who became drug addicts but stopped and can't find a way to get back, etc...

    The conversations I have with these people, I think, really make a large impact on me and my friends.
  • EvilMerlinEvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    toronado10 wrote:
    you can't help people who won't help themselves. It makes me sick everytime I see someone on a corner begging for money, I just want to say hey give me a dollar gas is fucking expensive.

    That's the whole point. To create a place where people can help themselves. But not many people are interested in coming up with any ideas because it doesn't nothing for themselves.

    Yes, it makes you sick that someone else is suffering, lovely attitude. Because they're all drug addicts, and choose to destroy their own lives by their own free will so they can beg on the corner to go get another fix.

    Really? Ask them for a dollar? Why not help yourself and create an altenative fuel source? I mean, because it's easy to help yourself with no support structure around you, right?
  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    I always find it sad to see empty buildings and think that the homeless could live there.

    The sad fact is that a good number of homeless people are mentally ill and ended up using drugs/booze to "medicate" themselves which of course just compounds the problem.

    I like to think people do care but just feel overwhelmed and think "how could I change that?"
  • EvilMerlinEvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    money is a powerful thing.


    Sad, but true.


    Thats sweet of you to have homelessness as a cause of yours. It's so depressing to see all of the homeless people on the streets in the city.

    Nothing will ever change if everyone gives up hope. I'm sure many many things that are hugely popular now, were once laughed at. Keep the faith.

    Thanks for the positive vibes, GS. :)
    Swan wrote:
    So what exactly is your plan to cure the homeless people? and what about the ones who don't have an illness, just down on their luck because of unemployment? and the kids who've run away because of domestic problems, how are you going to take care of them?

    Thanks for being a smart ass and looking too much into my wording. :p

    Really, I mean you can just start off with a plan such as buying out an abandoned building in the slums, that had a hotel setting. That way everyone can get their own room, Then hire people to do maintenance, manage, cooks, servers, maid work, to work alongside with all the tenants to just give them the slighest of skill sets and work experience to build a resume to just get a simple job to start their way back into society. Just a baby step program.

    Sure it'd take a while to sit down and plan out details and get some kind of budget figured out so you'd know how much funding you'd need, but I mean just a basic layout, you never hear of anything.

    I'm sure if we spend billions on killing people, we could come up with the few millions to create a place to help people. Oh wait...why would anyone want to fund that.
    _outlaw wrote:
    My friends and I usually try our best to help homeless people. We almost always end up chipping in and buying extra sandwiches and give it to a homeless person. Most of the time, we even end up talking to the person and sharing a few cigarettes with eachother.

    Over the course of time, I've met Lawyers, guys with master's degrees, professors, and people who've had terrible lives from the beginning and never finished school, people who became drug addicts but stopped and can't find a way to get back, etc...

    The conversations I have with these people, I think, really make a large impact on me and my friends.

    Yeah I hear ya. I have a few buddies that I visit anytime in Frisco if I can find them. I've met some amazing people by just sitting down and getting them a meal. Sometimes the conversation is more important than a full stomach. People are beautiful in most aspects when given their opportunity. It's nice to see you do that as well.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    I think George Carlin said it best:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSRCjG-VLk
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I've often imagined that I'll end up homeless one day.
  • EvilMerlinEvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    _outlaw wrote:
    I think George Carlin said it best:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSRCjG-VLk

    Excellent clip. That's always been one of my favorite rants of his.
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I've often imagined that I'll end up homeless one day.
    Haha, I should be homeless in a couple of years.
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  • EvilMerlinEvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I've often imagined that I'll end up homeless one day.

    Can I rent a space in your box? We can keep each other company.
  • pjoasisrulepjoasisrule Posts: 3,412
    I care but I am trying to prevent myself from becoming homeless right now
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  • Lukin66Lukin66 Posts: 3,063
    I care but I am trying to prevent myself from becoming homeless right now
    Me too. Always interesting how close, at any time, you can be to being homeless.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    _outlaw wrote:
    I think George Carlin said it best:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSRCjG-VLk

    That's funny. :)
    I've just forwarded it to some friends of mine who are golfers.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    Can I rent a space in your box? We can keep each other company.

