New hearings, Damien Echols.

HushBull

http://wm3.org/live/newsevents/newsitem.php?index=1&news_Id=207
Time for Truth* http://www.wm3.org/live/newsevents/newsitem.php?index=1&news_Id=206
Paradise Lost** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J4xk4dFbv0
Hello all,
please take the time to review and get up to date on the WM3. An innocent man could be put to death!
The new hearings are set for September 8th, in my hometown, Jonesboro, AR... the place that convicted him. I have been working closely with the WM3 organization and have set up a viewing of the first Paradise Lost film, Time for Truth doc, and with a Q&A afterward. It will be a large fundraiser that hopefully will encourage people to come out and have their voice heard the days of the hearings. Lorri Davis, Damien's wife, will be present that night as well.

Spread the Truth.

~PJ~

polaris

good luck

HushBull

polaris wrote:

good luck

Thanks, he needs it. The case is no longer about guilt or innocence, it's become political. The lawyers, judges, police are thick as thieves around here. They prefer to save face than to save a life. The judge is trying to suppress as much as possible, so we need a good showing that day to let them know we wont be rolled over and treated as being totally ignorant.

Let this cause be known, now is the time.

~Humanity~

polaris

HushBull wrote:

Thanks, he needs it. The case is no longer about guilt or innocence, it's become political. The lawyers, judges, police are thick as thieves around here. They prefer to save face than to save a life. The judge is trying to suppress as much as possible, so we need a good showing that day to let them know we wont be rolled over and treated as being totally ignorant.

Let this cause be known, now is the time.

~Humanity~

i know ... it's reading cases like this that makes me realize that people are capable of all kinds of things both good and bad ...

HushBull

^^

Anon

HushBull wrote:

Thanks, he needs it. The case is no longer about guilt or innocence, it's become political. The lawyers, judges, police are thick as thieves around here. They prefer to save face than to save a life. The judge is trying to suppress as much as possible, so we need a good showing that day to let them know we wont be rolled over and treated as being totally ignorant.

Let this cause be known, now is the time.

~Humanity~

I can't understand Ed's fascination with Echols. Of all the people in jail that could be wrongly prosecuted - why support these ? Because they like rock music? Seriously.

I just look at echols past. I don't even care about if he is guilty or not guilty as part of the wm3. His proven evil past is enough to tell me he is someone i never wanna be in the same room as, ever. And i refuse to support them just because Eddie Vedder thinks it's a good idea.

keeponrockin

Pj_Gurl wrote:

I can't understand Ed's fascination with Echols. Of all the people in jail that could be wrongly prosecuted - why support these ? Because they like rock music? Seriously.

I just look at echols past. I don't even care about if he is guilty or not guilty as part of the wm3. His proven evil past is enough to tell me he is someone i never wanna be in the same room as, ever. And i refuse to support them just because Eddie Vedder thinks it's a good idea.

Not trying to start ANY argument here... Could you go into more detail about the evil thing? I haven't heard this side of the story..

HushBull

Pj_Gurl wrote:

I can't understand Ed's fascination with Echols. Of all the people in jail that could be wrongly prosecuted - why support these ? Because they like rock music? Seriously.

I just look at echols past. I don't even care about if he is guilty or not guilty as part of the wm3. His proven evil past is enough to tell me he is someone i never wanna be in the same room as, ever. And i refuse to support them just because Eddie Vedder thinks it's a good idea.

You don't care about someones guilt or innocence? Uhhh...
His proven evil past, what are you talking about? What has he ever done that could be even closely seen as evil. I can't help but think that you are just incredibly ignorant to everything involving this case... which is fine, educate yourself with the above links. ^^^
I find it very difficult for a sane and logical person to say the things you did, unless you are just completely in the dark.
Instead of being so combative, supply actual valid information based on facts. It's incredibly inappropriate to rattle off such nonsense, a mans life is on the line.

