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Has Blackwater USA become the New and Improved SS???

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Before I get started I just want to say it has been great joining the PJ Club especially here at MT.

Now back to the question of the day, Has Blackwater USA become the SS like what Germany had back in WWII?

I say yes in that they have immunity from justice through powers given from the Justice Dept. In signs of trouble they're given "a window or isle seat out of the country". Anytime you can murder the Vice President of Iraq's bodygaurd and get away with not being charged you've got some clout.

They were in charge of security of New Orleans in that they were the ones not allowing folks to re-enter their own homes. Lawless cowboys roaming Iraq for $1000+ a day while the grunts get pennies for dodging IUD's.

I wonder how our troops are taking this?

Here's the head, CEO of Blackwater USA testifing in DC: Mr. Prince Goes to Washington: Blackwater Founder Testifies Before Congress.

What's your thoughts on this so called private company?

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  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Imagine when they get turned on their own citizens?

    That crash in Afgan a few years ago that came to light the other day with the voice recordings does a good job of how those boys take their job.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    [quote="g Lawless cowboys roaming Iraq for $1000+ a day while the grunts get pennies for dodging IUD's.

    What's your thoughts on this so called private company?

    Peace[/quote"]

    LOL, IUDs.

    After the laughter, back to the point, Blackwater is contracted to operate through the State Department. This gives them immunity from Justice Department prosecution. It gives them immunity from Congressional oversight. It gives them immunity from the President of Iraq. The only thing Iraq could have done was to ask them to leave. Since Blackwater is supposedly the State Department's protection force, Blackwater does not have to leave. Also, as Blackwater is contracted to operate through the State Department their funding is categorized as "diplomatic" service and does not have Congressional oversight on "how" the money is spent.

    Right now Prince knows he is limited and only operational because of this Iraq conflict. Prince also knows that his operation is growing, not enough to take on the US military, but enough to influence the powers of the military and the war corporations to effectively become a legalized private "military" within the U.S. Blackwater and others like them can and will become a legalized gobal SS-type military.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    they have a cool name for a mercenary group, you have to admit that.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    MrSmith wrote:
    they have a cool name for a mercenary group, you have to admit that.

    Better than Sweepers!
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    is it better then hamas or hezbollah?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071004/ap_on_go_co/congress_blackwater

    i wonder if bush will veto it.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    I don't believe that the SS model can be improved on.....they were the pinnacle of all that is bad in the human soul and magnified to a degree that most of us can't understand.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    tybird wrote:
    I don't believe that the SS model can be improved on.....they were the pinnacle of all that is bad in the human soul and magnified to a degree that most of us can't understand.
    AMY GOODMAN: Jeremy Scahill is the author of that book, the New York Times bestseller, Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army. He attended yesterday’s hearing, joins us from Washington, D.C. Welcome to Democracy Now!, Jeremy.

    JEREMY SCAHILL: Thanks, Amy.

    AMY GOODMAN: Can you set the scene for us?

    JEREMY SCAHILL: Well, Erik Prince is a man who has never held a press conference. He’s only known to have given one television interview, and that was on Fox News shortly after 9/11. He’s a guy whose company has gone after people, reporters, journalists, who have taken his photo. This is a man who’s incredibly secretive and has tried to avoid having his face in the public spotlight. In fact, the last time he was invited to testify in front of the Congress, it was in February, and instead of showing up himself, he dispatched his lawyer Andrew Howell. So this was a major day, where you see the mercenary king of the United States appearing not just before Congress, but before the cameras of the world. He certainly was uneasy having to do that, but he probably faced a choice himself, and that was to either show up on his own volition or to face a subpoena, where he would have been required to show up.

    When Erik Prince stepped into the room, he was mobbed by photographers, and he came in, not with an army of armed mercenaries, but with an army of lawyers and advisers. And one of the people with him was Barbara Comstock, who’s a well-known Republican operative and a crisis management consultant. Blackwater had the first and second rows basically empty behind Mr. Prince, with the exception of his team of advisers and his consiglieri, and an unidentified man on several occasions during the course of the hearing himself interrupted the hearings and asked Henry Waxman to be able to consult with Prince. And then, what would result from that is that Erik Prince would turn around, and his advisers and lawyers would pile around him like a sports team plotting out their next play. It was very dramatic.

