Obama Forum erupts against him.........
Im still here
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people are not happy with Obama
.....even his own Supporters
http://www.politicalbase.com/people/barack-obama/3221/forums/
.....even his own Supporters
http://www.politicalbase.com/people/barack-obama/3221/forums/
PEARL JAM~Lubbock, TX. 10~18~00
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
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http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
Could they be people simply posing as his supporters?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
nice to see you too
I'm going to Vote for Obama
it's the only choice, doesnt mean I have to like it
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
FYI, there are lots of choices...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
sure there is......
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
there are lots of choices.
ok, who's got a chance in Hell, besides McCain or Obama?
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
"How about in heaven?"
-Ralph Nader
why don't you read some of the posts????
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
you're dreaming........
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
I don't want to be rude. So please don't take this as offensive as it might sound.
But you can't complain about Obama and then vote for him. if you're voting for him, then shut the fuck up and stop complaining. Because you aren't doing anything to change it, you're just bitching about it.
Just like Obama's not Changing a thing
Just because I don't like Obama doesn't mean I won't vote for him
......and yes I have a right to say so
if you don't like it don't read my posts
Thank You very much in advance.............
I have alot more to say to you but I'd rather not get banned
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
My point is that you shouldn't sit here and complain about him, but then show him your support. That makes zero sense. If you don't believe in him, or the system, then vote for who you actually believe in.
A vote that is wasted is not one that you use to vote for someone who 'can't win'. It's a vote that you use to vote for someone that you don't actually like.
lol, I appreciate that.
I did, and it looks like typical spam.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
why vote for someone you know is going to lose?
(at best, can get 10% of the vote)
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
low blow......
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
Why continue voting for people we don't agree with just because the media says they are the only viable choices?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
This is not personally directed at you, so please don't take it personally.
so everyone is 100% happy with their candidate? happy with everything they have done in their past and their promises for the future?
people aren't able to say they have concerns about one certain aspects of their candidate?
i'm_still_here (i assume an aboma supporter), says he has concerns and he is told to shut the fuck up and stop bitching. (i don't agree with everything he is saying but that's not the point)
and if he doesn't say he has concerns, then he will be categorized as a 'sheep'. that word that people love to throw around here when they know fuck all about people. the only thing they DO know is that their opinions differ.
other than i'm_still_here, coming out and saying 'fuck obama', i'm voting nader, there is NOTHING he can say that will please some people.
damned if you do and damned if you don't right?
That's bullshit. It's not about pleasing anyone or changing anyone's mind even. It's about discussing our differences and trying to find the logic behind other people's stances. If I still disagree with your reasoning then I will continue to say so. No one is forced to post their opinion on this board but if you do then I will ask questions and disagree when I see fit...just as you have.
That's what debate is.
I have read some convincing posts on this board and changed my mind on quite a few things. But supporting Obama isn't one of those issues because I haven't heard anything that convinces me it's the best choice to make. So I keep posting why I disagree with Obama being a solution for this country...and you can in turn post why you think he is or don't post at all, doesn't matter to me. But when I don't agree with someone's reasoning, I'm going to say so.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I understand what you mean, and obviously it's hard to ever agree with your candidate 100%.
However, I'm Still Here looks like he/she doesn't agree with Obama on MAJOR issues, and, in fact, he looks like he might actually think Obama is a terrible candidate. In fact, I'm Still Here stated himself that the only reason he's voting for Obama is because he doesn't want McCain to win... which is completely different than the scenario you pointed out...
When I said 'shut the fuck up and stop bitching', I didn't actually mean he's not allowed to talk... my point was that you shouldn't complain about these things if you're not going to do anything about them. he's contributing to the corrupt political system by voting for Obama simply because he's the 'lesser evil'... my point is that if he wants change, he should do something about it HIMSELF...
i guess in a perfect world if we could find a candidate that suits us in every aspect it would be a hell of a lot easier hey.
thanks for the reply.
i understand your views.
I don't even think Nader represents my views 100%. For instance, he's pro- affirmative action and I'm not. So where this no candidate is perfect argument comes from I'll never know. Some candidates are a lot better than others, though....but no one has claimed perfection.
