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MahoganySoulsMahoganySouls Posts: 357
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
Maybe it is because I have two daughters. But I find this campaign to be highly charged and seriously needed. My kudos and thanks to Dove. When I first saw these, I cried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaH4y6ZjSfE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li3mg1GrKe0&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhCn0jf46U&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUsKIApTewQ&mode=related&search=

Check out their web campaign:
http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com/home.asp
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Absolutely agree... Great job Dove.
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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    i think what you're doing is great. but i have a big butt :D hehe, nope i meant this BUT

    men who prefer slim women aren't going to change their prefrences because of this campaign, it's their sexual preference.

    men are also not going to think oh she is ugly but i'm goin to go out with her anyway because of her great personality.

    same applies to women. i'm not going to go out with a guy who i think is ugly just because he's got good personality. call me shallow?? but aren't we all?

    there will always be criticisms and judgements. it's part of who we are, and it's a god damn natural selection in process, if you aint got good genes you might as well die out, and make room for some people who do.

    i'm not being nasty, i'd like to believe in fairy tales, but life is not like that
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    genie wrote:
    i think what you're doing is great. but i have a big butt :D hehe, nope i meant this BUT

    men who prefer slim women aren't going to change their prefrences because of this campaign, it's their sexual preference.

    men are also not going to think oh she is ugly but i'm goin to go out with her anyway because of her great personality.

    same applies to women. i'm not going to go out with a guy who i think is ugly just because he's got good personality. call me shallow?? but aren't we all?

    there will always be criticisms and judgements. it's part of who we are, and it's a god damn natural selection in process, if you aint got good genes you might as well die out, and make room for some people who do.

    i'm not being nasty, i'd like to believe in fairy tales, but life is not like that

    At least from a male perspective, I think that you are thinking about this the wrong way... In my opinion, a women looking like a fashion model or a movie star isn't nearly as important to a man then it is for other women. Us men are simple creatures... there are some people with extremely high standards (male and female), but for the most part men don't need (or even want) that supermodel. Women put pressure on each other to look better than their friends or whatever.

    Now I'm not saying that if a girl is terribly ugly, she will all of a sudden seem attractive, but self-confidence is sexy. I would rather be with an "average" looking girl whole is comfortable in her skin and has a healthy self image, then a perfect 10 who obsesses about beauty or loosing weigh or whatever.

    We're all different, and while we should take care of ourselves, but we are who we are, and there is someone out there who will love us for being ourselves.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Thank you for sharing these MahoganySouls. I cried throughout them, too. Having had a hideously distorted self-image-perception throughout my life, these videos very much touch me. Change is happening. It's awesome. I'm so glad my daughter, at 25 is confident about who she is as a human.

    What I don't like is that this is a calculated advertising campaign wherein we savvy women tie in our feelings of validation and appreciation with this product.

    It doesn't matter what men think of our appearance--when we know we are amazing from deep within, people gravitate to us.
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  • Restless SoulRestless Soul Posts: 805
    very moving videos.

    There's a real PR spin on this Dove product though. I wonder what impact this campagn has had on the female psyche?
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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    Restless Soul wrote:
    very moving videos.

    There's a real PR spin on this Dove product though. I wonder what impact this campagn has had on the female psyche?


    none whatsoever. i will never resort to plastic surgery. but i will not stop trying to better myself, the prettier i am then more men i will get.

    as for personality i think i'm too nice, i need to start being a bitch ;)
  • MahoganySoulsMahoganySouls Posts: 357
    The more men you will get? Why is this important?
    Your whole post was beyond offensive and illogical. Since when does "beauty" equate "good genes"? Especially considering the majority of those who are depticted as "pretty" in advertising have had plastic surgery. So therefore, are fake.
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Looks like a good campaign.

    Beauty affects social status, which affects self-esteem.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    thank goodness dove aren't just doing it to sell more product. :)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    thank goodness dove aren't just doing it to sell more product. :)

    I wonder what difference it will have though. Everyone needs a degree in developmental psychology before they go to high-school.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I wonder what difference it will have though. Everyone needs a degree in developmental psychology before they go to high-school.

    no they don't. they just need to be taught respect. :)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    no they don't. they just need to be taught respect. :)

    Maybe but a degree would be better :p
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Maybe but a degree would be better :p

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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    The more men you will get? Why is this important?
    Your whole post was beyond offensive and illogical. Since when does "beauty" equate "good genes"? Especially considering the majority of those who are depticted as "pretty" in advertising have had plastic surgery. So therefore, are fake.

    let me phrase myself better, when i said i'll get more men, i meant: for a pretty girl it's easier to find a good-looking guy to date.....and much quicker.

    you tell me since when "beauty" equates to "good genes" tell me why by nature so many of us want to choose beautiful person over an ugly one?
    isn't it again something to do with nature and natural selection.
  • Restless SoulRestless Soul Posts: 805
    genie wrote:
    let me phrase myself better, when i said i'll get more men, i meant: for a pretty girl it's easier to find a good-looking guy to date.....and much quicker.

    you tell me since when "beauty" equates to "good genes" tell me why by nature so many of us want to choose beautiful person over an ugly one?
    isn't it again something to do with nature and natural selection.


