I liked Dr. Laura's book, The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, and I agree with most of what she says, but not everything. For example, she's anti-living-together-before-you-get-married and I've been doing just that for the last 9 years...
The media controls the world.
I cant imagine a better example.
There isn't anything you can name that "controls" the world, with the exception of what you may know about science. You know, gravity, light, oxygen, water, and all that crap.
I do try. I think it's the only way to really make a difference. If not, people will simply close their ears to all you have to say...and rightfully so.
Word.
At the end of the day its all about the love you gave and received with gratitude.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
She's cold at times, but she has to be. It's a radio show. There's no time to hear everyone's long, drawn out story. She has to keep it short. Also, many of the people on the program lack the ability, and confidence / self esteem to get the story out quickly anyway. That bumbling, stuttering crap is what allowed most of these morons to get into these bad situations to begin with.
Lazy.
Whining.
Woe is me attitude.
It gets old. I like her. She doesn't take shit and she tells these weak minded people what they need to hear. I can think of quite a few people on this board who could have used her as their mom. They blame all their past crap on the fact that they didn't have a loving family, a mom that cared, blah, blah, blah.
Grow up. Get over it. Move on with your life. Grow a set and do something with yourself. You can't ride your skateboard forever.
She makes people take ownership of their actions, which I'm sure drives a lot of people on this message board crazy. How dare we not blame our problems on a past alcoholic dad who was never there! Or an abusive uncle! Or whatever...
Give me a break.
singing the same old song - opposing what isn't there. You worked to sqeeze and extra term for Bush.. Yeah it sucked overall for the world.. didn't hurt you any though. You can pretend that didn't happen.. sing the same song and sqeeze in the next.
She's closed minded and shuts out any possibility of alternate perceptions.
Keep in mind it is a call in show. PEOPLE call HER asking for her perceptions. She gives them. Sometimes the woman with four kids by three men, none of whom she's ever been married to, shacking up with and banging a fourth guy who has no intentions to commit, needs to hear that her behavior is somewhat prostitute like. Might be hard to hear but... she called and asked.
Actually, despite her political conservatism, i kinda like her otherwise. (As someone pointed out before, it isn't a political show).
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Keep in mind it is a call in show. PEOPLE call HER asking for her perceptions. She gives them. Sometimes the woman with four kids by three men, none of whom she's ever been married to, shacking up with and banging a fourth guy who has no intentions to commit, needs to hear that her behavior is somewhat prostitute like. Might be hard to hear but... she called and asked.
Actually, despite her political conservatism, i kinda like her
I don't care what it is, I don't care for her style.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I agree with her on some things, and disagree on other things.
One major point of contention that I have with her is her opinion that women who live with men before getting married are "whoring themselves out".
This opinion of hers assumes certain kinds of logic that I don't think reflect reality. First it assumes that those women would rather be living alone if it weren't for the prospect that their boyfriends might eventually propose.
Secondly, it ignores the reality of married couples getting sick of each other after a few years of marriage because they weren't prepared for sharing their personal space with the other person every single day of the week. Wouldn't it be common sense that people should "test the waters" before making a life-long commitment that usually involves having children and sharing assets?
Also, she likes to drop the G word into the mix sometimes as well, and I personally think this contradicts the message of psychology, which in my opinion, is the foundation of secular humanism.
She'll say things like "god created marriage so that two people could share..." and so on and so forth. Basically, when she attempts to explain "why things are" on a very abstract level, she'll just chalk it up to "the way god wanted it." But, as crazy as it may sound, she is able to do it in a way that is not preachy or self-righteous, IMO.
By that I mean that she doesn't instruct people to find jesus or accept his salvatation...etc. She isn't some kind of evangelist. It's as though she is just trying to explain her most personal feelings on the matter, and that dropping the G word is the only way to do it.
It's still intellectual laziness, IMO. It's only a matter of time before someone comes along and encapsulates her point of view within a secular context, but I give her props for at least making an earnest effort to create a balance between the two viewpoints.
At the same time, I think she is also just catering to the largely conservative listerner base that tunes into talk radio. Let's face it: If liberals knew what AM radio was, Air America wouldn't have gone under before anyone even noticed it was there.
I will pay lip service to the fact that Air America was a stupid show that unintentionally highlighted the immature and quasi-delusional state of modern liberalism, but there is no denying that one has to embrace the right-wing agenda to some degree in order to maintain an AM talk show.
For example, she instantly became my personal hero one night when a listener called about feelings of guilt he was having about being in a long-term relationship with a woman that he thought was "unattractive". As he explained his feelings of confusion to her, he would occasionally point out his "devoutly religous" beliefs and his steadfast dedication to the bible and sunday church.
After thoroughly emasculating him for wasting this woman's time by not telling her his true feelings about her, she finished off by accusing him of using religion to protect himself from hearing what he deserved to hear. She is inarguably masterfully articulate, and she was able to make it very clear that a devotion to religion does not necessarily mean being a compassionate human being.
My favorite line of hers is from a call where the listener had a husband who spent more time "hanging with the guys" than with her or his children. The listener talked about how much fun her husband used to be to spend time with, but how he was terrible at being a family man. Dr. Laura goes, "You thought his behavior was 'cute' and 'macho' before you were married, but now you're realizing what crappy father guys like him are." I was like hell the fuck yeah. It just goes to show that women really do date/marry assholes because they have their heads screwed on backwards.
Then there was this night when a husband and wife called because they disagreed on how they should discipline their child. The wife had taken away the child's teddy bear, and the husband didn't see it as necessary. It turned out that the child was enrolled in swimming and ballet lessons at like age 4 or 5 or something, and she started crying during the middle of ballet lessons and then refused to participate from that point on.