HushBull

keeponrockin wrote:

Not trying to start ANY argument here... Could you go into more detail about the evil thing? I haven't heard this side of the story..

All the information is posted above for you, all the detail you need .


Complacency is not the answer!

BetterThanYou

this whole thing is really a tough call. from what i've seen and read, i still can't say that i think they're innocent. they got a raw deal with their trial being held where it was, though. the best thing i could say for them would be give them another trial in a different courtroom. but letting them out of prison? i can't agree with that.

Anon

HushBull wrote:

You don't care about someones guilt or innocence? Uhhh...
His proven evil past, what are you talking about? What has he ever done that could be even closely seen as evil. I can't help but think that you are just incredibly ignorant to everything involving this case... which is fine, educate yourself with the above links. ^^^
I find it very difficult for a sane and logical person to say the things you did, unless you are just completely in the dark in respect to everything in this case.

I'm sorry, i am not looking to start an argument. I am stating my opinion just as you are within your rights to state yours. That does not make me ignorant, just because i have a different view than you. Let me just make one thing very clear. I am not advocating whether echols is guilty or not guilty of the murder of the 3 children. I do not know and i am not in a position to make that decision. Do i think the trial was handled poorly? Yes. Yes i do. My concern is purely that i cannot understand Ed's fascination with Echols. Of all the people in jail that could be wrongly prosecuted - why support these ? Because they like rock music? Seriously.'

Are you aware of Damien Echols' mental health history? Did you know he had been committed three separate times, and that he had threatened to kill his father and eat his face, as well as cut the throat of his mother? His parents were frightened of him harming himself AND others?

Are you also aware that Damien Echols mutilated a great dane and wore the entrails around his neck, terrorized other peers?

Damien Echols was severely, severely mentally disturbed and a great danger to others.

When his defense team sought an appeal, the professionals they hired to testify wrote this affidavit, used in court and affidavit of Gloria Shettles, professional.

If you watch the movie and read the book, it seems as though crucial information has conveniently been omitted regarding this case.

It's only fair that people who learn about this case are FULLY educated on what happened. Here is a link to ALL documents available related to the case, including the 500, which consists of Damien Echols hospital records.

I would strongly urge anyone attempting to learn the details read through this site before attempting to reach any decisions regarding the facts.

Good luck to the ones fighting the fight to see them free if they are innocent. If they are innocent then of course they should be free. But don't judge me, just because i'm not getting on the Eddie Vedder Free the WM3 bandwagon.

HushBull

^^
Yes, he said and did things that could be considered disturbing. Though, much of what you presented is either untrue, slanted, or without context. He was a very depressed, highly medicated youth in rural Arkansas with no ability to live except in a fantasy world he created at the time. It was a way of coping and also of receiving attention he seemed so desperately to want. The fact remains that there is not a shred of factual evidence to suggest Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin, or Jesse Miskelley were involved in the murders of those children. You also need to more fully understand the social/political climate here in Jonesboro, Ar.

Anon

HushBull wrote:

^^
Yes, he said and did things that could be considered disturbing. Though, much of what you presented is either untrue, slanted, or without context. He was a very depressed, highly medicated youth in rural Arkansas with no ability to live except in a fantasy world he created at the time. It was a way of coping and also of receiving attention he seemed so desperately to want. The fact remains that there is not a shred of factual evidence to suggest Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin, or Jesse Miskelley were involved in the murders of those children. You also need to more fully understand the social/political climate here in Jonesboro, Ar.

Please understand that i am not advocating they are guilty and i can't stress enough that if they are innocent they should be freed immediately. I am stressing that Echols past, tells me, that he is not someone i would like to associate with. That's why I don't understand, why out of everyone in the world who may be being detained unfairly, why Ed is singling him out as someone to support. Hopefully you can understand that is just how i feel, whether you agree with it or not.

