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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    El_Kabong wrote:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=211248

    These points have already had so many holes poked in them that they can be ignored in my opinion.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MakingWaves wrote:
    You are correct that it is pointless to discuss on here. Many people on this board have also given you plenty of evidence and brought up many good points, along with expert opinion...so on and so on. And hard headed people like you also pretend these things have never been posted spout off bullshit claims.

    That is why I also don't bother anymore. I don't know why i jumped back into this one.

    Like what? That same Popular Mechanics piece that has an obvious bias...you guys treat it like the holy grail.
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Like what? That same Popular Mechanics piece that has an obvious bias...you guys treat it like the holy grail.

    Why does the Popular Mechanics have an obivous bias...because of someone who works at Popular Mechanics?? Show something in that article that is biased and not based on fact.

    Why do I bother with this? It is a circle of arguements with one side that I believe is based on nothing but theories and speculation. No facts. Like I said before, I appreciate other peoples opinions but just in this instance I don't think you could be more wrong. The simple fact of how many people would be involved with this conspiracy to stay a conspiracy is too much for me to believe.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    MakingWaves wrote:
    Why does the Popular Mechanics have an obivous bias...because of someone who works at Popular Mechanics?? Show something in that article that is biased and not based on fact.

    Why do I bother with this? It is a circle of arguements with one side that I believe is based on nothing but theories and speculation. No facts. Like I said before, I appreciate other peoples opinions but just in this instance I don't think you could be more wrong. The simple fact of how many people would be involved with this conspiracy to stay a conspiracy is too much for me to believe.
    yes, theories and speculations but all based on hard and convincing evidence...

    if you do... provide a link to an argument about this... something with hard evidence that suggests otherwise.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MakingWaves wrote:
    Why does the Popular Mechanics have an obivous bias...because of someone who works at Popular Mechanics?? Show something in that article that is biased and not based on fact.

    Why do I bother with this? It is a circle of arguements with one side that I believe is based on nothing but theories and speculation. No facts. Like I said before, I appreciate other peoples opinions but just in this instance I don't think you could be more wrong. The simple fact of how many people would be involved with this conspiracy to stay a conspiracy is too much for me to believe.

    yes, there have been FACTS posted...you might not like them but that doesn't negate their existance.

    There have been plenty of 'conspiracies' that have included numerous people to pull them off. That statement doesn't make or break the argument for either side.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=249173
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Like what? That same Popular Mechanics piece that has an obvious bias...you guys treat it like the holy grail.

    LOL

    The PM piece has a bias but you don't, of course!
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://jonesreport.com/articles/100806_debunking_lies.html


    Popular Mechanics has re-entered the media circus in an attempt to continue its 9/11 debunking campaign that began in March of last year. A new book claims to expose the myths of the 9/11 truth movement, yet it is Popular Mechanics who have been exposed as promulgating falsehoods while engaging in nepotism, shoddy research and agenda-driven politics.

    It comes as no surprise that Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corporation. As fictionalized in Orson Welles' acclaimed film Citizen Kane, William Randolph Hearst wrote the book on cronyism and yellow journalism and Popular Mechanics hasn't bucked that tradition.

    The magazine is a cheerleader for the sophistication of advanced weaponry and new technology used by police in areas such as crowd control and 'anti-terror' operation. A hefty chunk of its advertising revenue relies on the military and defense contractors. Since the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and in the future Iran all cite 9/11 as a pretext, what motivation does the magazine have to conduct a balanced investigation and risk upsetting its most coveted clientele?

    Popular Mechanics' March 2005 front cover story was entitled 'Debunking 9/11 Lies' and has since become the bellwether reference point for all proponents of the official 9/11 fairytale.

    Following the publication of the article and its exaltation by the mainstream media as the final nail in the coffin for 9/11 conspiracy theories, it was revealed that senior researcher on the piece Benjamin Chertoff is the cousin of Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

    This means that Benjamin Chertoff was hired to write an article that would receive nationwide attention, about the veracity of the government's explanation of an event that led directly to the creation of Homeland Security, a body that his own cousin now heads.

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    LOL

    The PM piece has a bias but you don't, of course!

    I don't have any direct interests conflicting with mine.
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  • MakingWaves
    MakingWaves Posts: 1,294
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    yes, there have been FACTS posted...you might not like them but that doesn't negate their existance.

    There have been plenty of 'conspiracies' that have included numerous people to pull them off. That statement doesn't make or break the argument for either side.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=249173

    In my opinion there have not been any facts posted that support these claims. An you are right about plenty of 'conspiracies' including numerous people. I for one believe in the JFK conspiracy but it would have involved a handful of people on the inside and the people who were outside that circle were killed. In this instance we are talking about hundreds and hundreds of people who would have to be involved and to me that just isn't possible.

    But hey, I like you and have read a lot of your posts and you are obviously a smart person. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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  • CorporateWhore
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    El_Kabong wrote:
    i thought the head nist investigator said he had "no idea" what happened to building 7?????

