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Greg Maddux

mca47mca47 Posts: 13,291
edited April 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
One of the greatest of alltime. Greg Maddux is nothing short of amazing. 22 years+ (or so) in the bigs and perhaps the most humble, most realistic player in the history of baseball.

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The man is a pitching genius!

My alltime favorite baseball player. He said he will retire after this year but I hope he goes for 400!
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  • PJamGrunge10PJamGrunge10 California Posts: 596
    I've always enjoyed watching him pitch. Crazy movement on that fastball of his.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    His pitching skills are an art, not a physical endeavor.
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  • rearviewmirorrearviewmiror Posts: 894
    I always liked him, but he never could win the big game. He's a good guy and he knows more about pitching than almost anyone alive, but the Braves of the 90's only having one title can thank him for that lack of success when it counted.
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  • Flannel ShirtFlannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    rearviewmiror wrote:
    I always liked him, but he never could win the big game. He's a good guy and he knows more about pitching than almost anyone alive, but the Braves of the 90's only having one title can thank him for that lack of success when it counted.
    he is 11-13 with a 3.14 era in the postseason with 5 no decisions. cant blame him for that. 3.14 in the post season against those american league teams in the 90's? his teams have never had offense. that was his only problem (not even his problem) and its why he doesnt have 400 yet.

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  • markymark550markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,158
    As a big Braves fan, I can't blame Maddux for not producing more than 1 World Series title. I blame most of that on the offense and bullpen. Once it got to postseason play, it was a given that either the offense would stop producing at some point or the bullpen was going to blow leads and lose games. Besides, how can you blame one person when twenty-four other guys are just as much at fault?
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    Maddux was the only guy I've ever seen who could toss complete-game shutouts with a pitch count in the 80s or low 90s. His ability to effectively pitch to contact was incredible. Too bad he played in an era when no player is immune to questions of legitimacy. I don't think he ever did any PED, but he played during a time when a cloud of suspicion hangs over every major leaguer. It's too bad.
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  • yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Definitely one of the greatest players of all time.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    Maddux was the only guy I've ever seen who could toss complete-game shutouts with a pitch count in the 80s or low 90s. His ability to effectively pitch to contact was incredible. Too bad he played in an era when no player is immune to questions of legitimacy. I don't think he ever did any PED, but he played during a time when a cloud of suspicion hangs over every major leaguer. It's too bad.
    I don't think that the stench of steroids will cling to Maddux...one, just look at that sculptured body of his. ;) Two, power was not part of his game. Like his former teammate Tom Glavine, his game was all about location and control.
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  • adam42381adam42381 Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,505
    Maddux is definitely one of the all-time greats. He never had the blazing, overpowering fastball that most dominant pitchers have so he made up for it with incredible movement and remarkable control. Possibly the smartest pitcher of all time.
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  • pjtradekingpjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    Maddux was the only guy I've ever seen who could toss complete-game shutouts with a pitch count in the 80s or low 90s. His ability to effectively pitch to contact was incredible. Too bad he played in an era when no player is immune to questions of legitimacy. I don't think he ever did any PED, but he played during a time when a cloud of suspicion hangs over every major leaguer. It's too bad.

    There is NO CLOUD that will ever be hanging over his head no matter what era he played in. He could possibly be a UNANIMOUS choice when it comes to the vote. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER a question on him being tainted in any way shape or form. Never been a bad thing said about the guy by anyone from ANY era. Wont matter...He is going to be(already is) considered one of the best EVER!

    As for complete games....About 10 years ago, he threw a 72 pitch COMPLETE game shutouot against the Cubs. It was AMAZING to watch...The guy is a WITCH when it comes to movement! My FAV player EVER!! Could pitch another 5-6 years if he wanted too...I hope he atleast goes for 375..That said......As long as he passes that fuck Clemens, I will be happy...You want tainted....look at him....;)
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  • pjtradekingpjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    he is 11-13 with a 3.14 era in the postseason with 5 no decisions. cant blame him for that. 3.14 in the post season against those american league teams in the 90's? his teams have never had offense. that was his only problem (not even his problem) and its why he doesnt have 400 yet.

    greatest of all time.

    Couldnt agree more....He would DEF already have 400 if he had any run support...He has SO MANY no decisions because of either no offense, or a bad bullpen it is crazy!! Should have won 5 CY's in a row...Got robbed on #5 imho....
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  • NewmanUSPSNewmanUSPS Posts: 243
    OK, 1994 and 1995 seasons. combined 35-8 with era's of 1.56 and 1.63. That is totally rediculous. No pitcher has even sniffed that type of dominance in recent memory. He's the best.
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  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,291
    pjtradeking wrote:
    Couldnt agree more....He would DEF already have 400 if he had any run support...He has SO MANY no decisions because of either no offense, or a bad bullpen it is crazy!! Should have won 5 CY's in a row...Got robbed on #5 imho....

    Yep, just think of all those years he was on the Cubs!! Had he been on a better team he would have a TON more wins too. I'm a die-hard Cubs fan and I'll admit it. Can't tell you how many times he'd pitch a 4 hit 1 run game only to have some no-named pitcher come in and look like an allstar against a crappy Cubs offense.

