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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    What a bunch of fucking morons.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,348
    i'm surprized it took this long for something like this to pop up considering how long palin has been feeding misstrust to the public .....and i bet this is not the end of these plots ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • i'm surprized it took this long for something like this to pop up considering how long palin has been feeding misstrust to the public .....and i bet this is not the end of these plots ...

    I just hope he is okay.
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  • they sure were picky about the exact numbers. i bet they bragged about it to everyone they know.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,348
    I just hope he is okay.


    yeah no doubt ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mammasan wrote:
    What a bunch of fucking morons.

    Also in breaking news... a different fucking moron:

    Jury: Stevens guilty on seven counts
    By: John Bresnahan
    October 27, 2008 04:35 PM EST

    Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) was convicted today on seven counts of failing to report more than $250,000 in improper gifts he received from 1999 to 2006, a stunning blow to a political career that has lasted more than 40 years and marked Alaska’s entire history as a part of the United States.

    Stevens, 84, now faces a question over whether he will resign, and if he does not, whether he can win reelection Nov. 4 in an already tough race. At first, Stevens showed no emotion, holding his stomach as verdict was read. But a few minutes later, it seemed to sink in as Stevens sat quietly, hunched over with his hands covering his face. Stevens, visibly shaken, did not take any questions as he quickly slipped out a side door of the federal courthouse and left in a white van.

    Stevens could also be sentenced to as much as five years in federal prison, although considering his age and lack of previous convictions, is unlikely to receive anywhere near the maximum sentence. Stevens’ sentencing hearing is scheduled for Feb. 25, and Stevens' attorneys have already told Judge Emmet Sullivan they would file motions to overturn the verdict by early December.

    Stevens could also appeal the decision, but would likely to have to pay a heavy political price for such a move. Alaska’s Democratic Party has already called on Stevens to resign.

    “Senator Stevens’ felony convictions are very serious and he should immediately resign from the Senate,” Democratic Party Chairwoman Patti Higgins said. “He knew what he was doing was wrong, he did it anyway and liked to Alaskans about it. Alaskans deserve better from their public officials, it’s time for us to elect an ethical and honest senator who will move this state forward.”

    The conviction came after a tumultuous week in the jury room. First there were complaints about an unruly juror, then another had to be replaced when she left Washington following the death of her father. Finally, jurors on Monday discovered a discrepancy in the indictment that had been overlooked by prosecutors. Jury deliberations in this historic trial have at times been as contentious as some of the proceedings

    The Justice Department indicted Stevens on July 29, and Stevens took a huge legal gamble and asked for a speedy trial in order to resolve the charges before Election Day. Judge Sullivan complied with Stevens’ request, and in less than three months from the time of his indictment, Stevens was found guilty.

    The verdict, which followed a month-long trial, puts into serious doubt Stevens’ political career, as well as his 40-year tenure in the Senate.

    Stevens was seeking a seventh full term as in the Senate – he was first appointed in 1968 – and wanted to clear his name before he had to go before voters. With today’s guilty verdict, Democrat Mark Begich, Stevens’ opponent, will get a huge political boost, and make it that much more likely that he will unseat Stevens.

    And even if he wins reelection, Stevens could face an expulsion from the Senate. Of the four sitting senators who were convicted of crimes while in office, only one — Sen. Truman Newberry (R-Mich.) — continued to serve after being found guilty, and he was eventually hounded out of office in 1922 by senators seeking his expulsion.

    The verdict was also a huge win for the Justice Department, especially Brenda Morris, the lead prosecutor in the case, and her team of lawyers and investigators. Even investigating a lawmaker of Stevens’ standing and reputation was a risky proposition, much less indicting and convicting him. Justice Deptartment officials, however, insist that they are willing to take on any public-corruption case, no matter who is involved, and today’s verdict will certainly buttress that claim.

    The heart of the government’s case against Stevens centered on the nearly total overhaul of Stevens’ home in Girdwood, Alaska, during 2000-2001. Bill Allen, a close Stevens’ friend and former CEO of VECO Corp., an Alaska oil-field services company, paid for much of the renovation work and used VECO employees to carry it out. That work cost more than $180,000, and Stevens never paid for it or reported it on his annual financial disclosure forms..

