Drunken Mother Gets Treatment, Not Prison Time

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edited December 2007 in A Moving Train
ST. CHARLES, Mo. -- A doctor for a woman whose baby died from alcohol poisoning minutes after birth is angered that his patient will avoid a seven-year prison term if she completes an alcohol treatment program.

But treatment advocates say the sentence is the proper way to help Sherri Lohnstein battle alcoholism.

Lohnstein, a 34-year-old from Lincoln County, pleaded guilty last week in St. Charles County Circuit Court to involuntary manslaughter.

She was sentenced to four months in a substance abuse treatment program in the Missouri Department of Corrections. If she completes the treatment program, a judge can place her on probation, but she also will have to complete drug court, a program that monitors defendants to help them kick addictions.

Prosecutors say Lohnstein was drunk the day she gave birth, with a blood-alcohol level of 0.18 percent. Her daughter Zreanna was born several weeks prematurely on Sept. 9, 2006, with a blood-alcohol level of 0.17 percent, and died of acute intoxication.

Lohnstein also smelled of alcohol during one checkup, and her blood-alcohol level registered 0.22 percent. In Missouri, a driver is considered legally drunk at 0.08 percent.

Only in America you can get 4 months drug treatment for literally killing your OWN child but like Michael Vick kill and abuse dogs and you get two years. She showed up for several examinitions with over 2. alcohol level prior to the birth of her baby.

When will we start to Stay Human America? Should she have spent time in prison knowingly drinking her bay to death I certainly think so here's the full story Newborn Dies From Alcohol Poisoning?

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  • I'll never understand how people can become alcoholics like that...

    I don't get it. Do you not feel like total crap after a while, or do you just somehow get used to feeling like total crap...

    It's so hard on the body, alcohol is officially poison afterall.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    I'll never understand how people can become alcoholics like that...

    I don't get it. Do you not feel like total crap after a while, or do you just somehow get used to feeling like total crap...

    It's so hard on the body, alcohol is officially poison afterall.

    both. you get used to it and you still feel it. it's like that nirvana lyrics "i miss the comfort in being sad." you feel like hell, but you need the feeling becos being sober is worse.

    in any case, i hope the OP is pro-life, becos how can the mother be charged with murder if the doctor would not have been if he had performed an abortion?
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    If she was sentenced to do time in jail, would she still have access to the substance abuse program so that when she was released she would have more chance of not falling back into the same trap? If she is just locked away in jail with no thoughts of rehabilitation when she is released, isn't there a good chance of the same thing happening again if she has another child? I'm not saying she should 'escape' the law but i do think we should at least try to rehabilitate her.

    Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is currently the leading cause of mental retardation in the US. How sad is that? Babies are being born all the time to mothers like the one in that story. The only difference is those poor little things live, and who knows what sort of hell they are subjected to. I don't know the answer to the problem, but i do think if possible we should try to educate people like this lady. We have to try. What good will it do locking her up for a few years, not trying to rehabilitate her, and then setting her free, back to whatever sort of life she was leading before.
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    If she was sentenced to do time in jail, would she still have access to the substance abuse program so that when she was released she would have more chance of not falling back into the same trap? If she is just locked away in jail with no thoughts of rehabilitation when she is released, isn't there a good chance of the same thing happening again if she has another child? I'm not saying she should 'escape' the law but i do think we should at least try to rehabilitate her.

    Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is currently the leading cause of mental retardation in the US. How sad is that? Babies are being born all the time to mothers like the one in that story. The only difference is those poor little things live, and who knows what sort of hell they are subjected to. I don't know the answer to the problem, but i do think if possible we should try to educate people like this lady. We have to try. What good will it do locking her up for a few years, not trying to rehabilitate her, and then setting her free, back to whatever sort of life she was leading before.

    I agree. :) And I'd also like to know why it is her doctor was angry that she avoided jail? Surely there was 9 months to encourage her to attend treatment, even get a court order requiring she attend, discourage her from carrying the pregnancy to term, a whole range of things that should have happened BEFORE she gave birth? By all means be angry but alcoholism is a disease, clearly this woman's life is already a disaster. Jailing her after the fact doesn't seem to be a solution to the problem to me. Seems that this wasn't just a failure on her part but a failure of the health professionals that attended her in that time AND of the system for not enabling them to do more to stop the situation from turning out as it did.
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    If she was sentenced to do time in jail, would she still have access to the substance abuse program so that when she was released she would have more chance of not falling back into the same trap? If she is just locked away in jail with no thoughts of rehabilitation when she is released, isn't there a good chance of the same thing happening again if she has another child? I'm not saying she should 'escape' the law but i do think we should at least try to rehabilitate her.

    Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is currently the leading cause of mental retardation in the US. How sad is that? Babies are being born all the time to mothers like the one in that story. The only difference is those poor little things live, and who knows what sort of hell they are subjected to. I don't know the answer to the problem, but i do think if possible we should try to educate people like this lady. We have to try. What good will it do locking her up for a few years, not trying to rehabilitate her, and then setting her free, back to whatever sort of life she was leading before.

    I agree that rehabilitation was a must in this case she was surely going to return to her alcoholism after any jail time she was going to serve. I also think the judge and prosecution also were thinking of her OTHER 3 children and who was going to care for them while she possibly served time in prison.