    Oh well...
    He's def. one of the best ever!
  • pjtradekingpjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    NewmanUSPS wrote:
    OK, 1994 and 1995 seasons. combined 35-8 with era's of 1.56 and 1.63. That is totally rediculous. No pitcher has even sniffed that type of dominance in recent memory. He's the best.

    Still cant believe the Cubs let him go after 94.....Who lets a guy like that go AND in a Cy Young year?????? Oh yeah...THE CUBBIES!!! hahahaha...;)
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Don't forget all them Gold Gloves either. :cool:
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  • Flannel ShirtFlannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    NewmanUSPS wrote:
    OK, 1994 and 1995 seasons. combined 35-8 with era's of 1.56 and 1.63. That is totally rediculous. No pitcher has even sniffed that type of dominance in recent memory. He's the best.
    I have to defend my boy Pedro from 1997-2003. He was about as dominat as anyone has ever been in baseball history.

    Not trying to take anything away from a Maddux thread, just refreshing your memory. :)

    I would argue that what makes Maddux and Pedro so special is that they did what they did DURING the steroid era when everyone was batting 300 and the #9 guys were hitting at least 20 dingers.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,228
    mca47 wrote:
    One of the greatest of alltime. Greg Maddux is nothing short of amazing. 22 years+ (or so) in the bigs and perhaps the most humble, most realistic player in the history of baseball.

    If you are are fan of baseball, you have to read this... Great read! http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3336514


    The man is a pitching genius!

    My alltime favorite baseball player. He said he will retire after this year but I hope he goes for 400!


    Great read thank you for sharing.
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  • butterfly1butterfly1 Posts: 372
    Clemens=Mitchell Report
    Maddux=No hint of scandal

    Will it make a difference in history--you bet. The era makes his accomplishments more remarkable. Hes a major dude.
  • pjtradekingpjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    tybird wrote:
    Don't forget all them Gold Gloves either. :cool:

    I was about to bring that up too. Hasnt he won 19 of the last 20??? And the one he didnt get, he SHOULD have!

    And his CONTROL......Not sure if it was 98 or 99...He pitched over 220 innings, and walked 20 guys the WHOLE YEAR, and 6 of those were intentional!

    3000 k's is pretty impressive as well when you think he not a power pitcher....Just a simply amazing career, imho.....And so humble....:)
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  • rearviewmirorrearviewmiror Posts: 894
    I always liked Glavine better. So I am biased.

    They were a good combo and the bullpens and bats let them down, but I always felt that the other team's ace was a notch better than Maddux in the big games.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,228
    rearviewmiror wrote:
    I always liked Glavine better. So I am biased.

    They were a good combo and the bullpens and bats let them down, but I always felt that the other team's ace was a notch better than Maddux in the big games.


    I always saw them in this order
    Maddux
    Smoltz
    Glavine

    Either way quite a threesome. all three will go into the hall of fame how the braves only got 1 WS win is amazing.
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  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,291
    tybird wrote:
    Don't forget all them Gold Gloves either. :cool:

    Yeah, not only is it fun to watch him pitch but to see him field his position...wow!
    I think it was 2 games ago there was a ball that he went diving for, snagged it and got up and gunned the guy out at first. He's done it his whole career, and he's STILL doing it at the age of 42! Unreal!
  • pjtradekingpjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    intodeep wrote:
    I always saw them in this order
    Maddux
    Smoltz
    Glavine

    Either way quite a threesome. all three will go into the hall of fame how the braves only got 1 WS win is amazing.

    And I beleive Smoltz is only 14 k's away from 3000....WOW!! What a trio indeed. Would be VERY cool if they all went in together the same year as Braves...Assuming Maddux doesnt pitch another 3-4 years, which as long as he is being productive and not hurting his team and getting 12-15 wins, I think he will.....
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  • Surf RiderSurf Rider Posts: 813
    Maddux is 2-0 to start the season. Hurry up Greg and pass Clemens. I think Clemens was staying around trying to outlast Maddux, now Greg has him by the balls. With a great season, like 18 - 8 or something, I think he'll be back for another year. As for the steriod talk, are you kidding me, who in there right mind thinks Greg Maddux took steriods? Maddux will be considered greater because he pitched against these physically enhanced goons. Remember the juiced ball era he was so dominate also, look at his ERA from 92 to 97. WOW, the man was the greatest of my time.
  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,228
    PJAMEDVED wrote:
    Maddux is 2-0 to start the season. Hurry up Greg and pass Clemens. I think Clemens was staying around trying to outlast Maddux, now Greg has him by the balls. With a great season, like 18 - 8 or something, I think he'll be back for another year. As for the steriod talk, are you kidding me, who in there right mind thinks Greg Maddux took steriods? Maddux will be considered greater because he pitched against these physically enhanced goons. Remember the juiced ball era he was so dominate also, look at his ERA from 92 to 97. WOW, the man was the greatest of my time.

    I would agree that as of now and considering the recent developments with Clemons that maddux probably is the greatest of this generation.
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