    And I think that the issue here is that the Democrats really, I feel, dropped the ball on many of the most important issues surrounding Blackwater. Yes, there were some important questions raised. But for the most part, they steered away from some of the most devastating and violent incidents involving the company. The ambush at Fallujah in March of 2004, for instance, wasn’t addressed at all, except in passing. And there were a number of family members of the four Blackwater operatives who were killed in that incident. That’s a crucial one for the Congress to investigate, not only because of the allegations that Blackwater sent those four men into Fallujah in unarmored vehicles, short two men, and without heavy weapons, but because of the enormous price that Iraqi civilians paid for the deaths of those four corporate employees, the Bush administration ordering the leveling of Fallujah and, of course, the inflammation of the Iraqi resistance. There are a number of other incidents that never came up in the hearing.

    I think that what needs to happen is that Erik Prince needs to become a more frequent visitor to Capitol Hill than his industry lobbyists have been over the past several years, and his visits should always begin with his right hand raised and cameras in front of him.

    AMY GOODMAN: Jeremy, the Fallujah attack that killed the four Blackwater employees, we have rarely heard in the corporate media that, in fact, Blackwater is being sued by the families of those Blackwater employees.

    JEREMY SCAHILL: That’s right. And Henry Waxman's committee last week released a devastating study that essentially said that Blackwater was responsible for what happened that day, by sending the men out ill-prepared into what was arguably the most dangerous city in the world.


    That might be so about the SS but Blackwater USA is just getting started so they have a chance to catch up to being Mr. Bush's private army funded by you and I through our taxes.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    tybird wrote:
    I don't believe that the SS model can be improved on.....they were the pinnacle of all that is bad in the human soul and magnified to a degree that most of us can't understand.


    Tell that to the people of El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Argentina, Angola, Congo, Thailand, Cambodia, the list could go on and on. The SS was a formulated military unit of its country's military, regardless of the mission it carried out. Blackwater is a formulated as guns for hire with many people who operated in the conflicts of these named countries. Blackwater has already improved on the SS, it has become a legalize enforcement operation permitted to operate anywhere in the world, including your own backyard. People will understand their actions because we'll justified them; soon when no one is paying attention the number hits two million and people will become dumbfounded or refuse to believe they couldn't see what was happening in front of them. Blackwater is only getting started.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    tybird wrote:
    I don't believe that the SS model can be improved on.....they were the pinnacle of all that is bad in the human soul and magnified to a degree that most of us can't understand.

    I agree with this, not that I think Blackwater is the best company in the world but comparing them to the SS is such an enormous exaggeration that it is almost ridiculous. I mean you might as well be comparing Blackwater to an army of Bogeymen. Not only does it give no perspective to the crazy things Blackwater is doing it also dilutes how evil and fucked up the SS and the Nazi’s actually were.
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Has the US Army?
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Has the US Army?


    Go ask one of its members. And good luck with that. Remember to duck.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    puremagic wrote:
    Tell that to the people of El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile, Argentina, Angola, Congo, Thailand, Cambodia, the list could go on and on.
    Most of the bad guys in those places learned their "skills" based on what the SS did....I not standing in admiration of what the SS did...just stating the facts. The only thing that those of those you mention may have that the SS didn't is children in arms.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Not all of Blackwater's 'Employees' are Americans. There are British, Austrailian, French and even Russian citizens in their ranks. They are basically a mercenary army who get paid top dollar for their skills. many (or most) of these guys are former Special Forces or foriegn Commando troops.
    Yeah... they're bad asses... the only problem I would see with them is they hold no allegience to one country... like why should a former British Commando give a fuck what some punk ass U.S. Army Lieutenent orders?
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Cosmo wrote:
    Not all of Blackwater's 'Employees' are Americans. There are British, Austrailian, French and even Russian citizens in their ranks. They are basically a mercenary army who get paid top dollar for their skills. many (or most) of these guys are former Special Forces or foriegn Commando troops.
    Yeah... they're bad asses... the only problem I would see with them is they hold no allegience to one country... like why should a former British Commando give a fuck what some punk ass U.S. Army Lieutenent orders?

    They don't get orders from the US Army.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Why the hell would i need to buy a Grizzly APC ?

    seriously, give me a reason. i want one.

    if i get 2 would they throw in an airship for free?
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Go ask one of its members. And good luck with that. Remember to duck.

    No need to duck, to talk to me they don't get their orders from the corrupt administration. The fact is, many wonder the same thing.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    gue_barium wrote:
    They don't get orders from the US Army.
    ...
    That's my point... they do not have to answer to the U.S. Military over there.
    but, in the same sense... to the Iraqi people... Blackwater and our military are one in the same. Foriegners in uniforms with guns in charge of their country.
    ...
    The SS soldiers were part of the German Army and took their orders from German Command... Blackwater answers to Blackwater who gets their orders from ????
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    That's my point... they do not have to answer to the U.S. Military over there.
    but, in the same sense... to the Iraqi people... Blackwater and our military are one in the same. Foriegners in uniforms with guns in charge of their country.
    ...
    The SS soldiers were part of the German Army and took their orders from German Command... Blackwater answers to Blackwater who gets their orders from ????
    Blackwater, in concert with whichever corporation they have contracted out to.

    edit: And I have to disagree with you that the general population of Iraqi's don't know the difference between the mercenaries and the government armies.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    Blackwater, in concert with whichever corporation they have contracted out to.

    edit: And I have to disagree with you that the general population of Iraqi's don't know the difference between the mercenaries and the government armies.

