Why does everyone believe the latest intel????

810wmb

aren't these the same guys y'all have been yelling about from the start of the war???

why do you believe them now, if they were so fucking wrong before?

Cosmo

810wmb wrote:

aren't these the same guys y'all have been yelling about from the start of the war???

why do you believe them now, if they were so fucking wrong before?

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That's the same thing I am wondering.
If the Intelligence in Iraq was completely off-base... why should any of us believe the Intelligence reports coming out of Iran?

Byrnzie

Cosmo wrote:

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That's the same thing I am wondering.
If the Intelligence in Iraq was completely off-base... why should any of us believe the Intelligence reports coming out of Iran?

Because the intelligence community never claimed that Iraq was a threat to the security of the western world and that it possessed weapons of mass destruction. This was the claim made by politicians after they doctored the intelligence and exaggerated any threat.
Remember Collin Powell at the U.N holding up pictures of trucks and claiming that they may be used to transport W.M.D's? And how he then held up some satellite pictures of some warehouses or factory buildings and claimed that these may be used to build W.M.D's? What a joke that was!
Has everyone here forgotten the 'Secret downing street memo' which made it clear that the politicians knew perfectly well Iraq posed no threat in 2003?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article387374.ece

my2hands

810wmb wrote:

aren't these the same guys y'all have been yelling about from the start of the war???

why do you believe them now, if they were so fucking wrong before?

hahahahahahaha


you have no clue what to do now... this is so funny for all of those bomb iran hard liners that havent had a clue what they were talking about since jump street

this american intel report is actually well behind the IAEA reports saying THEY HAVE NOT BEEN PURSUING WEAPONIZATION

the shit has been out there in clear view for quite some time...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://www.youtube.com/v/iXgxemYiXQ4&rel=1

810wmb

my2hands wrote:

hahahahahahaha


you have no clue what to do now... this is so funny for all of those bomb iran hard liners that havent had a clue what they were talking about since jump street

it's a good question - flake off


roland - love the tune

blackredyellow

Byrnzie wrote:

Because the intelligence community never claimed that Iraq was a threat to the security of the western world and that it possessed weapons of mass destruction. This was the claim made by politicians after they doctored the intelligence and exaggerated any threat.
Remember Collin Powell at the U.N holding up pictures of trucks and claiming that they may be used to transport W.M.D's? And how he then held up some satellite pictures of some warehouses or factory buildings and claimed that these may be used to build W.M.D's? What a joke that was!
Has everyone here forgotten the 'Secret downing street memo' which made it clear that the politicians knew perfectly well Iraq posed no threat in 2003?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article387374.ece

Exactly... a big difference this time around. Instead of politicians taking raw intelligence data and making whatever conclusion they want to fit their agenda, this intelligence is actually a consensus opinion and interpretation of the 16 government intelligence agencies.

Kann

810wmb wrote:

aren't these the same guys y'all have been yelling about from the start of the war???

why do you believe them now, if they were so fucking wrong before?

There was no intel with formal proof of wmds. Just Powell and his ridiculous powerpoint presentation in the UN.

macgyver06

810wmb wrote:

aren't these the same guys y'all have been yelling about from the start of the war???

why do you believe them now, if they were so fucking wrong before?

i believe the report because its a report that Bush doesnt benefit from...and its obvious by his child-like behavior since the report.

why do you side with this administration and not the people?

virtual traitor

better start practicing that right to bear arms amendment or learn how to kiss ass when the shit goes down and you got a bush sticker on your face

Cosmo

Byrnzie wrote:

Because the intelligence community never claimed that Iraq was a threat to the security of the western world and that it possessed weapons of mass destruction. This was the claim made by politicians after they doctored the intelligence and exaggerated any threat.
Remember Collin Powell at the U.N holding up pictures of trucks and claiming that they may be used to transport W.M.D's? And how he then held up some satellite pictures of some warehouses or factory buildings and claimed that these may be used to build W.M.D's? What a joke that was!
Has everyone here forgotten the 'Secret downing street memo' which made it clear that the politicians knew perfectly well Iraq posed no threat in 2003?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article387374.ece

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Okay... I get it... so, it's the Intelligence Agencies who are correct... and the politicians that see what they want to see who are wrong.
Well, I convinced. Now, I hope all of the other idiots that believe politicians instead of Intelligence agencies and their agents follow suit.

