Exposing the Red Sox "Nation".

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  • xavier mcdaniel
    xavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,448
    jimed14 wrote:
    Disclaimer - grew up 20 minutes outside of Boston, lived there for around 30 years before moving to Cali, where I've been for 4 years ... been a Sox fan all my life (the 14 in my handle is for Jim Rice) ... and not a casual fan, but also not one of the doom and gloom Sox fans either .... I guess I'm a passionate, level headed Sox fan, a rare breed.

    Listening now ...

    I'll give the spot this and admit this up front .... there are a lot of folks that have jumped on the bandwagon that really have no idea about the history, aren't "true", or rather, long standing fans, etc etc .... the number of fans I see in the stands in Oakland for a Sox series has at least doubled since I moved here in 2004. (and the Oakland fans hatred for us has gone up 100x) ... There are so many more Sox hats I see around San Fran ... it's pretty amazing. When I moved out here, it was about 2 Yankees hats to every Sox hat I saw. It's now about 3 to 1 in the Sox advantage ... no doubt many band wagoners out here.

    Now, the radio spot .... the statement "90% morons, 10% real fans" ... it wasn't even a 90/10 split of the interviews they played, maybe 50/50. And you know they hand picked the interviews which were aired. No doubt, there were a lot of smart folks that wouldn't make their point that they conveniently omitted. Just like most sports talk radio, it's done to create a stong response, and far from good reporting. I *loathe* sports talk radio, and it's a shame that ESPN is essentially becomming just that.

    Oh, the 17 year old guy that JUST bought the shirt at Champs who's from Detroit .... c'mon he just wanted to get laid, don't blame that poor guy, or even think of lumping him in with "Sox fans".

    The point is true ... people love to knock down who ever is on top ... it's how we view sports teams, it's how we view celebrities ... it's why there are so many TV shows based around embarassment of others on these days .... people like to see other people fail, especially if they have been successful.

    Finally ... the interviewer asked the question "Who hit the homerun in game 7 of the 1978 ALCS series for the Yankees that knocked the Sox out of the playoffs" (answer: Bucky Dent) ... he's the fucking idiot ... that was a one game playoff to determine the AL East champ ... the Sox and Yanks tied in the standings after the regular season (like the Rockies and Padres last year) it was not a series, it was NOT a game seven. Idiot.


    It's the same way with the Yankees. At an old job in a sports newsroom, we used to have "Yankees roundtable" and we determined that if someone who was a reasonable age (20s-30s) could name 50 Yankees from 1989-1995, then they were a fan as those were the years before everyone jumped on the bandwagon.
    Reading 2004
    Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
    Chicago 2007
    Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
    Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
    Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
    Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
    Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
    Fenway 2, 2018
    MSG 2022
    St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
    MSG 2024, MSG 2024
    Philadelphia 2024
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    Things happen in the game. Nothing you
    can do. I don't go and say,
    "I'm gonna beat this guy up."
  • sennin
    sennin Posts: 2,146
    jimed14 wrote:
    honeslty, no I wouldn't. It's not the team, it's the bit, it's just not that funny. Again, this is just schticky ... but, bad schtick. Maybe it would be funnier with video? But it's the same thing as Jay Leno doing stupid street interviews.

    I have many good friends that are Yankee fans, there's no blanket hatred for them from me ....... just for some of their players (and people who respect Paul O'Neill ... gag).

    Who said anything about a blanket of hatred? Aren't you the one taking it a bit too personal? It's just a funny razzing....aimed at bandwagon fans, not Red Sox fans.

    ....and I'm with you an O'Neill, lol. Ever since 1995, the Mariner's and Yankee's have a little rivalry (mostly on our end...since we haven't won anything).
  • jimed14
    jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    sennin wrote:
    Who said anything about a blanket of hatred? Aren't you the one taking it a bit too personal? It's just a funny razzing....aimed at bandwagon fans, not Red Sox fans.

    ....and I'm with you an O'Neill, lol. Ever since 1995, the Mariner's and Yankee's have a little rivalry (mostly on our end...since we haven't won anything).

    You said if it were about Yankee fans, then I'd find it funny ... but, I'm just saying, no, I wouldn't ... maybe smoene that just blindly hates the Yankees and their fans may, but that's not me.

