obama's citizenship
BetterThanYou
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before you want to start slamming me, i just want to clarify that i had not heard anything about this before last night and would like someone to fill me in on the whole thing if you know about it. one of my co-workers told me before i went home that he had heard obama might not have been a natural born US citizen. i did a quick search online earlier and saw a couple things that said he's supplied a birth certificate, but it was a copy and didn't have a raised seal on it. what's the deal with this? has he provided a legit birth certificate? is this all just bullshit? i really don't want this to be something resembling a "well, mccain said...." thread. unless, of course, mccain actually said that. but i think if mccain had started this rumor, i'd like to think i would have already heard about it. but seeing as how there's been nothing in the paper or on the news when i watch it, i figured it was maybe some whacko conspiracy bullshit.
so what's the dealio?
so what's the dealio?
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~D.K.S.
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i'm just asking for clarification on this. when i was told this story, the first thing that ran through my mind was "well how the fuck can he be on the ballot then? don't they check this shit out beforehand?"
~D.K.S.
THIS won't happen because whoever's job it is to make sure he's a citizen needs to get fired or will risk getting fired. Especially to let it get this far there's better mileage with the ACORN scenario.
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
i knew you were good for something
thanks
one last thing. i noticed on his birth cert. that he's barack hussein obama II. aren't roman numerals supposed to be used when it's III or higher? shouldn't he be a jr? i had a friend in college that used to use II at the end of his name and i always gave him shit for it.
~D.K.S.
lol, damn right!
I don't know about the junior/II thing. Maybe some people just choose not to use "jr". Maybe it's a cultural thing?
i really don't care, i just like giving shit for the II and i don't care who it is that uses it. maybe someday i can meet him and i'll grill him on that subject. "you're not a II! you're a jr! quit denying your jr-ness!"
~D.K.S.
haha
I'm a II, and thats whats on my birth certificate.
Same here. My certificate, SS card, and driver's license all have the II. I'm just glad I didn't have to be a Junior all my life. I guess it depends on how one's parents fill out the birth certificate.
~D.K.S.
When I was young, I had a cocaine and amphetamines problem that ended up with my living on the streets and rethinking my entire life.
Nowadays, I have to keep that a secret because people will no doubt judge me for my past regardless of how much I've recovered since then.
If GW had been honest about being a spoiled cokehead in Texas, I would've forgiven him. But, instead he denied any of it and contributed to the lie that forces other people like me to live in silence, when it would be much healthier for us to be able to talk about it, as drug addiction is a life-long problem even when the addict hasn't used them in decades.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
:rolleyes: I hope this is a joke!
Enough!!
Have The Balls To Talk About Issues, Real Issues, Something That Fucking Matters Or Get The Fuck Off This Board!!
I'm So Fucking Sick Of This Fucking Shit!!
Settle down.
Who the fuck pissed in your wheaties?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
is a site run by the Annenburg group, of which Obama was Chairperson fro a considerable time.
Factcheck.org, in this case, is an oxymoron.
Not sure if its true or not, but here's the dirt you need to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs
neither of us has a raised seal and they both look like copies...
...guess we aren't citizens either
I don't owe you anything. I stand by my comment.
Deputy District Attorneys
Marion County District Attorney's Office
D THIS IS REALITY MY FRIEND THE TRUTH IS HERE AND NOW!
On July 24, 2008 a Marion County Grand ASSES found that the
police officer shooting of Andrew James Hanlon, which occurred on June 30,
2008, was a lawful use of deadly physical force.
a videotape ( TAMPERED WITH ) Gonzalez's interview was shown.
The Grand Jury with LIESof the scene three diagrams, as well as photographs of the residences
of Shannon Kelley and of Andrew Hanlon's sister, Melanie Heise.
Additionally, the Grand Jury heard call of a burglary in
e
shooting. The Grand Jury LIED//autopsy report of Andrew Hanlon,
prepared by the Oregon State Medical Examiner's Office, NAZI DRUGS
Andrew Hanlon and Tony Gonzalez,(THE PEODOPHILE) medical/mental
health (SWITERLAND BANK ACCOUNTS) phrmacutial companies!!
