New Light Cast on Bush’s Iraq Plans

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edited September 2007 in A Moving Train
A leaked transcript of talks between President George W. Bush and José Maria Aznar, former Spanish prime minister, has cast fresh light on the diplomatic wrangling that preceded the Iraq war.

Speaking in February 2003, a month before the invasion, Mr Bush told his Spanish counterpart that US forces would be in Baghdad by the end of March regardless of whether the United Nations authorised the use of force.

He also talked about punishing countries that failed to support a UN resolution backing the war and outlined an offer by Saddam Hussein, the former Iraqi leader, to go into exile in return for $1bn, which he said the US would reject.

The White House on Thursday declined to comment in response to questions about the transcript, which was first reported this week in El País, the Spanish newspaper, but did not challenge the accuracy of the report.

“We have to get rid of Saddam,” Mr Bush told Mr Aznar in a meeting at the president’s Texas ranch, according to the transcript.

“In two weeks we will be ready militarily. We will be in Baghdad at the end of March.”


It appears Mr. Bush had an interesting mindset before the invasion into Iraq @ New Light Cast on Bush’s Iraq Plans.

Now he's up with plans for Iran where or when will it end?

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  • you mean he was going to do it anyway?
    ::Gasp::
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    It appears Mr. Bush had an interesting mindset before the invasion into Iraq @ New Light Cast on Bush’s Iraq Plans.

    Now he's up with plans for Iran where or when will it end?

    Peace

    of course his mind was made up. thats nothing new. but I really dont think he is going to invade Iran with a year left in his presidency. congress wouldnt approve it, fuck we dont even have enough troops to fight 3 freakin wars...I hope and believe all this Iran BS is just tough guy talk between 2 bonehead leaders
  • his papa raised him ready for it.
    Oh dear dad
    Can you see me now
    I am myself
    Like you somehow
    I'll ride the wave
    Where it takes me
    I'll hold the pain
    Release me
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course his mind was made up. thats nothing new. but I really dont think he is going to invade Iran with a year left in his presidency. congress wouldnt approve it, fuck we dont even have enough troops to fight 3 freakin wars...I hope and believe all this Iran BS is just tough guy talk between 2 bonehead leaders

    My point on this matter is that it was not all about WMD's more about outing Saddam (revenge factor) then controlling the oil in this country. Then all the war profiteering that would follow and has followed ever since.

    I sure you'll be surprised when the bombs are falling on IRAN cause it matters none how much time he has in his Presidency, it's going to happen.

    Candidate Clinton voted to pass a resolution to fight this war in Iran, I wonder what she'll say when the bombs are falling and innocent people are dying, I wonder???

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course his mind was made up. thats nothing new. but I really dont think he is going to invade Iran with a year left in his presidency. congress wouldnt approve it, fuck we dont even have enough troops to fight 3 freakin wars...I hope and believe all this Iran BS is just tough guy talk between 2 bonehead leaders

    I'm not too worried about the Us attacking Iran, as you mentioned we really don't have the troops to do that at this time. What does worry me is Israel launching air strikes into Iran. Somthing like that can definitely bring a lot of chaos to an already fucked up region and further escalate the war in Iraq to include Iran and possibly Syria.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    My point on this matter is that it was not all about WMD's more about outing Saddam (revenge factor) then controlling the oil in this country. Then all the war profiteering that would follow and has followed ever since.
    at that point bush already was convinced saddam has WMDs and was a threat. (or so he says) and of course he has some revenge in mind. his dad went to war with him and didnt finish him off.
    g under p wrote:
    I sure you'll be surprised when the bombs are falling on IRAN cause it matters none how much time he has in his Presidency, it's going to happen.
    nah, I disagree.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    I'm not too worried about the Us attacking Iran, as you mentioned we really don't have the troops to do that at this time. What does worry me is Israel launching air strikes into Iran. Somthing like that can definitely bring a lot of chaos to an already fucked up region and further escalate the war in Iraq to include Iran and possibly Syria.

    if Israel attacks them unprovoked they should be on their own.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if Israel attacks them unprovoked they should be on their own.

