Nuclear Power

MattyJoe
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edited June 2008 in A Moving Train
http://russp.org/BLC-1.html

And please don't mention alternative energy since, at the moment, no such thing exists. It is not a credible point of argument.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MattyJoe wrote:
    http://russp.org/BLC-1.html

    And please don't mention alternative energy since, at the moment, no such thing exists. It is not a credible point of argument.


    So since something doesn't exist now, we shouldn't focus on exploring better options for the future? Gee, I'm glad all the inventors in the world didn't share your same short sighted view...we would have never even discovered fire.

    I'm not saying we don't have to rely on nuclear power for now. I'm saying we shouldn't pander to the industry and hold back alternatives to keep those in the industry getting richer while our world suffers for it the way we have by relying on coal and oil for so long instead of pushing for alternatives.....and the ideas and technologies are already out there but they are being supressed to keep everyone dependent on what we have now which makes these industries more money. Big oil and the nuclear power industry have bought our politicians. Exelon, a nuclear power corporation, is one of Obama's top contributors. And if you don't see a conflict of interest there then I don't know what to say.


    I've already stated my opinion in this thread and really don't want to have to repeat myself again so here it is:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=282085
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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm not saying we don't have to rely on nuclear power for now. I'm saying we shouldn't pander to the industry and hold back alternatives to keep those in the industry getting richer while our world suffers for it the way we have by relying on coal and oil for so long instead of pushing for alternatives.....and the ideas and technologies are already out there but they are being supressed to keep everyone dependent on what we have now which makes these industries more money. Big oil and the nuclear power industry have bought our politicians. Exelon, a nuclear power corporation, is one of Obama's top contributors. And if you don't see a conflict of interest there then I don't know what to say.

    What are these suppressed alternatives you're referring to? Ethanol, which would become more expensive than gas if we were to use it in even just half the amount we use gas?

    I'm all for finding alternate energy sources. I think our dependence on the Middle East for oil is very dangerous. They know that all they have to do is continue restricting the supply and the price shoots up (although, if we were to drill just a little bit in Alaska or the Gulf of Mexico, which constricting environmental regulations prevent us from doing, we'd see a dramatic drop in price). But we don't know how long it's gonna take to find an affordable (ideally, less expensive than oil) alternative. In the meantime, we should allow the nuclear energy companies to build! Get rid of these goddamn oil and coal plants. Just doing that would lower the price of oil (in the case of oil plants, which there are more of than coal plants and pollute the environment anyway).
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Solar power everything... go to the source, it all comes from the sun.

    Can they make a clean renewable battery I suppose is the question.
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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Solar power everything... go to the source, it all comes from the sun.

    Can they make a clean renewable battery I suppose is the question.

    That IS a possibility which I know many "pioneers" have tested by running their houses on it and stuff like that. It's worth continued exploration.
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  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    MattyJoe wrote:
    That IS a possibility which I know many "pioneers" have tested by running their houses on it and stuff like that. It's worth continued exploration.

    Heck, not only are some people running their houses on it, but they are also being paid by utility companies for the excess energy they collect.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    MattyJoe wrote:
    What are these suppressed alternatives you're referring to? Ethanol, which would become more expensive than gas if we were to use it in even just half the amount we use gas?

    well, for one a couple months ago (maybe even a year?) there was a story about a guy, i think in illinois, that fueled his car from vegetable oil...he converted the engine himself and made the gas....until the state government told him he had to stop unless he got some kind of special permit to have the gas...which he didn't qualify for b/c you had to stockpile a really large amount, more than he uses for his personal vehicle...

    there's plenty of other examples...i remember years ago the discovery channel had this thing on suppressed technology and said reagan made an oil executive the head of patents and he would reject new things for reasons like 'it violates accepted scientific principle'

    solar panels are a pretty big market, wind power is also proven efficient and environmentally friendly....and yet the corporate candidates are only pushing things like coal and nuclear power

    it's not like oil, coal and nuclear are our only options, it's just that they're bigger donors
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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    El_Kabong wrote:
    well, for one a couple months ago (maybe even a year?) there was a story about a guy, i think in illinois, that fueled his car from vegetable oil...he converted the engine himself and made the gas....until the state government told him he had to stop unless he got some kind of special permit to have the gas...which he didn't qualify for b/c you had to stockpile a really large amount, more than he uses for his personal vehicle...

    Vegetable oil is much more expensive than gas, so it doesn't matter anyway. I'm not sure exactly what is meant by stockpiling a large amount?