    Don't worry, that still doesn't even come close to addressing Popular Mechanic's expert testimony from all across the scientific spectrum. Pick out another random detail about 9/11, though.

    They interviewed top rate engineers from universities whereas you've read a few crackpot blogs and seen some YouTube videos. But no! I'm going to agree with you. You've got things figured out.

    This explains why you are completely incapable of addressing the scientific data. Nothing 9/11 Truth people say has anything to do with science because that would open their claims up to intelligent discourse, which would quickly destroy them on contact.

    You can tell their ideas are completely unreasonable because when confronted with legitimate engineers on the issue, they all switch their arguments. That is the mark of a lousy theorist.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    MakingWaves wrote:
    In my opinion there have not been any facts posted that support these claims. An you are right about plenty of 'conspiracies' including numerous people. I for one believe in the JFK conspiracy but it would have involved a handful of people on the inside and the people who were outside that circle were killed. In this instance we are talking about hundreds and hundreds of people who would have to be involved and to me that just isn't possible.

    But hey, I like you and have read a lot of your posts and you are obviously a smart person. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

    I always like your posts, too....just not the ones concerning 9/11. :p

    It's cool...we can definitely agree to disagree. :)
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  • mookie9999
    mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    MakingWaves wrote:
    I have posted this on here plenty of times but because the Senior Editor of Popular Mechanics or something like that is someones 3rd cousin in the Bush Administration he is also part of the conspiracy.

    I didn't realize that Bush or anyone in his family or his cabinet's family believed in Science. Interesting.
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  • MakingWaves
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    mookie9999 wrote:
    I didn't realize that Bush or anyone in his family or his cabinet's family believed in Science. Interesting.

    That is funny.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
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    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Don't worry, that still doesn't even come close to addressing Popular Mechanic's expert testimony from all across the scientific spectrum. Pick out another random detail about 9/11, though.

    They interviewed top rate engineers from universities whereas you've read a few crackpot blogs and seen some YouTube videos. But no! I'm going to agree with you. You've got things figured out.

    This explains why you are completely incapable of addressing the scientific data. Nothing 9/11 Truth people say has anything to do with science because that would open their claims up to intelligent discourse, which would quickly destroy them on contact.

    You can tell their ideas are completely unreasonable because when confronted with legitimate engineers on the issue, they all switch their arguments. That is the mark of a lousy theorist.

    Those are bullshit claims. Any quick search of the 9/11 threads would prove that. but please...continue to say whatever you want... whether it's true or not apparently means nothing to you.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    i don't believe in science... :rolleyes:
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  • CorporateWhore
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    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Those are bullshit claims. Any quick search of the 9/11 threads would prove that. but please...continue to say whatever you want... whether it's true or not apparently means nothing to you.

    You guys don't know shit about 9/11
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You guys don't know shit about 9/11

    Since you said it...it must be true!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    g under p wrote:
    I'm sure by now many have seen various videos and movies on 9/II. However, take a look at this movie called 9/II Mysteries and please share your opinion on what you think? Forgive if this has been posted here before but I had my doubts on 9/II the Twin Towers and who would profit from their demise. This is only my 2nd post here.

    This movie somewhat ties in with that other movie posted here "Zeitheist" which begs us to "Question Authority" then make be accountable.

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    check who profits from inventing the mysteries. if you can't believe your eyes then you can't believe your mind. nobody profited from 9/11. it cost us all something whether it be tax dollars or losing a loved one.
    look at the fact that even if washington knew the time of the attack a week in advance; what could they do? a preemptive strike would have put the world in an uproar. the hijackers were already in the us so grounding all aircraft would have been the only solution. once again the country would be in an uproar.
    conspiracy theories sell books and tele shows. that's where the profit is. there was also a lot of profit to anyone that had pictures or video of the attack. that day brought the highest price; it was lower the next day. anyone with video sold it and it was public within a week. now we see videos surfacing 6 years later. do you think this person saved this video or maybe doctored an existing video?
    if bush had any profit from the attack; i'd like someone to tell me what it was. it actually cost him. it cost him popularity and he couldn't follow through with projects and programs he wanted to do. so he paid the highest price.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You guys don't know shit about 9/11

    you're right. they don't. who here is an expert that can really say? not one. we just pass BS around and come up with hair brained theories. it's our way of wasting time. it's our way of pointing fingers. people think if they say it enough others will start to believe.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    onelongsong wrote:
    if bush had any profit from the attack; i'd like someone to tell me what it was. it actually cost him. it cost him popularity and he couldn't follow through with projects and programs he wanted to do. so he paid the highest price.


    The guy had the world in his pocket and only after trying to convince them that there was no need to go and bomb the fuckhead's countries back into the stone age who were actually behind the plot and to go after Iraq is when his little world came crumbling down. Only after that mistake. 911 made him a god and he couldn't even run with that properly.
    You've changed your place in this world!

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