    But what's that got to do with the beauty industry and the messages it's sending out to young women? God, life's hard enough dealing with what you've been dealt without having all your insecurities rammed down your throat every minute by advertisers, as we are all used to. Most advertisers will tell us nothing about us is good enough unless we use their product. So if Dove has found a hook for their product which is about sending out positive messages for once, then good for them. I'm sure it has helped their sales but then again, any advertising would help their sales.

    BTW I definitely am not "pretty" by any standard but I've had my share of dates - I'm not complaining. (as for finding husband-material, well that's a different matter :( )
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Heh, we guys always go for beauty, right?
    Well, I guess I'm not a guy then, coz most of those "perfect" looking women creep me the hell out. It doesnt matter if they actually are fake, or just dress themselves up in that way, it's a total turnoff.

    Doesn't looks matter? Well to some degree I guess (I think my gf is gorgeous, but I dont think I'm able to be objective), but I think there's really a cut-off point where it doesn't matter as much, and that it is far "lower" then many women think. Or maybe it's just me being old-fashioned and being tuned into loving the body of my woman no matter what. "Faults" or "imperfections" just gives it personality as far as I'm concerned.

    Looks is something, but can to a large degree be overruled by other factors such as confidence and personality. For me, I also prefer them to be smart and strong-minded. These things makes a look-wise below-average girl look a lot better to me than any beauty queen.

    *steps off box*

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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    OutOfBreath wrote:

    Looks is something, but can to a large degree be overruled by other factors such as confidence and personality. For me, I also prefer them to be smart and strong-minded. These things makes a look-wise below-average girl look a lot better to me than any beauty queen.

    *steps off box*

    Peace
    Dan


    I was thinking the same thing, Dan. Confidence is the key, I think. I understand how this is hard due to all the 'false' images we are inundated with via magazines & commercials & movies. Beauty sparks interest, but there has to be something more to hold interest.
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  • OutOfBreathOutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    baraka wrote:
    I was thinking the same thing, Dan. Confidence is the key, I think. I understand how this is hard due to all the 'false' images we are inundated with via magazines & commercials & movies. Beauty sparks interest, but there has to be something more to hold interest.

    Absolutely. Beauty can be like the flashy cover of a magazine, but if there aren't any content worth reading inside it, well, it's empty then, ain't it? I'd much rather have a boring cover for something great inside than vice versa. Going for the beauty thing may get more general (initial) attention from men (and other women, let's not forget), but that doesn't mean it gets any easier finding "the one". Relationships are complex, and in my experience for them to work really well, the people in it needs to share an outlook on life, or at least be able to understand eachother's psyche, moods and values. It's a matter of matching psychological needs and wants with eachother. Quite frankly, body lotions and implants have no bearing on that whatsoever, as far as I can see.

    Or maybe just other people are more shallow than me... ;)

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    Dan
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  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    Restless Soul wrote:
    But what's that got to do with the beauty industry and the messages it's sending out to young women? God, life's hard enough dealing with what you've been dealt without having all your insecurities rammed down your throat every minute by advertisers, as we are all used to. Most advertisers will tell us nothing about us is good enough unless we use their product. So if Dove has found a hook for their product which is about sending out positive messages for once, then good for them. I'm sure it has helped their sales but then again, any advertising would help their sales.

    BTW I definitely am not "pretty" by any standard but I've had my share of dates - I'm not complaining. (as for finding husband-material, well that's a different matter :( )

    erm...nothing. And i don't care much for advertisements, i know what's wrong with me by just looking in the mirror.
    But if there are products being advertised that will make me look better i will certainly buy them.

    Don't be sad about finding husband-material though, it's hard to find good people generally, some people these days are too selfish, shallow, and up themselves.
  • MahoganySoulsMahoganySouls Posts: 357
    There is no one set standard for beauty. Each culture has it's own ideas. The American culture says Barbie is beautiful, Indiginous cultures say long ringed necks and wide lips are desirable, Asians say petite is in, etc. etc. etc.

    The point of the Dove commercials is to learn to love yourself for what you have to offer. Set your own standard of beautiful.

    I also thank the guys on this thread who have shown how powerful non-physical qualities are. Unfortunately, young girls are inundated with the self image issues that brainwash them into feeling inadequate. I applaud Dove for addressing this publicly. Even if it does get them more business. It is a win win situation in my opinion.
    "When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
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