Of the four police officers that testified, two were called to testify about
the scene of the incident and Tony Gonzalez's condition after the shooting.
The third officer, the lead detective, was called only to lay the foundation
for the previously mentioned photos, the dispatch recordings and the
videotaped interview of Tony Gonzalez. The fourth and final officer was from
an independent law enforcement agency outside Marion County. This officer
trains other police officers on use of force and was called to testify about
proper police procedure.
Three of the nine civilian witnesses who testified were called primarily to
tell the Grand Jury about Andrew Hanlon as a person.
These witnesses were his sister, his roommate, and his best friend. While
none of these witnesses had first hand knowledge of what occurred on the
night of the shooting, the state believed the Grand Jury needed to hear
information about Andrew Hanlon to achieve a fair and accurate portrayal of
this incident.
CHENEY?BUSH LIED on June 30, 2008. They included the woman (RELATION TO CHENEY)who called 911
to report a burglary in progress as Andrew Hanlon was attempting to break
into her home as well as the man who was an eyewitness THE SLAUGHTER OF AN INNOCENT IRISH CITIZEN?
SNAKE BROOKS ROY DIRKS WRONGFUL DEATH BROOKS VS DIRKS HAWAII COURTS? LEARN LOOK HOW IS THAT FOR CORRUPTION OF OREGON PEODOPHILES?? BOIHA WE ARE AT WAR OF GOOD AND EVIL THEY LIED TO THE WORLD THEY ARE THE ASSES IN POWER.
11:20 p.m., Shannon Kelley ( A RELATIVE OF CHENEY)heard the sound of
TRUMPETS DIRTY DEEDSdoor of her Silverton residence as she was reading a
book in her upstairs bedroom was home with her three young
children and her parents, who were visiting from Montana. Mrs. Kelley's
husband, Josiah Kelley,was waiting in the SHADOWS nearby. Upon hearing
the knock, Mrs. Kelley assumed that her husband had returned home and simply
KEY WORDS CHENEY LAWYER IN TEXAS SHOT IN THE FACE? LIES
Mrs. Kelley turned on the porch light and saw a
man on her front porch that she did not know and had never seen before.
man was later identified as Andrew Hanlon.
THEY SHOT HIM IN COLD BLOOD!
Andrew Hanlon appeared to be acting very strangely. He was unable to stand
HE WAS ALREADY WOUNDED< THE COP DID THIS HE IS A DIRTY PEOPHILE
WHO FUNDED THE NAACP? 1700? 1842/1900 WTF? HOMER WHERE ARE YOU?
. Andrew Hanlon COULD NOT SPEAK IN HIS DEFENSE HE WAS DEAD
speaking in Old English, yelling phrases that included, "Thou shalt let me
in!" He also yelled that he had a sword and made gestures as if he was
swinging a sword although he did not appear to be armed. At one point, he
peered inside the window next to the front door and shook his fist at Mrs.
Kelley's father. He continued to yell and scream and at one point he claimed
to be the "angel of death." As Mrs. Kelley watched, Andrew Hanlon literally
howled at the moon. Eventually Andrew Hanlon's screams ceased to be
comprehensible and became "guttural" and "animalistic." Mrs. Kelley had
already called 911 to report that someone was attempting to break into her
house. Her fear was obvious on the 911 call, and in the background of that
call, Andrew Hanlon can be heard screaming and beating on the door.
Andrew Hanlon continued to punch and kick the door to the point that Mrs.
Kelley and her parents all had to put their bodies against the door to keep
him from kicking it down.
Note: After Andrew Hanlon fled from the scene of the attempted burglary,
inspection of the Kelleys' front door revealed blood, blood spatter and even
skin tissue.
Once Andrew Hanlon realized that he was unable to punch or kick down the
door, he ran from the porch to the driveway, got a running start and began
to hurl himself against the Kelleys' front door. He did this a number of
times. After his final run at the door, Andrew Hanlon screamed something
incomprehensible and abruptly ran off down the hill going through the trees
and blackberries, without shoes, toward Oak Street.