Great point!
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
From: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/us/politics/02fisa.html?_r=1&sq=obama%20voters%20protest&st=nyt&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=1&adxnnlx=1215493764-ZO0HrRrgMRRryPq2z6zA6g&pagewanted=print
July 2, 2008
Obama Voters Protest His Switch on Telecom Immunity
By JAMES RISEN
WASHINGTON — Senator Barack Obama’s decision to support legislation granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that cooperated with the Bush administration’s program of wiretapping without warrants has led to an intense backlash among some of his most ardent supporters.
Thousands of them are now using the same grass-roots organizing tools previously mastered by the Obama campaign to organize a protest against his decision.
In recent days, more than 7,000 Obama supporters have organized on a social networking site on Mr. Obama’s own campaign Web site. They are calling on Mr. Obama to reverse his decision to endorse legislation supported by President Bush to expand the government’s domestic spying powers while also providing legal protection to the telecommunication companies that worked with the National Security Agency’s domestic wiretapping program after the Sept. 11 attacks.
During the Democratic primary campaign, Mr. Obama vowed to fight such legislation to update the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA. But he has switched positions, and now supports a compromise hammered out between the White House and the Democratic Congressional leadership. The bill is expected to come to a vote on the Senate floor next Tuesday. That decision, one of a number made by Mr. Obama in recent weeks intended to position him toward the political center as the general election campaign heats up, has brought him into serious conflict for the first time with liberal bloggers and commentators and his young supporters.
Many of them have seen the issue of granting immunity to the telecommunications companies as a test of principle in their opposition to Mr. Bush’s surveillance program.
“I don’t think there has been another instance where, in meaningful numbers, his supporters have opposed him like this,” said Glenn Greenwald, a Salon.com writer who opposes Mr. Obama’s new position. “For him to suddenly turn around and endorse this proposal is really a betrayal of what so many of his supporters believed he believed in.”
Jane Hamsher, a liberal blogger who also opposes immunity for the phone companies, said she had been flooded with messages from Obama supporters frustrated with his new stance.
“The opposition to Obama’s position among his supporters is very widespread,” said Ms. Hamsher, founder of the Web site firedoglake.com. “His promise to filibuster earlier in the year, and the decision to switch on that is seen as a real character problem. I know people who are really very big Obama supporters are very disillusioned.”
One supporter, Robert Arellano, expressed his anger on the Obama site.
“I have watched your campaign with genuine enthusiasm,” Mr. Arellano wrote, “and I have given you money. For the first time in my life, I have sensed the presence of a presidential candidate who might actually bring some meaningful change to the corrupt cesspool of national politics. But your about-face on the FISA bill genuinely angers and alarms me.”
For now, the campaign is trying to put a positive spin on the new FISA fight among its supporters.
“The fact that there is an open forum on BarackObama.com where supporters can say whether they agree or disagree speaks to a strength of our campaign,” said Bill Burton, a campaign spokesman.
Several activists and bloggers predicted that Mr. Obama’s move toward the center on some issues could sharply reduce the intensity of support he has enjoyed from liberal activists. Such enthusiasm helped power his effort to secure the Democratic nomination, and it has been one of his campaign’s most important tools for fund-raising and organizing around the country.
Markos Moulitsas, a liberal blogger and founder of the Daily Kos Web site, said he had decided to cut back on the amount of money he would contribute to the Obama campaign because of the FISA reversal.
“I will continue to support him,” Mr. Moulitsas said in an interview. “But I was going to write him a check, and I decided I would rather put that money with Democrats who will uphold the Constitution.”
Greg Craig, a Washington lawyer who advises the Obama campaign, said Tuesday in an interview that Mr. Obama had decided to support the compromise FISA legislation only after concluding it was the best deal possible.
“This was a deliberative process, and not something that was shooting from the hip,” Mr. Craig said. “Obviously, there was an element of what’s possible here. But he concluded that with FISA expiring, that it was better to get a compromise than letting the law expire.”
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