Something I've noticed...

kh65kh65 Posts: 946
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
Even when presented with black and white facts. My left wing friends will never admit they were wrong if it doesn't fit into their feel good, let's make the world a better place view. What's up with that? I would listen to what you had to say if for once you would say things like, "yeah that was wrong, we fucked up."
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    kh65 wrote:
    Even when presented with black and white facts. My left wing friends will never admit they were wrong if it doesn't fit into their feel good, let's make the world a better place view. What's up with that? I would listen to what you had to say if for once you would say things like, "yeah that was wrong, we fucked up."

    There are stubborn people in all walks of life.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    same goes for many regarding the Israel/Palestine issue.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    spyguy wrote:
    same goes for many regarding the Israel/Palestine issue.
    you love to criticize but offer nothing in return.

    still waiting for your response in that thread.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    _outlaw wrote:
    you love to criticize but offer nothing in return.

    still waiting for your response in that thread.

    i'm always suspicious of those who recently join a board for a band and only posts in a politics section ... :)
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    polaris wrote:
    i'm always suspicious of those who recently join a board for a band and only posts in a politics section ... :)

    I'm no stranger to political message boards. like I said before, I have over 20000 posts on another board. I'm going to a eddie show with a friend soon and he told me to check out this board cuz it gets a good amount of action.
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    you love to criticize but offer nothing in return.

    still waiting for your response in that thread.

    I did respond.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    spyguy wrote:
    I did respond.
    nope.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    spyguy wrote:
    I'm no stranger to political message boards. like I said before, I have over 20000 posts on another board. I'm going to a eddie show with a friend soon and he told me to check out this board cuz it gets a good amount of action.

    I have to agree with your friend. There are a lot of political message boards out there, but you get a wide spectrum of all beliefs on this board, and there's never a shortage of Ron Paul, 9/11 Conspiracy, Obama hating, Anti-Israel threads on this board. Hope you're into that sort of shit.

    If so, this is the right place for you
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    I have to agree with your friend. There are a lot of political message boards out there, but you get a wide spectrum of all beliefs on this board, and there's never a shortage of Ron Paul, 9/11 Conspiracy, Obama hating, Anti-Israel threads on this board. Hope you're into that sort of shit.

    If so, this is the right place for you

    nice. I hate Obama, I love me some RP old man balls, Bush is 100% directly responsible for 9/11, not to mention he personally planted bombs in WTC, and Israel needs to be wiped off the map. feels good to be home.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    kh65 wrote:
    Even when presented with black and white facts. My left wing friends will never admit they were wrong if it doesn't fit into their feel good, let's make the world a better place view. What's up with that? I would listen to what you had to say if for once you would say things like, "yeah that was wrong, we fucked up."

    that's a mighty big paint brush you're using...
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    You two say what you want about Ron Paul but the man is the only candidate who told it like it is.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • spyguyspyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    You two say what you want about Ron Paul but the man is the only candidate who told it like it is.

    I like RP. I'm glad he is in congress but personally I dont want him as president. good man though.
  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I have to agree with your friend. There are a lot of political message boards out there, but you get a wide spectrum of all beliefs on this board, and there's never a shortage of Ron Paul, 9/11 Conspiracy, Obama hating, Anti-Israel threads on this board. Hope you're into that sort of shit.

    If so, this is the right place for you

    Actually I've never seen anyone hating Obama or anyone who is " Anti-Israel".

    Although, there a lot of consporacy-related posts regarding many things and including 9/11. Ron Paul mentions are rather rare, really. Don't see much of that.
  • polaris wrote:
    i'm always suspicious of those who recently join a board for a band and only posts in a politics section ... :)


    I think more people Should discuss Eddie's hair....
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    kh65 wrote:
    Even when presented with black and white facts. My left wing friends will never admit they were wrong if it doesn't fit into their feel good, let's make the world a better place view. What's up with that? I would listen to what you had to say if for once you would say things like, "yeah that was wrong, we fucked up."
    LOL I totally agree with you. You should read Bill Oreilly's "Culture Warrior"
    He talks a lot about that.
    They are pure idiots.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    LOL I totally agree with you. You should read Bill Oreilly's "Culture Warrior"
    He talks a lot about that.
    They are pure idiots.