HushBull

Pj_Gurl wrote:

Please understand that i am not advocating they are guilty and i can't stress enough that if they are innocent they should be freed immediately. I am stressing that Echols past, tells me, that he is not someone i would like to associate with. That's why I don't understand, why out of everyone in the world who may be being detained unfairly, why Ed is singling him out as someone to support. Hopefully you can understand that is just how i feel, whether you agree with it or not.

I certainly do. And I back off the stance that you are ignorant to the case. Though, I'm not quite sure you fully understand some of the intricacies and sliminess that is associated with most of the prosecution, the judge, the foreman, and many other officials involved. I fully respect your position. Though whether or not you and him would get along is neither here nor there. Eddie, I think, since he knows Damien on a personal level, is fully convinced of his innocence, but also likes him and considers him a friend. Eddie's backing and concern is genuine and shouldn't be reduced to a story of a him feeling sorry for a rocker kid.

Anon

HushBull wrote:

I certainly do. And I back off the stance that you are ignorant to the case. Though, I'm not quite sure you fully understand some of the intricacies and sliminess that is associated with most of the prosecution, the judge, the foreman, and many other officials involved. I fully respect your position. Though whether or not you and him would get along is neither here nor there. Eddie, I think, since he knows Damien on a personal level, is fully convinced of his innocence, but also likes him and considers him a friend. Eddie's backing and concern is genuine and shouldn't be reduced to a story of a him feeling sorry for a rocker kid.

That's a valid point HushBull. Ed has spent time with him, so i understand he sees him on a personal level. I do wish you well on the 8th and i hope things go the way you want them to.

HushBull

Pj_Gurl wrote:

That's a valid point HushBull. Ed has spent time with him, so i understand he sees him on a personal level. I do wish you well on the 8th and i hope things go the way you want them to.

Thank you. We are just hoping for a new trial will be allowed to go forth without misconduct so new evidence can be brought to light.

Collin

Pj_Gurl wrote:

Please understand that i am not advocating they are guilty and i can't stress enough that if they are innocent they should be freed immediately. I am stressing that Echols past, tells me, that he is not someone i would like to associate with. That's why I don't understand, why out of everyone in the world who may be being detained unfairly, why Ed is singling him out as someone to support. Hopefully you can understand that is just how i feel, whether you agree with it or not.

Why not him? Because he was "mentally disturbed"? Like HushBull said Ed knows him personally... He probably not only believes in his innocence but he probably believes that this is a good man.

Either way, if it were true that he was mentally ill, he should have never gone to prison in the first place.

Anon

Collin wrote:

Why not him? Because he was "mentally disturbed"? .

No. I've already explained in my previous posts.

Collin wrote:

Like HushBull said Ed knows him personally... He probably not only believes in his innocence but he probably believes that this is a good man. .

If you read my response to HushBull you will see that i have already said he raised a very valid point with this comment and it helped me to understand a bit better. Ok?

Collin wrote:

Either way, if it were true that he was mentally ill, he should have never gone to prison in the first place.

I never said he should have.

Collin

Pj_Gurl wrote:

No. I've already explained in my previous posts.

My point was; why not him? Any case in which someone was wrongly prosecuted is one worth fighting for, imo.

If you read my response to HushBull you will see that i have already said he raised a very valid point with this comment and it helped me to understand a bit better. Ok?

I read your post. I was expressing my agreement with HushBull.

WhiteMaleRat

I just have to say if Echols really did kill that Great Dane, then I don't care about him now or his fate, regardless of how he got into this mess. Even if he was severely mentally ill, he doesn't belong in society. Perhaps he should be in an institute, rather than prison.

HushBull

WhiteMaleRat wrote:

I just have to say if Echols really did kill that Great Dane, then I don't care about him now or his fate, regardless of how he got into this mess. Even if he was severely mentally ill, he doesn't belong in society. Perhaps he should be in an institute, rather than prison.

Or maybe we should confirm that ever happened.

HushBull

One mo' 'gain.