    As long as you don't snore.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ever wonder
    what befell the homeless
    to make them so
    do they horrify you
    disgust you
    do you pity them
    what?
    do you blame them
    judge them harshly
    do you say a silent prayer
    as you walk past
    to your invisible and absent god
    oh lord
    please keep me from such a fate
    do you give thanks
    to the almighty
    for your warm hearth and home
    the love of your family
    your good fortune
    when they ask for an offering
    do you oblige begrudgingly
    willingly
    or brush past them
    like they are a gnat
    or some other bug
    you can't tolerate
    ignorance
    do you have a kind word
    a greeting with a smile
    do you ever think of them at all?
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • toronado10toronado10 Posts: 239
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    That's the whole point. To create a place where people can help themselves. But not many people are interested in coming up with any ideas because it doesn't nothing for themselves.

    Yes, it makes you sick that someone else is suffering, lovely attitude. Because they're all drug addicts, and choose to destroy their own lives by their own free will so they can beg on the corner to go get another fix.

    Really? Ask them for a dollar? Why not help yourself and create an altenative fuel source? I mean, because it's easy to help yourself with no support structure around you, right?


    they have places where people can help themselves, its not a novel concept. A lot of these places are empty. Food shelters are crowded when people are hungry, empty after they've had some food.
    Take time to see the sky,
    Find shapes in the clouds.
    Hear the murmur of the wind
    and touch the cool water.
    Walk softly,
    we are intruders,
    tolerated briefly
    In an infinite universe.
  • EvilMerlinEvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    toronado10 wrote:
    they have places where people can help themselves, its not a novel concept. A lot of these places are empty. Food shelters are crowded when people are hungry, empty after they've had some food.

    That's the whole point. To eat and leave so the next person can get in. Why would they stay in a food shelter? That's run by somebody. It's not a place for them to live or get any kind of other help. They go eat and then move on to try and help their next problem.

    Just like an overnight shelter. So many are kicked out, turned away, pushed back to the streets because there's no room and limits on their use of them. Many are in places that they can't get to due to their location and are trying to find their ways to get to a place that will help them.
  • Because I live in a town where majority are homeless, and when they receive money some how it is spent on beer, vodka, or ciggs
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    I think most of us care about the idea of the homeless. Most of the homeless have a variety of serious mental issues and couldn't hold a steady job if they wanted to. I think the system definitely fails them. That being said, some are flat out disgusting. I was doing some work in the field last week at a run down strip center. Always fun. Anyway, there were several drums that had been placed in an alley contained contaminated soil that was awaiting disposal. I went in the alley to count the drums and noticed a large pile of apparent human shit in between some of them. Turns out a homeless dude regularly relieves himself in this back alley, with all sorts of public restrooms in the area. It's like the basic elements of humanity just aren't there. Then, later on, I see the nasty fucker go to his spot and drop trou. I was traumatized. After he wandered back out, I asked the guy if he realizes there are public restrooms in the area that he could use and he just kind of gives me this 1000 yard stare and walks on. Unreal.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Because I live in a town where majority are homeless, and when they receive money some how it is spent on beer, vodka, or ciggs
    Don't just give them money though. I never simply GIVE money to homeless people, I buy them food myself then give them the food. Can't buy beer with those.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    I've always had a dream since I was a little kid that I'd help as many homeless people as I can. And that within my radial reach of help, I'd cure every homeless person and hope that it would pass on to all areas.

    Everyone looks at me like I'm crazy when they ask me what I'm passionate about and I talk about this.

    When I was a little kid I had this elaborate plan(for an eight year old) To make a self contained homeless shelter that can run itself by the homeless.

    I've actually had two meetings with people before, project developers, and I basically get laughed out of their office. Not because the plan wouldn't work, but because it won't bring them millions. Which I understand, but some people just don't really care anymore.