    I agree but you know that if they did attack them unprovoked we would back Israel up.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    I agree but you know that if they did attack them unprovoked we would back Israel up.

    yea you're right. I think the most Israel would do is bomb some nuke sites. but from what I have read Iran and the IAEA are making progress. I just hope Israel is that stupid
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    i think it is funny that some of you think bush wouldnt order strikes against iran...

    where the fuck are you guys getting that, did he turn over a new leaf that i havent seen? his legacy is fucked, his presidency is fucked, he is a puppet for elite interests, and he doesnt give a fuck what we think obviously...

    it is going to happen, not a matter of if, but when
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    my2hands wrote:
    i think it is funny that some of you think bush wouldnt order strikes against iran...

    where the fuck are you guys getting that, did he turn over a new leaf that i havent seen? his legacy is fucked, his presidency is fucked, he is a puppet for elite interests, and he doesnt give a fuck what we think obviously...

    it is going to happen, not a matter of if, but when

    It's not that I think Bush has come to his senses. It's that he doesn't have the resources to do so. An air strike against Iran could cause open Iranian involvement in Iraq. Our troops there have a hard enough time handling rag tag militias and insurgents never mind having to deal with Iranian Revolutionary Guard incursions across the Iraq-Iran border.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    i think it is funny that some of you think bush wouldnt order strikes against iran...

    where the fuck are you guys getting that, did he turn over a new leaf that i havent seen? his legacy is fucked, his presidency is fucked, he is a puppet for elite interests, and he doesnt give a fuck what we think obviously...

    it is going to happen, not a matter of if, but when

    too many reasons for him not to. bush knows his horrible approval rating. he knows the strong opposition to the Iraq war. he only has a year left. congress will not give support for any military action against Iran.

    if anything, he might call for airstrikes against nuke sites but thats it. he would not invade and occupy the country
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    jlew24asu wrote:
    too many reasons for him not to. bush knows his horrible approval rating. he knows the strong opposition to the Iraq war. he only has a year left. congress will not give support for any military action against Iran.

    if anything, he might call for airstrikes against nuke sites but thats it. he would not invade and occupy the country

    That sort of sounds like how we went after Iraq and look at the situation now. In a war with Iran it's never going short, neat and sweet.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    That sort of sounds like how we went after Iraq and look at the situation now. In a war with Iran it's never going short, neat and sweet.

    Peace

    that doesnt sound like Iraq at all. we invaded. pure and simple. I dont see us marching to Tehran and removing the regime. we simply dont have the resources to do that.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    jlew24asu wrote:
    that doesnt sound like Iraq at all. we invaded. pure and simple. I dont see us marching to Tehran and removing the regime. we simply dont have the resources to do that.

    We shall see, it always appears we never have the money to fund the war in Iraq but yet still the money is always there. The resources will be there.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    We shall see, it always appears we never have the money to fund the war in Iraq but yet still the money is always there. The resources will be there.

    Peace

    we have plenty of money to fund wars. what we dont have is enough boots on the ground.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    jlew24asu wrote:
    too many reasons for him not to. bush knows his horrible approval rating. he knows the strong opposition to the Iraq war. he only has a year left. congress will not give support for any military action against Iran.

    if anything, he might call for airstrikes against nuke sites but thats it. he would not invade and occupy the country

    You may still think we not invade or attack through bombing but our actions on the ground appear to be otherwise. Take a look at the article War Inches Closer to Iran then click on the video on the right.

    This whole rethoric sounds similar to the lead up to the war in Iraq not much difference to me.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • my2hands wrote:
    i think it is funny that some of you think bush wouldnt order strikes against iran...

    where the fuck are you guys getting that, did he turn over a new leaf that i havent seen? his legacy is fucked, his presidency is fucked, he is a puppet for elite interests, and he doesnt give a fuck what we think obviously...

    it is going to happen, not a matter of if, but when

    c'mon my2...either he's a puppet, or he's pulling the strings to get his groove on with iran. you can't have it both ways.

    personally, i don't think anything is going to happen with iran while he's still in office. and before i hear "have another cup of kool-aid" let me make this perfectly clear: this is my opinion, mmmkay? i'm not stating it as a fact. i have no idea what is being planned, but i just don't see going after iran as something that's going to happen while bush is still president.
    "Have you ever.........pooped a balloon?"
    ~D.K.S.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Sept. 18, 2007 | WASHINGTON -- The grand debate about Gen. David Petraeus' Capitol Hill testimony last week on U.S. strategy in Iraq focused primarily on troop levels, withdrawal dates and whether Bush's so-called troop surge was succeeding. But widely overlooked was Petraeus' sales pitch to lawmakers for one initiative he said will help save the war-torn country: massive arms sales from the U.S. government to Iraq.

    "Iraq is becoming one of the United States' larger foreign military sales customers," Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Sept. 11, noting that Iraq has inked deals to buy $1.6 billion in arms from the U.S., with the "possibility of up to $1.8 billion more." Data obtained by Salon shows the arms sales could rise far higher than even the amount the general suggested last week.



    .......And we're supposed to be horrified about weapons being funneled into Iraq from Iran, yeah right! Here's a look at how the US is supplying Iraq contrary to what is said Iran is doing @ Guns, not Roses, for Iraq

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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