Born To Be Free: The Slaughter Of Dolpins In Denmark
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Born To Be Free: The Slaughter Of Dolphins In Denmark
Stuff like this has got to stop around the world, where is man's humanity? Pirates off the coast of East Africa is this the world gone crazy?
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Stuff like this has got to stop around the world, where is man's humanity? Pirates off the coast of East Africa is this the world gone crazy?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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Fucking sad.. Wild dolphins have been known to protect humans from shark attacks. Too bad most of us don't share compassion.
By the way, the Faroe Islands are not part of the European Union and are - just like Greenland - a largely autonomous state in the kingdom of Denmark.
i'm glad i didn't click the link, the title is enough :(
why do ppl have to be so cruel?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
That first picture I thought was some sort of strange oil spill that turned red also strange I'd never heard of this story in our news media in any form. My friend just asked to spread the word about this in any way that I could.
I posted it here and on the music board I moderate for Michael Franti & Spearhead. The more people know about this the possibility of change for this kind of cruelity will come to be.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Thank you for making me chuckle this morning. I needed it.
:(
That said, if these animals die needlessly or if they are endangered species it needs to stop.
If they use the meat as a source of food and kill the animals quickly, which actually seems to be the case, I don't see how it's different than fishing, or the slaughter of cattle.
One could agrue the slaughter of cattle is worse, at least these dolphins don't live in captivity.
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Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
the images clearly show that the death process is extremely cruel and horrendous ... this act is done as a rite of passage for "man" ...
this is not about food or subsistence nor the economy ... it is yet again another example of "man" showing it's dominance over nature ...
Well, some like to base our opinions on more than just pictures and stories posted on non-objective websites.
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well ... then what do you base your opinion on? ... are you saying the pictures are photoshopped? ... i suppose if i died - i'd like to be hacked to death ... :rolleyes:
really ... herding whales into a shallow bay and then hacking them to death is considered humane these days!??
Pictures are pictures. I have one here where it looks like I'm holding a gigantic boulder as if I'm the strongest person ever. I'm not, though. But it's not photoshopped
http://www.whaling.fo/nammco99whalingandanimal.htm
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They don't hack them to death.
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pictures are indeed pictures ... and what these pictures tell is EXACTLY what your link says ...
if you have read your own link and believe the stress, suffering and unnecessary slaughter of these animals is ok - then so be it ... but it is clear tho that we are basing our opinion with a similar perspective ... so, this has nothing to do with biased or unbiased websites but really a matter of what we both consider humane ...
read your own link ... they use a hook to secure the whale - then they use a knife ... average time to "death" is 65.4 seconds ... that is not including the stress associated with being herded into a shallow bay, nor the knowledge that your fellow whales are being killed and is based on a successful attempt at their slaughter ...
"the images clearly show that the death process is extremely cruel and horrendous ... this act is done as a rite of passage for "man" ... "
Nope, sorry. Try again. That's not what the link says at all.
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I've read it, I think you need to read it again.
"On the basis of this new knowledge, slaughtering methods in the pilot whale hunt were once again reviewed. The traditional method using the spinal cut was reconfirmed and reintroduced as the superior method. Scientific evidence actually established that the age-old traditional method was in fact more effective than had originally been thought. In addition to paralysing and therefore immobilising the whale with the spinal cut, the same cut also severs the major blood supply to the brain, thus causing a rapid loss of consciousness due to lack of oxygen."
Your words: hack: to cut into pieces in a rough and violent way, often without aiming exactly (cambridge)
Also, with the new method the average is 29 seconds.
"With the use of the traditional whaling hook, the average total time-to-death taken in the 199 whales recorded was 65.4 seconds ... With the use of the blowhole hook, recorded with a total of 52 whales, the average time-to-death was 29.2 seconds."
"With the new knowledge concerning the nature of the blood supply to the brain in pilot whales, it can also be confirmed that the traditional method of slaughtering using the whaling knife results in the loss of consciousness in only a few seconds after the spinal cord and surrounding blood vessels have been severed"
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1. effective does not necessarily eliminate the cruel nature of the act - all it means is that it's the most effective
2. even at 29.2 seconds - how long do you want to be knifed before you die?
again - this does NOT include the stresses associated with the herding process or the knowledge that other whales are being slaughtered around them ... also, you assume that each kill occurs proficiently where the hunter hits his spot every time ...
this entire process to preserve a traditional way of life? ... they can't even eat the meat anymore ...
also again - if you think the process outlined by your own link is humane - so be it ... the process is simple: herd the whales into shallow water; hook them and then slash them with a knife ...
However, as the slaughter is done manually it cannot, by definition, be instantaneous, which is the ideal in all forms of slaughter, including traditional slaughterhouse methods as well as hunting.
all for "tradition" ...
Depends, if I lose consciousness rapidly, which is the case, they can knife me for as long as they want.
True, but I doubt they'll have traumas, they're being killed
I don't assume anything, by the way.
If you can find me the post where I said it's humane go ahead and show it to me.
All I was doing is showing the other side of the story, the side that site clearly doesn't show. It misinforms the people case in point; your wrong discription of the events.
They don't hack the animals to death and the death process isn't "extremely cruel and horrendous." Facts, my friend, tell a different story.
You have brought up an excellent point, though, that they cannot use the meat anymore, or only within a month after the hunt. So, they should reduce the number of animals they kill, imo.
So?
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they only lose consciousness after their spinal cord is cut - that is well into the process ...
uhhh - it's the process and necessity of the death ... by your assertation - if they are being killed and that trauma is irrelevant - why try and say the process isn't cruel?
haha ... if you are basing your comments on the semantics of the term "hack" - then it really has been a colossal waste of a discussion ... the original pictures showed exactly what your link showed - the hooking of the whales and the knifing of the whale ... there was no misinterpretation ... the variance in opinion is that you say it isn't cruel and i say it is ... this is what we've been discussing ...
so? ... i think we either agree that the process is cruel or we don't ...
What the hell? Who are you, man? Seriously, you don't know anything about me.
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