    EDIT: Forgot about the waste oil. That's a possibility, too I guess.
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  • Urban Hiker
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    MattyJoe wrote:
    Vegetable oil is much more expensive than gas, so it doesn't matter anyway. I'm not sure exactly what is meant by stockpiling a large amount?

    EDIT: Forgot about the waste oil. That's a possibility, too I guess.


    I wrote the founder of Seattle Biodiesel (a few years ago when he was getting a lot of local attention for his business) asking him to please consider using waste oil.

    I got no response. :cool:

    I wonder if he's looking into it now? http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=deskbar&tab=wn&ncl=1212828535&hl=en

    :rolleyes:


    I should write him again. :p
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Solar power everything... go to the source, it all comes from the sun.

    Can they make a clean renewable battery I suppose is the question.

    Don't mention alternative energy, but suggest the thing that has been around longer than man. But man can't make big money on it so it dosen't count. :)
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    MattyJoe wrote:
    http://russp.org/BLC-1.html

    And please don't mention alternative energy since, at the moment, no such thing exists. It is not a credible point of argument.

    wind, biomass, tidal, hydro and solar are ALL alternative energy sources that exists today - posting an article from 1984 and then dismissing alternative sources seems like an oxymoron ...

    people need to understand that oil, gas and nuclear are heavily subsidized by gov'ts - without these subsidies, most of these renewable options would be cost competitive ...
  • Number 18
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    Urban Hiker wrote:
    I wrote the founder of Seattle Biodiesel (a few years ago when he was getting a lot of local attention for his business) asking him to please consider using waste oil.

    I got no response. :cool:

    I wonder if he's looking into it now? http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=deskbar&tab=wn&ncl=1212828535&hl=en

    :rolleyes:


    I should write him again. :p

    You totally should. I almost got a job with them. Good people (for the most part).

    Here's another pretty cool source of energy:

    http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/making-renewabl.html
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    Number 18 wrote:
    You totally should. I almost got a job with them. Good people (for the most part).

    Here's another pretty cool source of energy:

    http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/making-renewabl.html

    algae is definitely the way to go ... it's energy output vs. input is by far superior to any other biofuel right now ...

    http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/algae-biodiesel-biofuels-green-star-micronutrients.php
  • MattyJoe
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    even flow? wrote:
    Don't mention alternative energy, but suggest the thing that has been around longer than man. But man can't make big money on it so it dosen't count. :)

    I think it's funny when people make comments like this, as if a business' goal is NOT gonna be to make money. Don't you realize that innovations are made because of competition TOO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE, and that without our current system there would be no competition?
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  • unsung
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    polaris wrote:
    algae is definitely the way to go ... it's energy output vs. input is by far superior to any other biofuel right now ...


    Imagine if we could burn White Castles for fuel. They are a great output source.
  • Abookamongstthemany
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    even flow? wrote:
    Don't mention alternative energy, but suggest the thing that has been around longer than man. But man can't make big money on it so it dosen't count. :)


    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5521713&postcount=2

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=287868

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=TjVyhzv3fto
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  • my2hands
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    MattyJoe wrote:
    Vegetable oil is much more expensive than gas, so it doesn't matter anyway.

    yup
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    my2hands wrote:
    yup


    Did ya happen to catch MattyJoe's edit?

    MattyJoe wrote:
    Vegetable oil is much more expensive than gas, so it doesn't matter anyway. I'm not sure exactly what is meant by stockpiling a large amount?

    EDIT: Forgot about the waste oil. That's a possibility, too I guess.
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  • Commy
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    MattyJoe wrote:
    http://russp.org/BLC-1.html

    And please don't mention alternative energy since, at the moment, no such thing exists. It is not a credible point of argument.
    ?


    solar/wind/water all provide alternative sources of energy.


    And if you tax things like pullution you inhibit the motivation required to produce new alternative sources of energy.


    Nuclear power plants are accidents waiting to happen.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    yup

    It's cute seeing how many issues you agree with the republicans on these days on the AMT.


    Not saying there's something wrong with it, just saying it's a bit different than years past.
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  • angelica
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    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    It's cute seeing how many issues you agree with the republicans on these days on the AMT.


    Not saying there's something wrong with it, just saying it's a bit different than years past.
    It freaks me out, frankly! When I first started on this board, my2hands was my first friend! He and I agreed on most things! He even nominated me for poster of the year when I first started on the board!

    So when I see his obvious shift, it's very weird!
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