    It's really hard letting go of dreams, especially one that I've held onto for so long. Sometimes it's the only thing keeping me going...my mind trying to figure out a way. Any way, to get things done.

    Sometimes I think I just care about too much with too many different things. I guess I kind of think that could be a case because it's killing me mentally and emotionally and draining any chance at allowing myself to be happy.

    I used to have the same idea when I was a kid! Unfortunately, my studies have taken me in a somewhat different direction with my life. But I hope to start volunteering with our local Healthcare for the Homeless sometime this year if I can. I tried serving food at a homeless shelter for awhile, but they serve at 5 PM and I get off work at 6 PM so I ended up abandondoning that idea. I'm sorry to say that all I do now for the homeless are randomly give them money, food, or hugs. Or I buy the occassional homeless guy a drink.

    I used to feel like I didn't want to give homeless people money for fear that they'd just spend it on alcohol. Then I started thinking: 1. Who am I to judge? 2. If I were homeless, I could probably use a drink!

    I remember this one time I went downtown to the annual Fall Crawl, where swarms of people turn out to listen to bands and get drunk. Some of the stages are set up outside, which means the homeless people get to listen to the music. This one time I was dancing with this homeless guy, and when the band ended I wanted to go into the nearby bar and have a drink. I knew this was probably not an option for the guy, and that struck me as terribly unfair. Not only can he not afford to have a drink, but he'd probably get kicked out of most bars he tried to go into. I, on the other hand, as a young woman, can (or could at that time) usually go downtown with no money, go to a bar, and not only would I not get harrassed, but people would buy me drinks! And this only because of the way I looked - not because I'm in any way a better person than this homeless man. Not to mention all the alcoholics with jobs - or at least showers - who go to bars all the time and get served and respected. Who are any of us to say that just because a person is homeless s/he doesn't deserve a drink like the rest of us? So I brought this guy into the bar with me (they tried to kick him out, but I said he was my guest and I was buying) and we sat and had a few drinks and a nice conversation. A couple of his homeless friends joined us. Turns out they knew my grandparents! Anyway, I ended up losing a friend over that experience, which was really sad. But my point is this: Homeless people deserve just as much respect, love, and maybe even drinks as the rest of us. None of us know for sure that we won't some day be in the same position.

    EvilMerlin, I commend your compassion and ability to feel concern for issues & people outside the scope of your own life. You are an inspiration and I hope you succeed in fullfilling your dream! (Have you tried meeting with your local homeless services to see what wisdom and/or collaboration they have to offer?)
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    Really? Ask them for a dollar? Why not help yourself and create an altenative fuel source? I mean, because it's easy to help yourself with no support structure around you, right?

    Excellent point!
  • 3inputchick3inputchick Posts: 845
    http://www.greystonbakery.com/

    You will love this place....
    I work in a very large NYC homeless shelter- we refer folks all the time. The social mission is amazing- it makes complete sense. It's such an easy idea.
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  • EvilMerlinEvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    scb wrote:
    I used to have the same idea when I was a kid! Unfortunately, my studies have taken me in a somewhat different direction with my life. But I hope to start volunteering with our local Healthcare for the Homeless sometime this year if I can. I tried serving food at a homeless shelter for awhile, but they serve at 5 PM and I get off work at 6 PM so I ended up abandondoning that idea. I'm sorry to say that all I do now for the homeless are randomly give them money, food, or hugs. Or I buy the occassional homeless guy a drink.

    I used to feel like I didn't want to give homeless people money for fear that they'd just spend it on alcohol. Then I started thinking: 1. Who am I to judge? 2. If I were homeless, I could probably use a drink!

