The History Of The *Money Changers*
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Economists continually try and sell the public the idea that recessions or depressions are a natural part of what they call the "business cycle".
This timeline below will prove that is simply not the case. Recessions and depressions only occur because the Central Bankers manipulate the money supply, to ensure more and more is in their hands and less and less is in the hands of the people.
Central Bankers developed out of money changers and it is with these people we pick the story up in 48 B.C. below.
An interesting look into the timeline on Central Banks how they manipulate the citizenry. Plain and simple highway robbers, bailout what bailout?
THE FRENCH CONNECTION:The History Of The *Money Changers*
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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I am starting to hear people everywhere i go now talking more about this kind of stuff. I am actually mildly encouraged for once in a long time. I pray that instead of a "new financial order" that this "economic crisis" brings chaos and then revolution and liberty.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
What does that actually mean to you "chaos and then revolution and liberty"? What do you really know of these things? Can you describe a picture of what that would look like? Is chaos more than mass foreclosure? There will not be revolution in America because Americans are social pussies. But that's to be expected in a country where the people can be so incredibly underinformed and at the same time so magnificently narcissistic.
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I'm all for chaos and a revolution, but mostly because I'd enjoy indulging my lesser traits without consequence. Since I'm lucky enough to be one of those people who can ride high when things are up and ride out the lows, I've little incentive to kick things off though.
It's not an exciting time. It's a tragedy. Millions of jobs have been lost. Businesses shut down. Homelessness.
It's apparent that you have yet to be touched by these events in any sort of meaningful way. And, I hope it doesn't only because by the time it's gotten to you it's already taken down way too many good people. What liberty are you talking about exactly? DO you know? Is it freedom from the Federal Reserve?
Is it a return to the Gold Standard? Or Angie Bucks? Is it mobs of people in the streets all across America from sea to shining sea with torches and effigies?
What does your revolution and your freedom look like on that horizon of yours Angelica?
What true liberty looks like is the freedom to stand in the field of all potentiality. The vast masses have no idea what this is like.
Again, things are very exciting.
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To me, it looks like Escape from NY. No more centralized government, just a bunch of neighborhood gangs and warlords carving out territories. That would be fun.
"I've already experienced the massive fall of the false structures that I once identified with. It inevitably happens with everyone."
Which ones? And why does it happen to everyone? And why would everyone benefit from this the same way that you have? Your answer is a lot of empty hyperbole.
Have you lived on the streets? How long do you think you'd last? Have you ever mixed it up with street gangs? Just curious.
Nope, never lived on the streets. Nor have I fought a street gang. No clue how long I'd last, but it'd be more fun than sitting at a desk for the next 50 years. And the big deterrent for me is the law and threat of prison. If that was not an object, I'd have no qualms shooting anyone and anything in sight on the street. So let them try to get me before I get them. May the best man win.
You don't have much levity in you, do you? Why so serious?
I just did.
Come again? You lived on the streets and single-handedly battled gangs? You want a medal for being way tougher than me on a message board and proving that you could kick my ass in a pretend world that I imagined for fun based on cheesy 80's action movies? You've really got a hard on for "winning" on here. Come on, this isn't 1992... you can lighten up and have some fun sometimes! I swear, the world won't solve its problems without you and rob you of your somber fatalism.
It appears we are heading to even more terrible times. Took a different route in DC today because of the holiday and I counted 4 small businesses closed that I've known have been around for at least 10 years.
People are holding on desperately unto their jobs refusing to seek raises just so that can STILL have a job. My charity work for my local church where I serve food to the homeless and poor/needy has grown exponentially. The crowds just larger and larger as people are just getting more and more desperate.
Something of the revolutionary fight appears to be coming as this economic crisis continues and some sort of system-wide change appears to be needed.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
The fantasy is yours. If you want to walk around with your head up your ass that's your prerogative. I said nothing about any of that. I don't have a hard on for winning, kid. I called bullshit on you and that's all. You're steeped in the stuff.
Lord man, called bullshit on me making a joke about how much fun it would be to live in the Kurt Russell 'Escape from NY' movie? You got me bro. You might want to look into a hobby though. In the meantime, anytime you want to regale me with real stories of your secret life on the streets as a gang warrior, I'm all ears... since I'm not as tough as you I just have to listen to others' stories and pretend. :(
Anyway, back on topic, if the country collapses and we get a revolution, I'm getting a gun and looting the burbs before they figure out the cops can't help them. Then I'm holing up and waiting out the storm!