    Also, without the American-written laws in place over there, it is unlikely Blackwater could be serving in the "unaccountable" capacity that they do. So, in that sense, they are given permission by our government. Also, many of the corporations in Iraq are under government contract, so again, in that sense, they are a government operative.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    gue_barium wrote:
    Blackwater, in concert with whichever corporation they have contracted out to.

    edit: And I have to disagree with you that the general population of Iraqi's don't know the difference between the mercenaries and the government armies.
    ...
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    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/128307748_ed82e0cb2b.jpg?v=0


    You tell me... which ones are Blackwater and which ones are U.S?
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    gue_barium wrote:
    Blackwater, in concert with whichever corporation they have contracted out to.

    edit: And I have to disagree with you that the general population of Iraqi's don't know the difference between the mercenaries and the government armies.
    AMY GOODMAN: Jeremy, can you explain Erik Prince's ties to the Republican Party?

    JEREMY SCAHILL: Well, it’s interesting, because the Republicans on the committee, not just during this hearing, but also in the February hearing when Blackwater’s lawyer testified, tried to sort of say that this was a smear campaign against Blackwater, because some of the company's executives are close to the Republican Party. And they’ve attempted to say that Blackwater is a nonpartisan operation. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, comes from a powerhouse conservative Republican family in Michigan. His father was a major bankroller, not only of the Republican Revolution of 1994, but also a major funder of several of the key groups that make up the core of the radical religious right. His dad gave the seed money to Gary Bauer to start the Family Research Council. Erik Prince was an early intern in the first team of interns that Gary Bauer took on. Gary Bauer, also a signer of the Project for a New American Century, the neoconservative agenda adopted by the White House. Also, they were very close to James Dobson and his Focus on the Family prayer warrior network.

    Erik Prince himself has given several hundred thousand dollars to Republican campaign causes, including nearly $200,000 to the Republican National Committee. He also has continued his family tradition of bankrolling radical rightwing religious groups. Erik Prince also has a long history of being involved with the Republican Party. He was an early intern at George H.W. Bush’s White House. And that’s just talking about Erik Prince.

    You can go down the line of other Blackwater executives that are not only connected to the Republican Party and the conservative establishment in this country, but also to the current Bush administration, people like J. Cofer Black, the former head of Counterterrorism at the CIA; Joseph Schmitz, the former Inspector General at the Pentagon. The original lawyer for the company dealing with that Fallujah lawsuit we talked about was none other than Fred Fielding, who’s now Bush’s White House counsel. More recently, their lawyer has been Ken Starr.

    In fact, Erik Prince has actually given money to Green Party candidates in an attempt to defeat Democratic candidates in elections against Republicans. So, very clearly, Erik Prince is an ideological foot soldier, not only for the administration, but for the Republican Party in general.

    AMY GOODMAN: Well, let's go to this issue of Erik Prince’s ties to the Republican Party, which came up only once in Tuesday’s hearing during questioning by California Republican Darrell Issa.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: Let's just go to one area that I think hasn’t been discussed, and others might not discuss it. Is your sister's name Betsy DeVos?

    ERIK PRINCE: DeVos.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: Yes. Is that your sister?

    ERIK PRINCE: Yes, it is.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: And is she -- was she a former Michigan Republican Party chairwoman?

    ERIK PRINCE: Yes, she was.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: And was she a Pioneer for Bush?

    ERIK PRINCE: I don’t know. Could be.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: Was she a large contributor to President Bush?

    ERIK PRINCE: They probably were.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: And raised a lot of money for President Bush?

    ERIK PRINCE: Could easily be.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: Went to the Republican conventions in 2000 and 2004?

    ERIK PRINCE: I would imagine they did, yes.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: Isn’t it true that your family, at least that part of the family, are very well-known Republicans?

    ERIK PRINCE: Yes.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: Wouldn’t it be fair to say that your company is easily identified as a Republican-leaning company and, in fact, the Amway Company somewhat so because of family members there? You don’t have to speculate overly, but isn't that generally something you understand?

