Dem's Verison of America
Pats54
Posts: 276
Nice to see the Dem's are trying to scare people and make the economy seem worse than that of the great depression. Yes I too could go out and find people who have sob stories and balme it all on GWB. The unscientific method I use on the economy is quite simple. Where I live in the Northeast try going out to dinner the wait times are in excess of an hour plus, try to find a WII game system not many around. A lot of people found $$'s to go to concerts, sporting events with the highest ticket prices in the country are sold out. My point is people have some disposable income to spend on these types of things. I realize all is not perfect. However, listening to the Dem's version of reality last week made me think we were living in the Great Depression all over again. It is easy to find some poor SOB with a story and roll him/her out there for all of us to feel sorry for. Why not roll out the person who has been successful at starting and running a new business. I guess I tend to be more of a positive person. Dem's want people to be miserable so they can take care of them from womb to tomb.
Post edited by Unknown User on
0
Comments
Do you think the GOP will talk about the staggering economy next week?
Also, they always ask if we want the next 8 years to be like the last 8 years as if that was a negative. I think people automatically assume it is, but if I look back over the last 8 years, my life is better now than it was then. I think that's all you can ask.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
GDP was up 3.3% when were supposed to be in a recession. I was making refernece to Biden who said the following:
"Almost every night, I take the train home to Wilmington, sometimes very late. As I look out the window at the homes we pass, I can almost hear what they’re talking about at the kitchen table after they put the kids to bed.
Should mom move in with us now that dad is gone? Fifty, 60, 70 dollars to fill up the car? Winter’s coming. How we gonna pay the heating bills? Another year and no raise? Did you hear the company may be cutting our health care? Now, we owe more on the house than it’s worth. How are we going to send the kids to college? How are we gonna be able to retire?" What do you think he is inferring here? If he is so concerned why didn't he do more to fix the problem. The Dem's now run Washington except for the WH and they have a weak unpopular president there. There was nothing he could do with his party?
I don't know about you but that is not the discussion at my dinner table. Biden must be doing pretty well since he can afford to take the Amtrack between DC and Delaware.
Maybe those people with their sob stories are an anomaly to you, but those stories are growing every day and it could happen to almost anyone, even you.
I retired from the Telephone Company in Connecticut on disability and I used to have plenty of disposable income. My wife and I are now faced with staggering medical bills and are having trouble making ends meet every month now. It can turn around just that quickly.
yeah, everything is going great....The credit market is strong, housing prices are stable...gas is only up .94 a gallon from this time last year, and only few stores are going bankrupt...
http://dealnews.com/features/Retail-Watch-The-Latest-Store-Closings-Every-Shopper-Should-Know/240445.html
yeah, life is good...
The economy is not really that bad unemployment is around 5.6% which is practically full employment, interest rates are still relatively low, GDP is up. Granted it is not perfect but it is not as bad as it is being portrayed. If there was a dem in the WH they would be touting how great everything is thanks to King Barack.
People are not really struggling like the Dems talking heads are saying, though. People can SAY they are struggling to make ends meet, but when they are still paying $75/month for cable TV, have video game systems, go to the movies every weeik, etc., their ACTIONS say otherwise.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Yes, you're right. That is a pretty unscientific method. I didn't see any homeless people yesterday, that must mean there aren't any homeless people at all. Isn't it possible you live in a neighborhood that is a bit more affluent?
Unemployment is up, average income is down. Tuitions are up, and less children are going to colleges because they cannot afford them. The foreclosure rate has doubled, I believe, and gas is continuing to rise. I didn't see anyone mentioning the Great Depression, but you're living in a dream world if you think we haven't taken a strong turn in the wrong direction. Just cause it might not be happening to you and those around you doesn't mean it's happening. There's a few reasons for this, one of the main ones being Bush's economic policy; Bush's policies certainly didn't cause all these problems, but caused many and didn't help some. Like Reagan in the 80's, Bush followed a trickle-down formula, and like Reagan in the 80's, by the end of the decade it quite simply didn't work.
I still maintain we're generally better off now than we were 8 years ago.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I don't really understand how someone can say this. In practically every measure, things are worse than they were then. Unemployment? Up. Salaries? Down. Homelessness, particularly in urban areas, has skyrocketed. Gas prices have risen, health care and insurance costs rose for six years in a row (this year was the first time they declined), less people are insured, more foreclosures (whether or not you think they are Bush's fault). This is not to even speak of all the issues that are related to an unstable economy, such as a marked rise in crime throughout the nation, and lack of credible education. I think it would take an incredible amount of self-delusion to say we're better off now than then. I don't even think the Bush White House is trying to claim that.
I've also read that FDR's "New Deal" really didn't do much to bring us out of the depression....
Most people in the US did not spend money on the new Batman movie, what are you trying to say here? That because a small portion of the population goes to the movies, that the economy is just fine and dandy?
Then you haven't been paying attention.
We're stuck in a war that we never should have gotten into in the first place, and over 4,000 US soldiers have died, thousands of others injured, who knows how many Iraqi civilians killed.
Unemployment is up. The cost of living has gone up. I know people who have to choose between gas and food, between rent and medical care.
Our civil liberties have been eroded, one by one. The Bush administration quietly tried to overturn Roe v. Wade and even make birth control illegal, and has spent thousands of dollars of taxpayer money on abstinence-only programs that don't work, and now they're funding faith-based "crisis pregnancy centers" that are not run by anyone in the medical profession.
People have been arrested and held without charges. The housing market is a mess. The list goes on, but we are not better off than we were 8 years ago, and we can't afford 8 more years of this BS.
Mighty egocentric of you...
Everything you posted outside of the war has been going on for years, not just the last eight. As someone posted earlier, the houseing crisis has nothing to do with W but the mortgage companies writing loans to people that probably shouldnt have had a loan in the first place.
I just dont see how if barrack becomes president things are going to get better. Troops will not magically be pulled from iraq, gas prices wont go down, houseing market will be in the same place. What barrack will do is raise taxes & god forbid if universal health care passed, but that is another story for another time.
Actually, most of what he said HAS gone on under the Bush administration, in addition to the war. Unemployment was low at the close of the Clinton years, and it is now up. Average salary has gone up. The administration HAS imprisoned people without trial. Homelessness has gone up, crime has gone up, college tuitions has gone up. Do we really think the policies of the administration and congress in charge of the country have NOTHING to do with the state of our economy? Of course it does; their economic policies gradually influence the state of our market. It doesn't happen overnight, but it happens. That's why although we've been living with Bush policies for eight years, we've been really starting to feel the pinch in the last two years. That's why in the 80's, under Reagan, it wasn't until the latter half of the decade that the deplorable state of the economy came to light.
i think if you asked most people if they are better off now than they were 8 years ago, their answer would be different than Know1s