you're right though, the dems have been pretty hopeless and foundering these past few years. but can you blame them? how confusing must it be to be a dem right now? you're damned no matter what you do, and you cannot win even with your own supporters. you try to take some steps towards a compromise solution and your own supporters destroy your for selling out or compromising too much. you take a hard line that nobody in america will accept and your supporters tear you apart for not getting anything done. it's lose-lose for them. it's no wonder they've thrown in the towel.
but you can't blame people on the so-called "left" ... just because those on the "right" will vote for whoever is in there regardless doesn't mean those on the "left" should ...
the democrats have been absolutely useless the last 8 years ... they have not done anything to hold this administration accountable for anything ...
what this is is the same tired rhetoric from hipster leftists who want to talk about sticking it to the man in between bong rips and concert tickets paid for by their parents or their job as professional protesters.
If this proves anything, it's that the right has awful grammatical skills.
is punctuation considered grammar?
just askin'...
and while we may acknowledge the differences between right and left...or simply between parties since many do not consider the dems 'left' anymore in any case......what to do, what to do? who can come in and fix this, for lack of a better term...to wake up the party that they are indeed the engineers of their own destruction?
it IS ridiculously sad. i truly wanted al gore to become president. i think he would've made an excellent president. i thought he'd have it in the bag. apparently i was horribly mistaken, and it is due to many gaffes made...so wtf....where is the learning curve here?
and on that note....have a good evening all, my workday is quickly, happily, coming to a close. until tomorrow.....:)
i was one of those liberals. i campaigned for nader in 2000. i saw the people making these arguments. hell i used the "im not voting lesser of two evils" argument myself! that's not what this is about. if ralph nader was running for the dems, these same people backing him now would be ripping him apart for his stock portfolio or the fact that the dems get money from companies. it's not about issues as much as it is about posturing and bucking the status quo. these folks fancy themselves 60s style hippies in the new millenium, and it's just sad.
but the disagreement is my point. these people will not accept disagreement. unless the candidate has a platform cribbed from che guevera, they will not be happy. they could diagree 100% with mccain, agree with obama 75%, and will still vote for nader (who they, when they really think about it, only agree 75% with too) just because they act like they could NEVER support the election of someone who disagrees with them on that 25%. in doing so, they fuck this country over by refusing to elect someone who would truly do the country some good because they've taken a more nuanced view of their pet issue.
but maybe that's the point. maybe they like having dubya and mccain in office for the same reason terrorists love us being iraq. makes it easy to whine and complain and blame the bad guys without having to have any responsibility for what's happening.
very well put.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
i really like to think of my experiences as helpful in understand the sociology of this.
did you campaign for nader in 2000? do you have these experiences to compare to what you see happening now? what were you, 12 during that election? i know you want to think you're part of something special and unique right now, but that's not the case. this is the exact same rhetoric and nonsense that i was responsible for promoting 8 years ago.
lol
"part of something special and unique right now"
again, more assumptions from you. I don't feel part of something special and unique supporting Obama right now, at all.
and cheap insults mean shit, I was young in 2000, didn't stop me from campaigning, especially since my family was one of the biggest contributors to a candidate, and no, it wasn't Nader.
to say it's "nonsense" is ridiculous. personally, the people I know who support Nader would also support him if he were the Democratic candidate. they aren't just against the 2-party system, they're against the fact that we're left to choose between 2 candidates they don't like. surprisingly, they don't agree with obama on 95% of his policies. In fact, I support Obama and I probably don't even agree with 75% of his policies, it just takes some more than others.
you can't call it nonsense, the idea is certainly a great one.
maybe you had some shitty friends or something, but I know plenty of people who don't fit your pathetic stereotype.
but you can't blame people on the so-called "left" ... just because those on the "right" will vote for whoever is in there regardless doesn't mean those on the "left" should ...
the democrats have been absolutely useless the last 8 years ... they have not done anything to hold this administration accountable for anything ...
exactly. just because the "left" isn't willing to accept whatever they throw at us doesn't mean they should feel any blame for doing so.
I thought the "left" was all about preaching for who you truly want.
If this proves anything, it's that the right has awful grammatical skills.
This was a general statement anyway how can you judge what side i am based on that comment? Maybe i'm conservative maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm independent.
This was a general statement anyway how can you judge what side i am based on that comment? Maybe i'm conservative maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm independent.
liberals on the left are tired of war and the rich-favoring tax policies of the last 8 years and corporate abuse and favoritism and so on and so forth.
See - these are the unchallenged statements that the left needs to think about. Do the tax policies REALLY favor the rich? I mean, REALLY? When the rich are taxed at much, much, much higher rates than those less rich, the tax policies aren't favoring them.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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but you can't blame people on the so-called "left" ... just because those on the "right" will vote for whoever is in there regardless doesn't mean those on the "left" should ...
the democrats have been absolutely useless the last 8 years ... they have not done anything to hold this administration accountable for anything ...
Hilarious!
If this proves anything, it's that the right has awful grammatical skills.
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
is punctuation considered grammar?
just askin'...
and while we may acknowledge the differences between right and left...or simply between parties since many do not consider the dems 'left' anymore in any case......what to do, what to do? who can come in and fix this, for lack of a better term...to wake up the party that they are indeed the engineers of their own destruction?
it IS ridiculously sad. i truly wanted al gore to become president. i think he would've made an excellent president. i thought he'd have it in the bag. apparently i was horribly mistaken, and it is due to many gaffes made...so wtf....where is the learning curve here?
and on that note....have a good evening all, my workday is quickly, happily, coming to a close. until tomorrow.....:)
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
very well put.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
"part of something special and unique right now"
again, more assumptions from you. I don't feel part of something special and unique supporting Obama right now, at all.
and cheap insults mean shit, I was young in 2000, didn't stop me from campaigning, especially since my family was one of the biggest contributors to a candidate, and no, it wasn't Nader.
to say it's "nonsense" is ridiculous. personally, the people I know who support Nader would also support him if he were the Democratic candidate. they aren't just against the 2-party system, they're against the fact that we're left to choose between 2 candidates they don't like. surprisingly, they don't agree with obama on 95% of his policies. In fact, I support Obama and I probably don't even agree with 75% of his policies, it just takes some more than others.
you can't call it nonsense, the idea is certainly a great one.
maybe you had some shitty friends or something, but I know plenty of people who don't fit your pathetic stereotype.
I thought the "left" was all about preaching for who you truly want.
I didn(apostrophe)t feel like throwing in apostrophes dickless.
Yes it's true this man has no dick.
Ghostbusters.
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
This was a general statement anyway how can you judge what side i am based on that comment? Maybe i'm conservative maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm independent.
Maybe the Yankees suck.
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
See - these are the unchallenged statements that the left needs to think about. Do the tax policies REALLY favor the rich? I mean, REALLY? When the rich are taxed at much, much, much higher rates than those less rich, the tax policies aren't favoring them.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.