    I don't think I'm taking it personal if I've admitted that some of the points in these little sketches are true, like "Yankees Suck" or the huge increase in badwagon fans over the past few years. Again ... I just didn't think it was funny, more a comment on the style of the bit then on the team they chose it do it for.
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

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  • myhook
    myhook Posts: 284
    sennin wrote:
    http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/SEATTLE-WA/KJR-AM/Mitch_080529_Bunker%20and%20Red%20Sox%20nation.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=SEATTLE-WA&NG_FORMAT=sports&SITE_ID=645&STATION_ID=KJR-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=Mitch_In_The_Morning&PCAST_CAT=Entertainment&PCAST_TITLE=Mitch_In_The_Morning_OnDemand

    Yesterday we showed you where Red Sox Nation came from ... today we show you just how much these LONGTIME Red Sox fans know about there team.

    Go Sox!
    These clips are actually pretty funny but you can do that with any team that has a few winning seasons in a row.
    Hey, you wouldn't hire a clown to fix a leak in the jon so why do you let these hooligans tear down the biz? YEEAAHHH. I don't care if he is Mr. Notorious BIG, can he croon?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    The Sox really blow right now, and its depressing. But hey ... What do the Mariners really have to look forward to? Eric Bedarded, and maybe Ichiro finally learning English.
  • brainofjb
    brainofjb Boston Posts: 381
    LongRd. wrote:
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    GOOD ONE!!!!!!

    Now that is a douchebag!
    There's the moon asking to stay
    Long enough for the clouds to fly me away
  • kh65
    kh65 Posts: 946
    Can you all please direct your hate where it really belongs and that is on the Yankees.
    "If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room."

    Gambling=a taxation on stupidity.

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  • brainofjb
    brainofjb Boston Posts: 381
    hoopinman wrote:
    I just hate Boston fans who think becuase they now have won two World Series after not winning jack for 86 years theat they are Gods gift to baseball...its liek Dallas fans thinnking the Cowboys are "Americas Team" Its not boston people hate...its the Mass-hole fans we all hate


    and for the record...in baseball one run wins the game...who cares how it happens???(our pitcher was hurt is just a lame excuse)when you suck as bad as Seattle.....they get up for that kind of stuff....cmon...being a Red Sox fan you should know that, right???? Its not liek you have been thew cream of the crop for 89 years! hahaha


    hey, I know the one run deal, all I am saying is it wasnt the BEST Victory.
    THe pitching thing is not just a total excuse. I think that was his first loss.

    SOrry, but I am just sick of ppl ripping on the sox and the fans
    for years we had to listen to if from the YANKS fans
    and we finally win and we are proud. We now have to listen to all the jealousy hatred.
    NOt all of Red SOx Nation is the same. WE are not all obnoxious or rude ppl.
    We love sports here in boston
    . We stuck by our team for a very long time and were very proud of those WS wins!

    not all fans would have stuck by a team for that long!

    ps
    I hate the pink hats!!!!!
    There's the moon asking to stay
    Long enough for the clouds to fly me away
  • roar
    roar Posts: 1,116
    brainofjb wrote:
    NOt all of Red SOx Nation is the same. WE are not all obnoxious or rude ppl.
    We love sports here in boston
    . We stuck by our team for a very long time and were very proud of those WS wins!
    not all fans would have stuck by a team for that long!

    note: they aren't saying all of "Red Sox Nation" is the same. They're calling out the droves of bandwagoners at Safeco Field that give real Red Sox fans a bad name. I think you'd agree that WS wins should make you proud but not give you the right to be obnoxious.
  • kh65
    kh65 Posts: 946
    roar wrote:
    note: they aren't saying all of "Red Sox Nation" is the same. They're calling out the droves of bandwagoners at Safeco Field that give real Red Sox fans a bad name. I think you'd agree that WS wins should make you proud but not give you the right to be obnoxious.

    Where are those people from? I would bet they live in that area and are not living in the shadow of Fenway. Then I would agree those people just want to follow a winner around. It makes them feel better about their pathetic little lives.
    "If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much room."

    Gambling=a taxation on stupidity.

    Remember, you can walk anywhere, as long as you have the time.

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  • brainofjb
    brainofjb Boston Posts: 381
    roar wrote:
    note: they aren't saying all of "Red Sox Nation" is the same. They're calling out the droves of bandwagoners at Safeco Field that give real Red Sox fans a bad name. I think you'd agree that WS wins should make you proud but not give you the right to be obnoxious.

