Nuclear Power
MattyJoe
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And please don't mention alternative energy since, at the moment, no such thing exists. It is not a credible point of argument.
And please don't mention alternative energy since, at the moment, no such thing exists. It is not a credible point of argument.
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-Reagan
-Reagan
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So since something doesn't exist now, we shouldn't focus on exploring better options for the future? Gee, I'm glad all the inventors in the world didn't share your same short sighted view...we would have never even discovered fire.
I'm not saying we don't have to rely on nuclear power for now. I'm saying we shouldn't pander to the industry and hold back alternatives to keep those in the industry getting richer while our world suffers for it the way we have by relying on coal and oil for so long instead of pushing for alternatives.....and the ideas and technologies are already out there but they are being supressed to keep everyone dependent on what we have now which makes these industries more money. Big oil and the nuclear power industry have bought our politicians. Exelon, a nuclear power corporation, is one of Obama's top contributors. And if you don't see a conflict of interest there then I don't know what to say.
I've already stated my opinion in this thread and really don't want to have to repeat myself again so here it is:
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=282085
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What are these suppressed alternatives you're referring to? Ethanol, which would become more expensive than gas if we were to use it in even just half the amount we use gas?
I'm all for finding alternate energy sources. I think our dependence on the Middle East for oil is very dangerous. They know that all they have to do is continue restricting the supply and the price shoots up (although, if we were to drill just a little bit in Alaska or the Gulf of Mexico, which constricting environmental regulations prevent us from doing, we'd see a dramatic drop in price). But we don't know how long it's gonna take to find an affordable (ideally, less expensive than oil) alternative. In the meantime, we should allow the nuclear energy companies to build! Get rid of these goddamn oil and coal plants. Just doing that would lower the price of oil (in the case of oil plants, which there are more of than coal plants and pollute the environment anyway).
-Reagan
Can they make a clean renewable battery I suppose is the question.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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That IS a possibility which I know many "pioneers" have tested by running their houses on it and stuff like that. It's worth continued exploration.
-Reagan
Heck, not only are some people running their houses on it, but they are also being paid by utility companies for the excess energy they collect.
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well, for one a couple months ago (maybe even a year?) there was a story about a guy, i think in illinois, that fueled his car from vegetable oil...he converted the engine himself and made the gas....until the state government told him he had to stop unless he got some kind of special permit to have the gas...which he didn't qualify for b/c you had to stockpile a really large amount, more than he uses for his personal vehicle...
there's plenty of other examples...i remember years ago the discovery channel had this thing on suppressed technology and said reagan made an oil executive the head of patents and he would reject new things for reasons like 'it violates accepted scientific principle'
solar panels are a pretty big market, wind power is also proven efficient and environmentally friendly....and yet the corporate candidates are only pushing things like coal and nuclear power
it's not like oil, coal and nuclear are our only options, it's just that they're bigger donors
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Vegetable oil is much more expensive than gas, so it doesn't matter anyway. I'm not sure exactly what is meant by stockpiling a large amount?
EDIT: Forgot about the waste oil. That's a possibility, too I guess.
-Reagan
I wrote the founder of Seattle Biodiesel (a few years ago when he was getting a lot of local attention for his business) asking him to please consider using waste oil.
I got no response. :cool:
I wonder if he's looking into it now? http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=deskbar&tab=wn&ncl=1212828535&hl=en
:rolleyes:
I should write him again.
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Don't mention alternative energy, but suggest the thing that has been around longer than man. But man can't make big money on it so it dosen't count.
wind, biomass, tidal, hydro and solar are ALL alternative energy sources that exists today - posting an article from 1984 and then dismissing alternative sources seems like an oxymoron ...
people need to understand that oil, gas and nuclear are heavily subsidized by gov'ts - without these subsidies, most of these renewable options would be cost competitive ...
You totally should. I almost got a job with them. Good people (for the most part).
Here's another pretty cool source of energy:
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/making-renewabl.html
algae is definitely the way to go ... it's energy output vs. input is by far superior to any other biofuel right now ...
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/05/algae-biodiesel-biofuels-green-star-micronutrients.php
I think it's funny when people make comments like this, as if a business' goal is NOT gonna be to make money. Don't you realize that innovations are made because of competition TOO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE, and that without our current system there would be no competition?
-Reagan
Imagine if we could burn White Castles for fuel. They are a great output source.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5521713&postcount=2
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=287868
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TjVyhzv3fto
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
yup
Did ya happen to catch MattyJoe's edit?
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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solar/wind/water all provide alternative sources of energy.
And if you tax things like pullution you inhibit the motivation required to produce new alternative sources of energy.
Nuclear power plants are accidents waiting to happen.
It's cute seeing how many issues you agree with the republicans on these days on the AMT.
Not saying there's something wrong with it, just saying it's a bit different than years past.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So when I see his obvious shift, it's very weird!
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Yeah, that's how it was for me, too. We were fast friends based on how much we agreed on the issues and backed one another up. Now I'm finding we hardly agree on anything lately. Times and people change sometimes, I guess...and not always in the direction we would have expected, it seems. Life goes on...hearts and thoughts they fade away.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And new friendships restart the cycle...
On the issue of alternative energy, I wrote "BioWillie" an email asking for a job a few weeks ago. Biodiesel isn't the "silver bullet" but no such thing exists at this time. I think working for Willie Nelson would have its perks...
Yes, they do.
Working with Willie would be the best! Talk about your laid back boss!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and I still love my2hands.
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http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt
---According to the Wetzels, May told them during his Jan. 4 visit that they would have to pay taxes at either the gasoline rate of 19½ cents per gallon or the diesel rate of 21½ cents per gallon.
A retired research chemist and food plant manager, Wetzel produced records showing he has used 1,134.6 gallons of vegetable oil from 2002 to 2006. At the higher rate, the tax bill would come to $244.24.
"That averages out to $4.07 a month," Wetzel noted, adding he is willing to pay that bill.---
and this is only to illustrate how it's not more expensive as you claimed, you should read the whole article to answer your other questions about what you didn't understand...well, shit, here's that part, too
---A couple of weeks later, David Wetzel received another letter from the revenue department, stating that he "must immediately stop operating as a special fuel supplier and receiver until you receive special fuel supplier and receiver licenses."
This threatening letter stated that acting as a supplier and receiver without a license is a Class 3 felony. This class of felonies carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.
On the department of revenue's Web site, David Wetzel discovered that the definition of special fuel supplier includes someone who operates a plant with an "active bulk storage capacity of not less than 30,000 gallons." Wetzel also did not fit the definition of a receiver, described as a person who produces, distributes or transports fuel into the state. So Wetzel withdrew his application to become a supplier and receiver.
Mike Klemens, spokesman for the department of revenue, explained that Wetzel has to register as a supplier because the law states that is the only way he can pay motor fuel tax.
you should still read the rest of the article
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It's like a feckin' echo chamber.
Well said!!
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