Mrs. Kelley's 911 call came in, police were dispatched to her
residence. Dispatch continued to relay information to responding officers
throughout the course of the 911 call. Tony Gonzalez and Silverton Police
Officer Josh Barnett responded. Dispatch recordings show that officers were:
Upon hearing that Andrew Hanlon was coming down the hill, Tony Gonzalez
parked his patrol car near the residence at 606 Oak Street and got out to
attempt to locate Andrew Hanlon.
DETAILS TECHINCAL READ ON
This address had five vehicles parked in a row in the driveway in
front of and to the east of the residence.
As Tony Gonzalez approached the wooded portion of the hill east of the
residence on Oak Street, he heard branches breaking. Tony Gonzalez shined
his flashlight into the trees and saw Andrew Hanlon. Tony Gonzalez did not
know Andrew Hanlon either personally or by reputation. He had had no prior
contact with Andrew Hanlon, nor was he aware of anything other than what
dispatch had advised.
Andrew Hanlon, Tony Gonzalez did draw his service weapon,
he ordered him to come down and to show him his hands. Andrew Hanlon
did Comply with the pedophiles orders
orders, he cut behind the first of the five parked vehicles and began moving
west, parallel to Oak Street
of the parked vehicles, Tony Gonzalez hunted him down and shot again
Andrew Hanlon, also moving west, parallel to Oak Street. When Andrew Hanlon
went behind the second parked vehicle, he ducked down out of sight. Tony
Gonzalez, believing that Andrew Hanlon may run, began to go in between the
second and third vehicles to cut off a possible escape route. As Tony
Gonzalez moved towards Andrew Hanlon at the rear of the vehicles, Tony
Gonzalez heard a sound that he thought was glass breaking.
Note: It is the opinion of investigators that the sound was Andrew Hanlon
kicking or bumping into a recycling bin that had glass bottles in it causing
them to clink together. There is no evidence of broken glass.
Upon hearing this noise, Tony Gonzalez believed that Andrew Hanlon could be
armed with a broken bottle and he drew his service weapon. Andrew Hanlon
then stepped out from behind the second vehicle. At this point, Tony
Gonzalez and Andrew Hanlon were within five to eight feet of each other. The
area was only partially illuminated and Andrew Hanlon was turned sideways
and would not face Tony Gonzalez. Therefore, Tony Gonzalez was only able to
see Andrew Hanlon's right hand. Tony Gonzalez then ordered Andrew Hanlon to
show him both of his hands and to get down on the ground. Andrew Hanlon did
not comply with those orders, so Tony Gonzalez yelled them again. For a
moment it appeared that Andrew Hanlon was going to comply; he said, "Okay,"
and started to reach toward the ground. However, he then stood back up
straight and quickly bent down again, as if to touch the ground, and let out
a scream and leapt towards Tony Gonzalez. Tony Gonzalez began to retreat as
Andrew Hanlon chased after him swinging his arms, kicking and screaming. As
Tony Gonzalez backed up, he cleared the two vehicles he had been between and
continued back all the way across the driveway and into Oak Street. Andrew
Hanlon continued advancing on Tony Gonzalez this entire distance,
approximately twenty-five feet and Tony Gonzalez was never able to get more
than five feet from Andrew Hanlon. At some point as Tony Gonzalez was
retreating, he began to shoot at Andrew Hanlon in an attempt to defend his
life under the circumstances. Tony Gonzalez fired his weapon seven times.
Andrew Hanlon continued to chase Tony Gonzalez even as he fired his weapon.
Andrew Hanlon finally stopped and fell to the ground just as he was entering
the street. Autopsy results show that Andrew Hanlon was shot five times and
that he died as a result of the gunshot wounds he sustained.