    I know that but lately there have been alot of post about obnoxious Boston ppl.
    just wanted to state that we are not all the same
    although, I am sure you know that.


    I hate bandwagon jumpers as well
    ESP the CEltic ones. Now it is so hard to go to a game :(
    There's the moon asking to stay
    Long enough for the clouds to fly me away
  • hoopinman
    hoopinman Posts: 294
    brainofjb wrote:
    e are proud. We now have to listen to all the jealousy hatred.
    NOt all of Red SOx Nation is the same. WE are not all obnoxious or rude ppl.
    We love sports here in boston
    . We stuck by our team for a very long time and were very proud of those WS wins!

    not all fans would have stuck by a team for that long!


    I bet if the Cubs go to the World Series and win....it wont be nearly as bad as Red Sox Nation

    they dont call you guys Mass-holes for nothing, right?????

    Not all of you, I agree....but the bad apples spoil the bunch
  • Pearls&Stones
    Pearls&Stones Posts: 585
    ...about the interview, what's with the bashing of the pink hats and jerseys?


    My wife looks damn good in her pink Pittsburgh Penguins jersey and she is definitely a real fan.
    I love my female wife...
    we sit around and wonder exactly why our marriage should feel threatened by gay marriage
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    hoopinman wrote:
    I bet if the Cubs go to the World Series and win....it wont be nearly as bad as Red Sox Nation

    they dont call you guys Mass-holes for nothing, right?????

    Not all of you, I agree....but the bad apples spoil the bunch

    I disagree, they will be some Cubbies that will drink and get out of hand. that's the way it is in American sports espcially with a team like the Cubs who haven't won in a few years.

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  • samick
    samick Posts: 373
    brainofjb wrote:
    back to the "everyone hating Boston sports teams"

    The Red sox win 2 World Series after many many years and are HATED?
    I dont get it

    SO many ppl were cheering them on in 04 and now the Sox and RS Nation are Hated?
    Cracks me up!

    oh and didnt you win both games by 1 run? Didnt our Pitcher leave hurt? I would call those GREAT Victorys


    I think it's more about people hating the boston sports fans for being the loud, Chest thumping........and annoying fans that most of them are...........So while we're at it...............18-1.........that humble pie must taste good with a side of crow
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    samick wrote:
    I think it's more about people hating the boston sports fans for being the loud, Chest thumping........and annoying fans that most of them are...........So while we're at it...............18-1.........that humble pie must taste good with a side of crow

    It's ALL good, It's ALL good. :)

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • rockford
    rockford Posts: 151
    As I listen to this, I remember a lot of the `culture shock' as I moved from Boston to Seattle in 2002. My first game at Safeco I got to see Derek Lowe in his dominant starter days vs Jamie Moyer in a better seat than I had ever gotten at Fenway. I remember being amazed at actually being able to call pitches and balls and strikes from row ~15.

    In Seattle, there's a giant screen television that tells fans when to cheer. ("Ichiro is fast!", "Raauuuuul", and bullshit like that). At Fenway, the fans just *know* when to cheer. They know the back stories, they know when Manny Ramirez is about to hit his 500th HR, and even smaller things like when a player just broke an 0-16 slump. At Fenway, watching a game is about the *game*, not about the Mariner Moose shooting tshirts or the boat races between innings. There's a virtue in having a tiny stadium where only the `hardcore' can receive season tickets, or even attend most games.

    Seattle fans don't pay attention in the same way, and are actually quite contented to just have team that's only pretty good. 10 games over 500 is a great season here, regardless of making the playoffs.. That's the biggest difference.

    Ain't it interesting how few fairweather fans the 116 win season won over across the country?
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    This is the only Nation I belong to..... http://www.slurpee.com/

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • brainofjb
    brainofjb Boston Posts: 381
    samick wrote:
    I think it's more about people hating the boston sports fans for being the loud, Chest thumping........and annoying fans that most of them are...........So while we're at it...............18-1.........that humble pie must taste good with a side of crow

    Not really! we had the best season!
    one lucky catch doesnt ruin that for me sorry!



    I think more obnoxious ppl are the ones who HATE ppl that they dont even know.
    There's the moon asking to stay
    Long enough for the clouds to fly me away
  • ryan198
    ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    Is it fair to hate a group of people if you spent a season following them around, observing, then writing a dissertation on them? If it is then I hate Red Sox Nation.

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