    Bill O'Reilly is the perfect example of a stubborn individual who can't admit he's wrong regardless how much proof is stacked up against him.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • acoustic guyacoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    mammasan wrote:
    Bill O'Reilly is the perfect example of a stubborn individual who can't admit he's wrong regardless how much proof is stacked up against him.
    No way. i have heard him many many times admit being wrong. he does it on the air.
    I don't understand why people don't like him,
    He calls out corrupt politicians and businessmen and helps put child molesters away for life. He protects what is right in America.
    You don't have to hate him b/c you don't agree with everything he says and does but his principals are correct.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    No way. i have heard him many many times admit being wrong. he does it on the air.
    I don't understand why people don't like him,
    He calls out corrupt politicians and businessmen and helps put child molesters away for life. He protects what is right in America.
    You don't have to hate him b/c you don't agree with everything he says and does but his principals are correct.
    Bill O'Reilly?!

    He is everything that is wrong with America.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    No way. i have heard him many many times admit being wrong. he does it on the air.
    I don't understand why people don't like him,
    He calls out corrupt politicians and businessmen and helps put child molesters away for life. He protects what is right in America.
    You don't have to hate him b/c you don't agree with everything he says and does but his principals are correct.

    I don't hate him because I disagree with him, I actually agree with him on some issues. I don't likehim because he is an ass. There has been many times when I was watching/listening to him when he has carried himself like a stubborn brat. He dismisses any other view point simply because it doesn't mat ch his.

    Lastly I'm not some fool who would dislike someone simply because we have different opinions. In fact I highly enjoy listening and interacting with people with differing opinions. It's interesting and I have learned a lot from these people.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't hate him because I disagree with him, I actually agree with him on some issues. I don't likehim because he is an ass. There has been many times when I was watching/listening to him when he has carried himself like a stubborn brat. He dismisses any other view point simply because it doesn't mat ch his.

    Lastly I'm not some fool who would dislike someone simply because we have different opinions. In fact I highly enjoy listening and interacting with people with differing opinions. It's interesting and I have learned a lot from these people.
    It also doesn't hurt to mention he's disgustingly racist and discriminatory.
  • kh65 wrote:
    Even when presented with black and white facts. My left wing friends will never admit they were wrong if it doesn't fit into their feel good, let's make the world a better place view. What's up with that? I would listen to what you had to say if for once you would say things like, "yeah that was wrong, we fucked up."

    They're ideologues. If you introduce a fact that does not jive with their ideology, they cannot compute. Instead, they revert to ideological statements such as "But have you seen how much ExxonMobil profited last quarter?" or "yeah, but Dick Cheney and Halliburton colluded to..." or "this is a NATION OF IMMIGRANTS, asshole! the only people who can be xenophobes are the NATIVE AMERICANS."

    Most liberals operate off of a grab-bag set of philosophies that have nothing to do with eachother. For example, a lot of liberals will tell you they support freedom for Tibet. Have you ever met a lib who didn't support that?

    And then, at the same time, they are adamantly opposed to "xenophobia." And yet, Tibetan freedom is blatantly xenophobic. Tibetans want a homeland for Tibetans, not chinese and Tibetans. But "Tibetan freedom" sounds good, and so they support it, even though they haven't thought through exactly what it entails.
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    _outlaw wrote:
    Bill O'Reilly?!

    He is everything that is wrong with America.
    He is awesome at waaahing though. What a big baby.
    I know everyone would have seen this already, but seriously, this dude is nuts.
    http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/billoreilly/youtube/oreillygonewild.htm
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    polaris wrote:
    i'm always suspicious of those who recently join a board for a band and only posts in a politics section ... :)


    Well I can answer that. You ever go to the... well I forgot what the main forum was called, the porch? It is either one of these things: Eddie is God, someone new complaining about senority seating and calling us old-timers assholes for not wanting to lose our newly found seats now that everyone else jumped off the bandwagon, or PJ is the bestest greatest band EVA.

    Hey they are my favorite band, that is why my number is five digits and used to be less. Sometimes though I would rather argue politics with someone smart that I disagree with, than agree with homers who can't see the forest for the trees.
  • Smellyman2Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    kh65 wrote:
    Even when presented with black and white facts. My left wing friends will never admit they were wrong if it doesn't fit into their feel good, let's make the world a better place view. What's up with that? I would listen to what you had to say if for once you would say things like, "yeah that was wrong, we fucked up."