As this incident was occurring, Silverton resident, Jeff DeSantis, was
driving along Oak Street. Mr. DeSantis did not know either Tony Gonzalez or
Andrew Hanlon. Upon seeing Tony Gonzalez's patrol car parked in the street,
Mr. DeSantis stopped his vehicle. Mr. DeSantis then looked to his left and
saw the beginning of the confrontation between Tony Gonzalez and Andrew
Hanlon. Mr. DeSantis had an unobstructed view and was approximately
thirty-five feet from Tony Gonzalez and Andrew Hanlon when it began. When
Mr. DeSantis first observed them Tony Gonzalez and Andrew Hanlon were at the
rear of the two vehicles and Tony Gonzalez had his weapon drawn. He heard
Tony Gonzalez repeatedly say, "Get down!" "Freeze!" "Don't move!" "Get
down!" Mr. DeSantis said these commands were made several times and were
very clear. Mr. DeSantis then heard Andrew Hanlon make what he described as
a "primordial war scream" and start toward the officer, trying to strike and
kick him with what appeared to be martial arts moves. Mr. DeSantis describes
Tony Gonzalez's retreat from Andrew Hanlon as similar to that of a football
player back-peddling and he called it "very professional." Mr. DeSantis
heard Officer Gonzalez continue to order Andrew Hanlon to "Get down!" and
"Stop!" even while retreating. Mr. DeSantis also saw that despite his
retreat, Tony Gonzalez was never able to get more than five feet from Andrew
Hanlon. Mr. DeSantis watched as Tony Gonzalez began to fire his service
weapon and he saw that Andrew Hanlon continued to pursue Tony Gonzalez even
as Tony Gonzalez fired. It was not until several shots had been fired that
Andrew Hanlon began to slow down. Mr. DeSantis saw that Tony Gonzalez
stopped firing as soon as Andrew Hanlon stopped coming after him. Mr.
DeSantis saw Andrew Hanlon fall to the ground. Mr. DeSantis also saw that
Tony Gonzalez never shot Andrew Hanlon when he was not chasing him and never
shot him when he was on the ground. Mr. DeSantis then heard Tony Gonzalez
immediately grab his radio and report, "Shots fired!" Mr. DeSantis attempted
to tend to Andrew Hanlon, however, he was too severely injured and he died
at the scene. Andrew Hanlon was not armed when he was shot.
The state has chosen to give this lengthy press release in an effort to
combat the accusations of a conspiracy or a cover-up that have arisen in the
last three and a half weeks.
It is vital in a case like this that the investigation and Grand Jury
process be allowed to run its course fairly and independently. Releasing
bits and pieces of the evidence prior to the conclusion of the case could
inaccurately sway public opinion and therefore harm the integrity of the
investigation and the Grand Jury proceeding.
The Grand Jury made its decision in applying the facts of this case to legal
principals regarding when deadly physical force can be used. The legal
principals that apply are as follows:
Tony Gonzalez had to reasonably believe that Andrew Hanlon was either:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or
threatened imminent use of physical force against himself or another person.
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Here's the dirt YOU need to know ...
a quick google search would have debunked this pretty quickly
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
As for the people who thinked he forged it ... you didn't read ...
Politifact .... (about a conspiracy thoery that Obama is not a US citizen and his birth cert is forged)
"If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.
Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel."
Factcheck.org ....
"FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."
By the way, do you know the Ron Paul Supporters actually questioned if JOHN MCCAIN was not a US Citizen???
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
while the logic appears sound, it is the same logical argument that is dismissed by people who believe 9-11 was an inside job. So as much as it appears to be legit, i have to believe that since Obama is smarter than Bush; the newest grand conspiracy is, in fact, obamas citizenship. It was orchestrated for years, perhaps even before he was born...and that is why Obama is so scary for so many. This makes the 9-11 inside job, look like childs play.
I agree with whoever said let's talk about real issues. this kind of crap just serves as an unnecessary distraction.
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What tale shall serve me here among
Mine young and defrauded young.
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(650) 347-4370The writ of habeas corpus is one of what are called the "extraordinary,"
"common law," or "prerogative writs," which were historically issued by the
courts in the name of the monarch to control inferior courts and public
authorities within the kingdom. The most common of the other such
prerogative writs are quo warranto, prohibito, mandamus, procedendo, and
certiorari. When the original 13 American Colonies declared independence and
became a constitutional republic in which the people are the sovereign, any
person, in the name of the people, acquired authority to initiate such
writs.
The due process for such petitions is not simply civil or criminal, because
they incorporate the presumption of nonauthority. The official who is the
respondent has the burden to prove his authority to do or not do something.