People can stay caught up in their stories, and in their idea of what should happen. The problem comes in when it's independent of reality. When that happens, structures fall. People choose to learn the hard way. Free will rules. more power to them.
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Are you saying then that you have undergone a symbolic death and are no longer in the bondage of your ego? And that this economic crisis will serve the people of the country as an initiation to a higher spiritual level because as they lose the things they have worked and saved for their entire lives they will not be weighted down with those material objects and so will be free to move about unencumbered?
what anyone wants to read into that is their business. I don't expect the vast majority to agree with me.
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Exactly! Like a herd of buffalo on a free range farm... we'll all be safe and happy again, no longer subject to the mechanical slaughter of government sponsored factory farms!
First of all, I'm not your fuckin bro. Second, I didn't dodge anything with you.
The fantasy is yours. I live a hell of life, kid. Yeah, I lived on the streets of NY for a few years. I've also traveled the world. I'm not wasting away behind a desk dreaming of some pussy ass ways to go out robbing people without consequence and the hiding from the cops. You're a coward. In this life and in your fantasy, which is really pathetic.
Easy bro. I'm not your kid either, but it didn't stop you from condescending to me and I didn't raise a stink about it. So you're going to have to live with "bro" unless you've got a preferred term of endearment.
Second of all, for the third time in a fourth post I'll make a fifth mention that my little 'Escape from NY' thing was meant in good fun and I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. As to cowardice, if managing to avoid being homeless in NYC for part of my life makes me a coward, so be it. It's kept me on good terms with the cops and made robbery unnecessary, for which I'm thankful. All I'm saying is if we descend to anarchy, I'd rather be one of the looters than the looted!
Where do you stand on a revolution? People are losing their homes, jobs, and careers already. How bad does it have to get before you think some change is needed?
In reading the start of that timeline, the implied moral is that a central ruling monarch is much more preferable than "the money changers". Thus, according to this, the economy worked the best when an all-powerful king took control for himself...
Fair enough, but it seems to go flat against what most of the active opponents against the "money changers" think about state control...
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Uh.
I think you are reducing the timeline and extrapolating illogical conclusions from it.
I didn't read this entire timeline so i'm not sure what else may be in it to criticize, but i have studied enough of the history of banking to understand that organized paper money banking, and the fractional reserve lending practices that followed it, did not truly come in to its own until around the 1600's.
Up until that time there had been a constant battle between governments and the forces of blacksmiths and "money changers". This battle was essentially over sovereignty, with ancient emperors and kings fighting private money interests for control of the economy -- something that any sovereign ruler would view as their right, and not that of a mere "money changer".
This deprivation of sovereign economic control was a non-issue for hundreds of years around the time of the middle ages, due to both the talley stick system's reign as "legal tender" of the day, and to religious "usury" laws (this is why Jews became enmeshed with banking and gained such a bad reputation among many, because they did not follow Church doctrine and were free to charge interest). However, coming in to the middle Renaissance period, as paper money took true prominence, and the banking interests organized more effectively, the battle between them and the sovereign rulers in europe again heated up.
While these rulers, through on to the Stuart kings, were largely resistant to banking interest pressures -- partly for religious reasons, and partly because it represented an obvious assault on their own sovereignty -- by the 1600's, the power of "the money changers" had simply grown too great.
They succeeded in "conquering" Amsterdam, and from there they began to use their own ability to print money and make loans to finance wars and opposition regimes throughout Europe in order to subvert unwilling sovereigns and replace them with new rulers that would take their loans.
(this, by the way, is the same process their successors passed on to the CIA itself, and then also to the "economic hitmen", in order to subvert entire governments and bring them to the will of the "real" rulers of the world).
As far as for the assertion that we would be "better" under monarchs, i hardly think that an idea well reasoned from this timeline.
America simply got "duped" in to a sad state of affairs -- and she got duped several times. Jackson had put an end to it, after a violent fight with the "den of vipers", as he called the central banking interest.
But after using a financial "crisis" as an excuse in the early 20th century, "the money trust" in America pulled a great swindle on the people. This history is attempting to repeat itself currently.
Though it is most unfortunate, i don't think this is a condemnation of representative government, so much as it serves as an admonition to the people that they need better keep watch over their sacred republic. Obviously we have fared no better than some of the sovereign rulers of old england in the fight against the money masters, but as of yet we have not fared any worse. Not yet, anyway.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
What up bro!
Note: I am still happy to pay local taxes that support my community
Yes I am joking.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?