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Serious question about Pit-bulls...
Pierce
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i love animals..especially dogs...i have a 6 year old Old English Sheepdog...and i just saved a 8 week old part- pitbull and mutt from a horrible situation...what can i say...he is a puppy...which i named him Vedder..anyway, i know he needs to get "sniped" before 6 months....i just need some more tips...i know he will be harder than my sheepdog to raise..."help me, help me"
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I met a guy a few years ago who still adored his, despite the fact that he had a massive scar on his arm from it.
Castration will help but temperament definitly breeds on.
Ask yourself, do you really want a dog that you can't trust in public or around friends and family, even if he is perfect with you ??
I was the one being trained....they knew it already
If all you want out of training the pup is for him to love you, don't bother paying for training....he already loves you.
If you want a relationship with the dog built on respect, see to it that he's put in his place based on "dog" rules: you eat first, you go through doors first, he gets out of your way when walking through a room, humans on the furniture, dogs on the floor. This isn't to say my dogs don't occasionally eat before me or that they're never allowed on the furniture. But as puppies, they were kept in their place. And now? They're only allowed up when I invite them and "off" means it.
Keep him last on the totem pole in your house, giving your older dog more "privledges" (earned of course) will help him learn where he stands and what he has to do to earn those things.
Get him in puppy kindergarden....he'll get socialized with other pups his age and you'll learn how to train him (it was humbling both times I did it....I found out that both my girls knew more about dog training than I ever thought I did!). Plus he'll be tired. My training company's philosophy? "A tired dog is a good dog. An exhausted dog is a GREAT dog!" Even now, at 7 and 8 years old, the both of my dogs have lots of energy to burn and they will get destructive if I don't burn it off them somehow (Frisbee, running at the beach, ball in the house, mind games). And two 65lb Labs are a handful, to say the least!
Good luck....and post some pics of him!!!!!
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Other breeds were also responsible for homicides, but to a much lesser extent. A 1997 study of dog bite fatalities in the years 1979 through 1996 revealed that the following breeds had killed one or more persons: pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas. (Dog Bite Related Fatalities," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, May 30, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 21, pp. 463 et. seq.) Since 1975, fatal attacks have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.
The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)
In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:
-Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous.
-An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).
-Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.
To learn more about dog attacks, see Why dogs bite people To learn about how to take some of the bite out of the dog bite epidemic, see Attorney Kenneth Phillips' 10-point plan for Preventing Dog Bites.
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
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thank you, Jeanie.
Again, to my point in another thread - the #1 reason why the insurance industry has black listed certain breeds is the unpredicability of the people who own them.
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perfect! ....well said....:)
All animals are unpredictable, just as people are.
I think it's always worth remembering that dogs can't speak and they are carnivores. And we are all meat in the end. They will behave on instinct at any given time. ANY BREED.
My thought has always been, you own a dog, you'd be best doing it thinking you own a tiger.
Never leave your dog unnattended around other people, and certainly NEVER around somebody that is smaller and defenceless. It's the law of nature really. Pit Bulls are more capable of killing you, same as dobermans because of their physiology and instinct if it's sparked, but any dog can and will if the "right" circumstances come in to play.
My dog is NEVER left alone with small children, or elderly or those that are defenceless. He is encouraged to spend time with all kinds of people, and all kinds of animals, always fully supervised. AND I am more than prepared to have to cut his throat if he does attack and must be stopped. Hate to be that brutal but I see no reason to pretend to myself that he is any different to any other animal or person for that matter. And as wolfbear and yourself said, it never hurts to get as much help with training him and yourself as possible.
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Get him around other dogs,take him to training with other dogs
The more interaction he has the better off the puppy will be
Take care of him and make sure he can trust you
Good Luck with the pooch !
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More infants are killed by their parents than pit bulls.
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Hey Pierce. Congratulations!
Bullies are awesome dogs! And big old softies a lot of the time.
When I got smelly old Lukin
The four best things I think that have helped me and Lukey come to an understanding are the following:
1) The Gentle Leader ~ You HAVE to get one of these! Cutback put me on to it and it's the GREATEST INVENTION for dogs EVER!! I can now walk Lukin for MILES instead of him dragging me a few hundred metres and having to give up!
2) Crating ~ I was a bit put off by the idea at first, but gee it's good! It's made such a difference to old buckethead that I cannot recommend it enough.
3) Training ~ We've yet to go off to training school because the year was winding up when I got Lukin, but I know that I need help learning all about how he works and good training is so important. Me being the one that needs the training! So he doesn't know it yet, but we'll be doing that this year and already I know that the benefits will be many.
4) *~*The Doggie Thread*~* :
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=5077287#post5077287
Good luck with Vedder Pierce, you guys are gonna have the best of times together.
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Don't tell my you want to bring logic into it now? Seems you'd be out of your league to me.
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Way to go with the sweeping generalizations, stereotypes and ignorance.
There is fiction here but it's coming from you.
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Sure, a lot of breeds have the ability to kill infants. So can raccoons, bats, and fucking mosquitos.
The problem is when a pitbull turns on you, in your home for instance, there is nothing you can do to stop it short of shooting it. They do not quit. They don't feel pain. They are unstoppable when they're set off.
Again, not all pitbulls will harm a human in their lifetime. But EVERY PITBULL IN THE WORLD has it in their blood to become just what I described if the conditions are right.
I'll break a Lab's jaw. I ain't doing shit to a pitbull. And neither are you if one gets on your ass.
Why would you start was has no end?
yea, and I'm fictitious..
Haha...I'm just telling you dude. A pitbull is the last breed of dog you would ever want swinging from your thigh by its teeth. Not that I would want anything with its teeth all up in my shit.
Why would you start was has no end?
I know this will be hard for you, seemingly you are very insular, but I have no idea what you are talking about because I know this will be hard to comprehend, but not everyone comes from America. And a lot of us don't get your cultural references and we live perfectly happily with out them.
There are plenty of people that have no business having pets. ANY pets!
But until such times as we start mandating strict controls and education and licencing for pet owners we are going to have the same problems over and over. The animals aren't the ones that need to be trained and educated it's the humans that own them.
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Well I beg to differ cory.
Twice now I have stopped a pit bull from attacking. And it wasn't easy but I was just as determined as the dogs. So yeah, maybe I was lucky, maybe I just brought it, who knows? But to think they've got you beat before you start only adds to their reputation.
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I've had to defend myself against men too, are you suggesting we exterminate all them? :rolleyes:
Seriously dude, the guy got himself a dog and it's a good thing. If you wanna bang on endlessly, uninformed, with your opinions about particular breeds of dogs this aint the place to do it. Go start a thread. Obviously you have lots of silly things to say about it and no amount of stats, reasoning, logic or fair minded thinking is going to sway you. Just don't buy one.
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Totally agree!! Guys like mike vick give pits a bad name...
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