Failing this, the court must decide for the petitioner, who may be any
person, not just an interested party. This differs from a motion in a civil
process in which the movant must have standing, and bears the burden of
proof.
research do we already know? Harold Blauer, the tennis pro who was
killed. Frank Olson who was killed because he jumped through a window
because he took LSD mixed with Cointro by Sidney Gottlieb,
administrative Head of MKULTRA who I talked to on the telephone. When
was the Olson family compensated? He died in 1955 or something. They
were compensated by the President in 1977 I think it was. The reason the
wife and surviving children figured that in fact this was not a simple
suicide was they read the Rockefeller Report on CIA activities published
in 1975 in which the case was described without him being named. So,
they are reading the Rockefeller Report, and they realize their
husband/father was actually killed by experimental LSD and they are
compensated for 3/4 of a million dollars. One of the people who
testified at the Committee hearings at the S enate in 1975 was a
technician for Amadeo Morazzi who was the guy who w as the Head of
Edgeware Arsenal where Paul Hawk got his LSD and mescaline from who was
funded by the Air Force while he was at the University of Minnesota.
His research assistant whose name is Mary Ray(sp) was given a dose of
experimental LSD which resulted in an acute psychotic state for which
she was admitted to hospital for which I have her medical records, and I
am in contact with her lawyer and I am going to go up and get her story
in more detail. She talks about a room that was involved in the LSD
research called "The Leaf Room" so when you were on your LSD trip that
was administered by Amadeo Morazzi you were taken into the Leaf Room
which was a room where all surfaces of the room were totally covered
with leaves. This is weird stuff. She also was connected into a bunch
of other stuff. I am not going to go into all of it, because it is a
little weird, but it is two hops from Mary Ray to Iran Contra. So she is
a real person who exists. I know her lawyer. I talked to her lawyer on
the phone. I am going to fly up there. I am going to interview her. I
have her medical records. And the way this works is the stuff that is
happening now is not going to be declassified for 20 or 30 years.
Eventually we will have the names of people who were victims of
experiments in the 70's and 80's and 90's. We already have the names for
the 50's and 60's, not really into the 70's. We have the names of
specific people who were victims of the Tuscagee Syphilis Study and the
radiation experiments into the 70's. That's the way it goes. You are
just pushing back that curtain and there's always this lag time because
you are relying on the views of the Intelligence Community or public
apathy ... "it was back in the Cold War" "it's different now" "we joined
the boy scouts and we don't do that anymore". So there is always a
disinformation strategy for wh y it happened a long time ago and we
don't do it now and we are very regretful and we are so regretful that
we in fact agree to compensate these victims. In Oregon there was a
prison where men were paid to be subjects to participate in radiation
experiments. Their testicles had been irradiated so they would get paid
a certain fee to participate in the radiation of their testicles.
Special arrangements were made so Catholics couldn't participate in the
study because they couldn't use birth control so they might give birth
to genetically mutated children ... so it had to be only non-Catholic
participants. There was an extra fee, it was a little bit fatter, if you
would agree to testicle biopsy to see if the radiation was dropping the
sperm count. When 9 of these people pressed their case to the State
Legislature in Oregon in either the late 70's or early 80's, in its
magnanimity, the Legislature agreed to compensate them for a total of
$3000 for all nine subjects. So this is the way it goes in trying to
document this stuff and trying to make it public and identify the
specific individuals. IT'S A BIG SLOW JOB. And when you make Freedom of
Information requests it's like interacting with any Federal Bureaucracy.
thank you.
i was originally going to send you a pm so as not to bump this thread and cause another coronary for you....but then i said fuck it.
nice to see nobody can ask a simple question without being attacked. business as usual around here.
and robfest: no, it wasn't a joke. someone i work with told me what i originally posted. i hadn't heard a thing about it, so i figured a good place to get an answer was here, because the people are so warm and welcoming of any topic to discuss. i didn't realize i had to be up to the second on every single issue before i posted, much like you are, oh enlightened one.
honestly, a lot of the people on this board are fucking babies. nobody can say peep without someone else shitting their pants about it.
~D.K.S.