    I remember this one time I went downtown to the annual Fall Crawl, where swarms of people turn out to listen to bands and get drunk. Some of the stages are set up outside, which means the homeless people get to listen to the music. This one time I was dancing with this homeless guy, and when the band ended I wanted to go into the nearby bar and have a drink. I knew this was probably not an option for the guy, and that struck me as terribly unfair. Not only can he not afford to have a drink, but he'd probably get kicked out of most bars he tried to go into. I, on the other hand, as a young woman, can (or could at that time) usually go downtown with no money, go to a bar, and not only would I not get harrassed, but people would buy me drinks! And this only because of the way I looked - not because I'm in any way a better person than this homeless man. Not to mention all the alcoholics with jobs - or at least showers - who go to bars all the time and get served and respected. Who are any of us to say that just because a person is homeless s/he doesn't deserve a drink like the rest of us? So I brought this guy into the bar with me (they tried to kick him out, but I said he was my guest and I was buying) and we sat and had a few drinks and a nice conversation. A couple of his homeless friends joined us. Turns out they knew my grandparents! Anyway, I ended up losing a friend over that experience, which was really sad. But my point is this: Homeless people deserve just as much respect, love, and maybe even drinks as the rest of us. None of us know for sure that we won't some day be in the same position.

    EvilMerlin, I commend your compassion and ability to feel concern for issues & people outside the scope of your own life. You are an inspiration and I hope you succeed in fullfilling your dream! (Have you tried meeting with your local homeless services to see what wisdom and/or collaboration they have to offer?)

    I have, and I've sat down with a few coordinators before with my cousin, and they're interested, but again, it's just trying to find funding/time to get it started. I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have as much time as I'd like to actually sit down and help, so when I'm on my free time I'll gladly buy someone a drink, or some food, or sit down and chat.

    I loved your story, thanks for sharing, and yes, it's a small world. Like the person that knew your grandparents, I once met a guy in Frisco that grew up in the neighborhood I grew up in Southern California. And he asked me what it was like since he was about twice my age. And we just sat there and shared memories. It was just a great talk that was great for myself, and it seemed like it was for him because someone just let him get his thoughts out.

    Thanks for your kind words, as I only hope to one day become an inspiration because of my actions and not my thoughts.
  • EvilMerlinEvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    http://www.greystonbakery.com/

    You will love this place....
    I work in a very large NYC homeless shelter- we refer folks all the time. The social mission is amazing- it makes complete sense. It's such an easy idea.

    I'm going to New York in September. I'm stopping by for sure. Thanks for that. :)
  • PearlJamaholicPearlJamaholic Posts: 2,019
    honestly i use to care. when i was younger i almost felt i had to give these people something to help. but after a few years of that crap, when im walking and they come up and ask for money i just try my best to ignore them and think 'jump in front of a bus.'

    and they always have these lame stories why they need money. i need money for bus fare, or i need new batteries for the bus ride home so im not bored. load of crap. if they said im a lazy person with a drug problem can i have some change to make the day easier, i might actually do it. but dont lie to me and think im retarded.

    i dont owe these people anything. thats how i feel.
  • SwanSwan Posts: 350
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    Thanks for being a smart ass and looking too much into my wording. :p

    Really, I mean you can just start off with a plan such as buying out an abandoned building in the slums, that had a hotel setting. That way everyone can get their own room, Then hire people to do maintenance, manage, cooks, servers, maid work, to work alongside with all the tenants to just give them the slighest of skill sets and work experience to build a resume to just get a simple job to start their way back into society. Just a baby step program.

    Sure it'd take a while to sit down and plan out details and get some kind of budget figured out so you'd know how much funding you'd need, but I mean just a basic layout, you never hear of anything.

    I'm sure if we spend billions on killing people, we could come up with the few millions to create a place to help people. Oh wait...why would anyone want to fund that.

    no offense but that's a fantasy, no one in their right mind will fund that, the overhead would drive any company out of bussiness.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    I always had the same dream, and still do.

    An answer to your question by Ani DiFranco;

    "i remember the first time i saw someone
    lying on the cold street
    i thought: i can't just walk past here
    this can't just be true
    but i learned by example
    to just keep moving my feet
    it's amazing the things that we all learn to do"
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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