    Still doesn't make it right for her to drink herself into FAS to the detriment of her baby. I hope she can learn from this tragedy and make herself a better mother.

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    If she was sentenced to do time in jail, would she still have access to the substance abuse program so that when she was released she would have more chance of not falling back into the same trap? If she is just locked away in jail with no thoughts of rehabilitation when she is released, isn't there a good chance of the same thing happening again if she has another child? I'm not saying she should 'escape' the law but i do think we should at least try to rehabilitate her.

    Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is currently the leading cause of mental retardation in the US. How sad is that? Babies are being born all the time to mothers like the one in that story. The only difference is those poor little things live, and who knows what sort of hell they are subjected to. I don't know the answer to the problem, but i do think if possible we should try to educate people like this lady. We have to try. What good will it do locking her up for a few years, not trying to rehabilitate her, and then setting her free, back to whatever sort of life she was leading before.

    I agree that rehabilitation was a must in this case she was surely going to return to her alcoholism after any jail time she was going to serve. I also think the judge and prosecution also were thinking of her OTHER 3 children and who was going to care for them while she possibly served time in prison.

    Still doesn't make it right for her to drink herself into FAS to the detriment of her baby. I hope she can learn from this tragedy and make herself a better mother.

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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    if she had aborted the child, she wouldn't have to do either
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    I don't understand the sympathy for this bitch. She deliberately kept drinking after being warned and knowing the effects it could have on her and her unborn child which ultimately results in a premature live birth and her child dying. For those who say she has already suffered enough, ever wonder what it would feel like to slowly suffocate over months and months at a time until your first breath of life outside the womb is your last breath of life. Life and death in a moment and this bitch has suffered enough. Maybe a trial that resulted in this bitch going to jail would send a strong message to others who drink excessively while pregnant. Would it have made a difference if the bitch also smoked?
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    puremagic wrote:
    I don't understand the sympathy for this bitch. She deliberately kept drinking after being warned and knowing the effects it could have on her and her unborn child which ultimately results in a premature live birth and her child dying. For those who say she has already suffered enough, ever wonder what it would feel like to slowly suffocate over months and months at a time until your first breath of life outside the womb is your last breath of life. Life and death in a moment and this bitch has suffered enough. Maybe a trial that resulted in this bitch going to jail would send a strong message to others who drink excessively while pregnant. Would it have made a difference if the bitch also smoked?

    i dont feel sympathy for her really, nor do i think she's suffered enough. i just think jail won't do an alcoholic like her much good.
  • I think that she should have gotten time... we send drunk drivers who kill people to jail, even if they are alcoholics.

    My brother is an alcoholic that actually just got out of rehab a couple of weeks ago, so I know how strong the addiction is, and the havoc it can cause, but at the same time, if you take someone's life, then you should be held accountable. Granted, the system should be in place to help the mother with her addiction, but her just getting better is only part of what needs to happen.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    i dont feel sympathy for her really, nor do i think she's suffered enough.

    i just think jail won't do an alcoholic like her much good.

    That's the problem, it shouldn't be about her, it should be about what she did. I'm all for case-by-case judgement calls, but sometimes the line is clear. Intoxication can not continued to be used as excuse for offenses that would normally require jail time.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    puremagic wrote:
    That's the problem, it shouldn't be about her, it should be about whe she did. I'm all for case-by-case judgement calls, but sometimes the line is clear. Intoxication can not continued to be used as excuse for offenses that would normally require jail time.

    it's not an excuse. and it should be about her. what is punishment for? to make you feel better or to try and prevent further crime and rehabilitate the criminal? i say if they can get her sobered up (and this is a good time to try), then they should. but tossing her in jail only means she will do it again when she gets out.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    it's not an excuse. and it should be about her. what is punishment for? to make you feel better or to try and prevent further crime and rehabilitate the criminal? i say if they can get her sobered up (and this is a good time to try), then they should. but tossing her in jail only means she will do it again when she gets out.


    It is used as an excuse to escape punishment that would otherwise have criminal implications.

    What is the punishment for, how about the repeated reckless action that caused the DEATH of her child.

    Tossing her in jail for years would certainty sober her up. It would also, as I previously stated, send a message of consequences for excessive drinking during pregnancy.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    The big issue is that justice is very poorly defined. The legal justice uses their own limited definition of justice and the public uses another.

    For me justice has to include the following three things; 1. punishment, 2. atonement, and 3. non-reoccurance.

    Punishment is usually jail time, probation or fines. But sometimes the legal system pretty much does away with punishement as in this case.

    Atonement is not part of the current legal system but I believe it should be. It could come in the form of mandatory volunteer time. Atonement hopefully brings the offender back into being a caring or at least more active, contributing community member.

    Non-reoccurance has to do what needs to be done to make the offender less likely to offend again. This is quite often going to be things like drug and/or alcohol rehab, debt councelling and gaming addiction rehab, mental health services. The big issue is what do we do with addicts who aren't ready for rehab? Putting a junkie back on the streets without rehab will lead to reoffending. Putting a junkie thru rehab when they are not ready for it is a waste of time and money and will only lead to reoffending.

    How do you protect the public from addicts who do not want help?
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