malabogia

I also believe that the report is genuine but the question is why the Bush administration let it leaked or declared to the media? This certainly destroy all their efforts and their credibility. maybe someone in the agency is really pissed of Bush
But maybe it is just a small part of the big picture that is being prepared by the same people who claimed that Iranians were making the bomb.
Yeah I watched "Zeitgeist", so what?

mammasan

malabogia wrote:

I also believe that the report is genuine but the question is why the Bush administration let it leaked or declared to the media? This certainly destroy all their efforts and their credibility. maybe someone in the agency is really pissed of Bush
But maybe it is just a small part of the big picture that is being prepared by the same people who claimed that Iranians were making the bomb.
Yeah I watched "Zeitgeist", so what?

Well my only thaught is that something this big and important is hard to keep under wraps.

even flow?

810wmb wrote:

aren't these the same guys y'all have been yelling about from the start of the war???

why do you believe them now, if they were so fucking wrong before?

Who really believes it? All I get from it is an open invitation to smear some facts ala Iraq and say "our intel was off" and people like you still won't volunteer to keep America beautiful and your troops won't ever come home. Alive and well that is. US soldiers are going to take over the higher percentage of illegal immigrants coming to Canada by the year 2011

810wmb

malabogia wrote:

I also believe that the report is genuine but the question is why the Bush administration let it leaked or declared to the media? This certainly destroy all their efforts and their credibility. maybe someone in the agency is really pissed of Bush
But maybe it is just a small part of the big picture that is being prepared by the same people who claimed that Iranians were making the bomb.
Yeah I watched "Zeitgeist", so what?

yep, pay attention to who wrote it...also it's just a judgement...the facts to support it are in the part we won't see


by the way, y'all are crazy if you think iran isn't pursuing nukes.

if they haven't bought one already from the russians



http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/12/nie_an_abrupt_aboutface.asp

Cosmo

810wmb wrote:

yep, pay attention to who wrote it...also it's just a judgement...the facts to support it are in the part we won't see


by the way, y'all are crazy if you think iran isn't pursuing nukes.

if they haven't bought one already from the russians

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Wanting and possessing are two completely different things... I want a 1962 Ferrarri 250 GTO but, my possessing one is going to take quite a lot of resources... resources currently not available to me.

810wmb

Cosmo wrote:

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Wanting and possessing are two completely different things... I want a 1962 Ferrarri 250 GTO but, my possessing one is going to take quite a lot of resources... resources currently not available to me.

no shit really? thank you!

any other insights?

Cosmo

810wmb wrote:

no shit really? thank you!

any other insights?

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You're welcome.
I could tell, you need further clarification on such matters.

Thecure

we believe for the simple reason that it proves our belief. it's just the way it is, we look for things that we find suit our beliefs. it is easier than saying sure this intel is wrong, as in the past it was wrong.

it is for this reason that the world is so fucked up.

810wmb

Thecure wrote:

we believe for the simple reason that it proves our belief. it's just the way it is, we look for things that we find suit our beliefs. it is easier than saying sure this intel is wrong, as in the past it was wrong.

it is for this reason that the world is so fucked up.

i thank you!

Commy

Thecure wrote:

we believe for the simple reason that it proves our belief. it's just the way it is, we look for things that we find suit our beliefs. it is easier than saying sure this intel is wrong, as in the past it was wrong.

it is for this reason that the world is so fucked up.

Very true.

Cosmo

Thecure wrote:

we believe for the simple reason that it proves our belief. it's just the way it is, we look for things that we find suit our beliefs. it is easier than saying sure this intel is wrong, as in the past it was wrong.

it is for this reason that the world is so fucked up.

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Isn't this the definition for 'Truthiness'? Where Truthiness is defined as things that a person claims to know intuitively or "from the gut" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination or facts.
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For example; Our little friend here wants so much to go to war with Iran... that he believes they have nukes... regardless of what silly Intelligence Reports state. Facts... those are only for people who think with their heads... as opposed to those who know with their hearts. Think... or know. I think that fire will burn my hand vs. I KNOW that fire will burn my hand. I think.. vs. ... I KNOW.
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Think about it... no... know about it.