    ERIK PRINCE: Blackwater is not a partisan company. We haven’t done any -- you know, we execute the mission given us, whether it’s training Navy sailors or protecting State Department personnel. Yes, I have given individual political contributions. I’ve done that since college, and I did it when I was an active-duty member of the Armed Services, and I’ll probably continue doing that forward. I don’t give that -- I didn’t give up that right when I became a defense contractor.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: Right. OK, Mr. Chairman --

    REP. HENRY WAXMAN: Gentleman’s time is expired.

    REP. DARRELL ISSA: Just to finish the thought, like we did on the other side of the aisle, I think you're exactly right, that in fact, well, being identified as partisan Republican, in fact, your company appears to have done what all companies do, which is, in fact, operate to do the job they're doing in a nonpartisan way. And I would hope that this committee and the public takes note that labeling some company as Republican-oriented because of family members is inappropriate, and I would hope that we not do it again. And I yield back.


    Yes this is the corporation that they're contracted out to The Republican Coporation Party. He and his wealthy family gives hundreds of thousands to this party and in return they get a little over 600 milliion dollar contract in Iraq to do whatever the RCP tells them to do.

    They'll be in yours and mine backyard soon with as much clout as they've been given.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/128308539_8b033cb5c9.jpg?v=0
    The guy in the forgound with the wifebeater on is not a GI.
    http://graphics.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2007/09/21/1190422198_4791/410w.jpg
    non-GI
    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/128307780_8c0cddc133.jpg?v=0
    non-GI
    http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070920/capt.sge.bpg03.200907200445.photo01.photo.default-377x512.jpg
    GI
    http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070918/capt.sge.ata41.180907193003.photo01.photo.default-512x342.jpg
    GI
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    GI


    You tell me... which ones are Blackwater and which ones are U.S?[/quote]
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Blackwater Defends Role: Video

    Tracing the Paths of 5 Who Died in a Storm of Gunfire

    Gunshots in Nisoor Square
    Blackwater security guards were involved in a shooting at Baghdad's Nisoor Square on Sept. 16 in which 14 Iraqi civilians were killed and 18 injured, according to hospital records. The sequence of events, as described by Iraqi witnesses:

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • lgtlgt Posts: 720
    gue_barium wrote:
    The guy in the forgound with the wifebeater on is not a GI.


    non-GI


    non-GI


    GI


    GI


    GI


    You tell me... which ones are Blackwater and which ones are U.S?
    [/quote]

    How do you make the distinction? Not being sarcastic - I genuinely would like to know.

    Because they just look like soldiers to me, so I would assume to the general Iraqi population and to other non-trained eyes {what Cosmo argued, I believe}.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I believe on average they get paid $1,222 per day.

    Blackwater....modern day SS...given free reign?...yes most definitely.

    Gitmo...modern day SS concentration camp?....again yes.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I believe on average they get paid $1,222 per day.

    Blackwater....modern day SS...given free reign?...yes most definitely.

    Gitmo...modern day SS concentration camp?....again yes.


    If you are going to use "Blackwater is the SS" analogy than what is their "Final Solution" that they swear alliance to? As near as I can tell Blackwater guys are in it for the cash, which is something that is a lot easier to control than an idea that you are part of a master race.

    If Gitmo is a concentration camp, where are the gas chambers and cremation furnaces?

    I am not trying to defend Blackwater or Gitmo, it is just when people exaggerate like this and compare things to the Nazis it doesn’t give people a real idea of what is going on.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    If you are going to use "Blackwater is the SS" analogy than what is their "Final Solution" that they swear alliance to? As near as I can tell Blackwater guys are in it for the cash, which is something that is a lot easier to control than an idea that you are part of a master race.

    If Gitmo is a concentration camp, where are the gas chambers and cremation furnaces?

    I am not trying to defend Blackwater or Gitmo, it is just when people exaggerate like this and compare things to the Nazis it doesn’t give people a real idea of what is going on.

    side question: if you are being detained ... would you rather get gassed or sit in solitary confinement for 5 years?
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    If you are going to use "Blackwater is the SS" analogy than what is their "Final Solution" that they swear alliance to? As near as I can tell Blackwater guys are in it for the cash, which is something that is a lot easier to control than an idea that you are part of a master race.

    If Gitmo is a concentration camp, where are the gas chambers and cremation furnaces?

    I am not trying to defend Blackwater or Gitmo, it is just when people exaggerate like this and compare things to the Nazis it doesn’t give people a real idea of what is going on.

    The eradication of an citizens that oppose the US. The only difference is the approach, and that is greying out over time as well, it's modernized now so people can stomach it in bits and pieces.

    A duck is a duck, no mater which side of the pond it swims on.

    Shoot to kill....it's all the same.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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