    I wish a republican would apologize for an 8 year fuck up. Won't happen though.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    This thread is pointless and ridiculous. How the hell are we supposed to know what's wrong with your friends? Maybe they're jerks? I don't know. I certainly hope you're not generalizing.


    They're ideologues. If you introduce a fact that does not jive with their ideology, they cannot compute. Instead, they revert to ideological statements such as "But have you seen how much ExxonMobil profited last quarter?" or "yeah, but Dick Cheney and Halliburton colluded to..." or "this is a NATION OF IMMIGRANTS, asshole! the only people who can be xenophobes are the NATIVE AMERICANS."

    Most liberals operate off of a grab-bag set of philosophies that have nothing to do with eachother. For example, a lot of liberals will tell you they support freedom for Tibet. Have you ever met a lib who didn't support that?

    And then, at the same time, they are adamantly opposed to "xenophobia." And yet, Tibetan freedom is blatantly xenophobic. Tibetans want a homeland for Tibetans, not chinese and Tibetans. But "Tibetan freedom" sounds good, and so they support it, even though they haven't thought through exactly what it entails.

    The people's liberation army invaded Tibet in the early 50s. Since then it has been occupied by China. Tibetans are being oppressed by the Chinese.

    I disagree with that. I thought it through alright and the Chinese occupation is wrong and not defendable. Once we get that injustice out of the world, we can move on to other problems... the xenophobic state of Tibet that doesn't exist right now could be one of those problems. But for now, let's focus on problem that exist, okay?

    What are you suggesting anyway? That the Chinese should get to oppress the Tibetans because Tibetan freedom is "blalantly xenophobic"?

    Anyway, you should know most Tibetans just want to live freely and exercise their religion freely. They are not allowed to do that. You seem like the kind of American that gives great importance to freedom and religion, so you should understand this. They are being denied both.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Smellyman wrote:
    I wish a republican would apologize for an 8 year fuck up. Won't happen though.


    I'm sorry.


    Did not vote for Bush though.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    unsung wrote:
    Well I can answer that. You ever go to the... well I forgot what the main forum was called, the porch? It is either one of these things: Eddie is God, someone new complaining about senority seating and calling us old-timers assholes for not wanting to lose our newly found seats now that everyone else jumped off the bandwagon, or PJ is the bestest greatest band EVA.

    Hey they are my favorite band, that is why my number is five digits and used to be less. Sometimes though I would rather argue politics with someone smart that I disagree with, than agree with homers who can't see the forest for the trees.

    hey ... probably 90% of my posts are on this forum ... i agree wholeheartedly ... but it's been known that people get paid to spew an agenda at various boards ... they all are given the same propaganda booklet to post and they all tend to sound the same ...
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    They're ideologues. If you introduce a fact that does not jive with their ideology, they cannot compute. Instead, they revert to ideological statements such as "But have you seen how much ExxonMobil profited last quarter?" or "yeah, but Dick Cheney and Halliburton colluded to..." or "this is a NATION OF IMMIGRANTS, asshole! the only people who can be xenophobes are the NATIVE AMERICANS."

    Most liberals operate off of a grab-bag set of philosophies that have nothing to do with eachother. For example, a lot of liberals will tell you they support freedom for Tibet. Have you ever met a lib who didn't support that?

    And then, at the same time, they are adamantly opposed to "xenophobia." And yet, Tibetan freedom is blatantly xenophobic. Tibetans want a homeland for Tibetans, not chinese and Tibetans. But "Tibetan freedom" sounds good, and so they support it, even though they haven't thought through exactly what it entails.

    What you are saying about liberals can easily be applied to conservatives, libertarians, etc... The problem is not the political ideology but with those that follow it blindly.
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  • bayleafbayleaf Posts: 128
    kh65 wrote:
    Even when presented with black and white facts. My left wing friends will never admit they were wrong if it doesn't fit into their feel good, let's make the world a better place view. What's up with that? I would listen to what you had to say if for once you would say things like, "yeah that was wrong, we fucked up."

    There are people across the political spectrum who behave like this, the idea that this type of behavior is exclusive to those on the Left is crazy. The "religious Right" have to be among the worst when it comes to not allowing oneself to reflect on what one holds to be 'true'.
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