    But Stevens claimed he paid more than $160,000 to other contractors for the home renovation project. He also said that any VECO employees working on the remodeling were not working for VECO, but rather were employed by him.

    Stevens and his wife, Catherine Stevens, said she handled the couple’s finances and the senator was not closely involved in the remodeling.

    After some prosecutorial missteps early in the trial that almost led to the dismissal of the charges or a mistrial, the pivotal moment in the proceedings appeared to come when Stevens and his wife took the stand. Both told disjointed stories that failed to follow a cohesive narrative, and prosecutors were able to dissect their claims during cross-examination.

    Stevens, in particular, was argumentative and crotchety when questioned by prosecutors, and his testimony failed to convince the jury that he was an innocent man.

    "This case has been a long time coming," Morris during her closing comments to the jury. "This trial has exposed the truth about one of the longest-sitting senators.”
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  • I just hope he is okay.
    who obama? they didnt eve make it past step one of their foolproof plan.
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    i'm surprized it took this long for something like this to pop up considering how long palin has been feeding misstrust to the public .....and i bet this is not the end of these plots ...

    I don't think either of these guys needed any prodding from any politician. I may not like Palin as a candidate for national office, and I do think the McCain camp has tried to divide because they're down, but it's tough to blame them for this. These guys are neo-Nazis.
    "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
  • PJ_SalukiPJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    MrSmith wrote:
    who obama? they didnt eve make it past step one of their foolproof plan.

    Which is strange because usually these guys are criminal masterminds. :D

    What a couple of morons.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,348
    PJ_Saluki wrote:
    I don't think either of these guys needed any prodding from any politician. I may not like Palin as a candidate for national office, and I do think the McCain camp has tried to divide because they're down, but it's tough to blame them for this. These guys are neo-Nazis.

    i should of stated it different i'm not blaming her for this ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    My understanding is that the ultimate goal was to kill Obama, after killing a bunch of other people first. This is quite delusional and insane, and less of a cold calculated assassination plot that might actually have a chance of succeeding.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    It appears as though he is wearing lipstick.
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 3,965
    sponger wrote:
    It appears as though he is wearing lipstick.
    Good eye! It does indeed. :)
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  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    "Cowart." What an appropriate last name. :D
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    sponger wrote:
    It appears as though he is wearing lipstick.
    ...
    and eye make-up (guess it's the glasses). Like an Emo Skinhead Nazi.
    ...
    and yeah... a great way to fly below the radar... MySpace.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,673
    I have a friend whos husband works for the secret service and according to her we have NO idea how often this occurs in general and probably more so now because of this election
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  • mickeyrat wrote:
    I have a friend whos husband works for the secret service and according to her we have NO idea how often this occurs in general and probably more so now because of this election



    I honestly have no doubt that this is a regular occurrence. Bush made it through so hopefully nothing will happen.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I honestly have no doubt that this is a regular occurrence. Bush made it through so hopefully nothing will happen.
    ...
    No one was crazy enough to even think about going after Bush. The spectre of a President Cheney was enough to scare the holy shit out of even the most psychotic in the world community.
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    No one was crazy enough to even think about going after Bush. The spectre of a President Cheney was enough to scare the holy shit out of even the most psychotic in the world community.


    Haha. Good point.
  • It annoys that skinhead has become synonymous with fascism in the media, even though the vast majority of skinheads now and for the past forty years have been either apolitical or leftists.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    I think it has a lot to do with the environment they grow up in. I'm not "pure" ayrian, but in southern california more than most others places in the US, people like me don't stand out at all.

    But, when I was in high school, this skinhead guy transferred to my school from some other state. He couldn't get over the fact that I was hanging out with his white friends, and soon we were trading fists in the park until a security guard broke it up.

    But, we became really good friends after that. He even told me that he himself had never really fully understood the neo-nazi movement, and that it was the thing to do in whatever backwater state he was from.

    And because of that experience alone, I always keep in the back of my mind the possibility that there is a liberal treehugger trapped inside of every fascist.
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