Twelve Reasons to Reject Obama and Support Nader/McKinney

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    MrBrian wrote:
    Another thing,

    Obama was not for a Bush impeachment, he does not believe Bush or Dick did anything serious enough to be impeached.

    Yet Bush Trying to Avoid War Crimes Charges before he leaves office. It appears he wants to leave with a clean record however sneaky it can be.

    No wonder there's a ballot initiative in San Francisco to name a sewage plant after him.

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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    First of all.

    Nader knows he won't win the election. Once again he's trying to get his 5% so that The Green Party can get the funding for 2012.

    I love Ralph to death. The man has done great things and is an amazing consumer advocate. I was on board with him in 2000 because we do need a strong viable 3rd Party in the United States.

    Nader's ideas are great and they're perfect for a 3rd Party platform to balance out the Right and Left.

    But just like 2004, we have to get our priorities in order. We have to get Obama in the White House and that is where our focus should lie.

    There is just too much at stake and there is too much that has to be done in the short term.

    Many of Ralphs ideas are good. But they're just too radical "Washinton Standards" to be able to tackle right now.

    Obama although not perfect, will provide enough change from the current administration to at least lay the groundwork to getting this country back on track.

    Once that has been accomplished; then we can think about getting a third party the 5% required to compete.

    Just my 2 cents.


    Ralph Nader is not even running to get 5% for the Greens to qualify them for Federal matching funds in the next election. He is running as an independent, and did the same in 2004. He actually has never been a member of the Green Party - he was nominated by the Greens in 1996 and 2000, but he's always been a registered independent - which is something I admire about him. In 2004 and 2008, he also sought the nomination of the Green Party, but they wanted one of their own to run, and this year, it's McKinney. But anyway, having been an active member of the Green Party (I was the Communications Director for the Massachusetts Greens for a few months in 2005 - LOL) I've realized something - political parties are counterproductive in a system of representative democracy. By their very nature and existence, they inspire partisanship and division. Ideally, we should all be independent. But maybe we can't help having the "us vs them" mentally. I don't know. My brain hurts and I need to sleep.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    MrBrian wrote:
    How do you plan on changing America? it can not be done with a ballot?
    How do you plan on holding him (Obama)accountable? Do you really see Americans holding anyone accountable? 8 years of Bush and the people went with it.

    Could not even Impeach Bush!...

    If Obama gets into a war with Iran, or kills some innocent people via a missle strike into Pakistan or Iran, maybe you will say "Well, if it was McCain it would be a lot more innocent deaths, i'm glad I voted Obama, less blood on my hands"
    If Obama goes into Iran I go to the streets. His actions are on my hands, and yours, whether you vote for him or not. Or McCain. Its the nature of power.

    But no significant change has ever happened in American history without popular protest. We need to make them change the system. General strikes, protests, powerful public displays. We can't elect a president and hope for change-that's giving up. We elect a president and demand change. that's the American way.

    Obama has run on a campaign of change-a campaign for the working class. But no change happens without significant popular protest. He can say whatever he wants, if we do nothing he can do anything. Like Bush. But he gives us an opening. He has claimed he will bring about FUNDAMENTAL change. Our job will be to hold him to his campaign rhetoric.

    We are the power...not some president or representative or lobbyist. We are the power in this country. The people.

    This is a significant time in American history. The only comparable time is the great depression. We have a choice. And its very simple and very clear. Each individual in this country has chance to choose. Who do we want in the Whitehouse? Its very simple. And the answer isn't found in third party hope.
  • Collin wrote:
    Your freedom is irrelevant to you? Freedom from the bankers, military and corporations who have bought your country is not important to you?

    You rights as a citizen of the US are not important to you?

    Stopping more senseless, endless and extremely expensive wars is irrelevant?


    That's what happens when you get addicted to the notion of a certain candidate winning ...and the ironic part is the big two don't really address any of that, but it affects everything underneath it. Some hack at the branches, others strike at the root.

    The common sense blinders go on, and out come the pom poms...

    Maybe it's just a big game of let's pretend for now.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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