The wife said something like, "...and my mom also thinks I was right to take the teddy bear away." Then Dr. Laura said, "If I were you, I would never let your mom anywhere near your child." Then she made an elaborate guestimation on what the wife's childhood was like, and how she was probably absusively pressured, and how her mom's support of the teddy bear removal was probably her way of maintaing control over her and her granddaughter. Again, I like rock on, dr. laura....death to all overbearing parents/grandparents.
I liked Dr. Laura's book, The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands, and I agree with most of what she says, but not everything. For example, she's anti-living-together-before-you-get-married and I've been doing just that for the last 9 years...
I wouldn't worry too much about it ... she did it herself for 8 years, after her boyfriend left his wife of 20 years, and got married only after she got "knocked up out of wedlock" as she would say. (I just looked her up on wikipedia ... funny stuff).
I've heard her show. I agree with her probably about half the time. A lot of people have shitty lives because they've made shitty choices time and time and time again, and she points that out to them. Her almost complete lack of compassion bothers me though, particularly given her own life history. And as sponger pointed out, she has a few blind spots ... she seems incapable of understanding the many reasons people live together, and she's convinced that anyone you meet on the internet is bad-bad-bad.
The show can be entertaining for brief periods, but she's too holier-than-thou to listen to for long.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I wouldn't worry too much about it ... she did it herself for 8 years, after her boyfriend left his wife of 20 years, and got married only after she got "knocked up out of wedlock" as she would say. (I just looked her up on wikipedia ... funny stuff).
I've heard her show. I agree with her probably about half the time. A lot of people have shitty lives because they've made shitty choices time and time and time again, and she points that out to them. Her almost complete lack of compassion bothers me though, particularly given her own life history. And as sponger pointed out, she has a few blind spots ... she seems incapable of understanding the many reasons people live together, and she's convinced that anyone you meet on the internet is bad-bad-bad.
The show can be entertaining for brief periods, but she's too holier-than-thou to listen to for long.
can't say i've ever heard her...heard OF her, sure. then again, like gue, i don't watch tv or listen to the radio, so yea.
so, not an informed opinion on her in any shape or form, but just the basic media: it all seems the same. whether this chick, geraldo, springer, any of those...whatthefuckever really. as someone mentioned, people CALL in or SHOW up to get these *opinions*....and really, it's sad. it is sad that whoever these people are, they do not have anyone else in their lives that they can turn to for true advice, whether a trusted friend, family member or a professional.....privately. that, or they are simply so desperate and craving for attention, they seek it out however they can get it, which is rather sad too. the fact some may make $$$ off it, well...it is what it is. if somehow people are genuinely helped in some form...then it can't be all bad.
so yea, whateva. would never be my chosen media for seeking help, nor do i have any interest/desire to 'listen in' on such either...it just is what it is.
I agree with her on some things, and disagree on other things.
One major point of contention that I have with her is her opinion that women who live with men before getting married are "whoring themselves out".
This opinion of hers assumes certain kinds of logic that I don't think reflect reality. First it assumes that those women would rather be living alone if it weren't for the prospect that their boyfriends might eventually propose.
Secondly, it ignores the reality of married couples getting sick of each other after a few years of marriage because they weren't prepared for sharing their personal space with the other person every single day of the week. Wouldn't it be common sense that people should "test the waters" before making a life-long commitment that usually involves having children and sharing assets?
Also, she likes to drop the G word into the mix sometimes as well, and I personally think this contradicts the message of psychology, which in my opinion, is the foundation of secular humanism.
She'll say things like "god created marriage so that two people could share..." and so on and so forth. Basically, when she attempts to explain "why things are" on a very abstract level, she'll just chalk it up to "the way god wanted it." But, as crazy as it may sound, she is able to do it in a way that is not preachy or self-righteous, IMO.
By that I mean that she doesn't instruct people to find jesus or accept his salvatation...etc. She isn't some kind of evangelist. It's as though she is just trying to explain her most personal feelings on the matter, and that dropping the G word is the only way to do it.
It's still intellectual laziness, IMO. It's only a matter of time before someone comes along and encapsulates her point of view within a secular context, but I give her props for at least making an earnest effort to create a balance between the two viewpoints.
At the same time, I think she is also just catering to the largely conservative listerner base that tunes into talk radio. Let's face it: If liberals knew what AM radio was, Air America wouldn't have gone under before anyone even noticed it was there.
I will pay lip service to the fact that Air America was a stupid show that unintentionally highlighted the immature and quasi-delusional state of modern liberalism, but there is no denying that one has to embrace the right-wing agenda to some degree in order to maintain an AM talk show.
For example, she instantly became my personal hero one night when a listener called about feelings of guilt he was having about being in a long-term relationship with a woman that he thought was "unattractive". As he explained his feelings of confusion to her, he would occasionally point out his "devoutly religous" beliefs and his steadfast dedication to the bible and sunday church.
After thoroughly emasculating him for wasting this woman's time by not telling her his true feelings about her, she finished off by accusing him of using religion to protect himself from hearing what he deserved to hear. She is inarguably masterfully articulate, and she was able to make it very clear that a devotion to religion does not necessarily mean being a compassionate human being.
My favorite line of hers is from a call where the listener had a husband who spent more time "hanging with the guys" than with her or his children. The listener talked about how much fun her husband used to be to spend time with, but how he was terrible at being a family man. Dr. Laura goes, "You thought his behavior was 'cute' and 'macho' before you were married, but now you're realizing what crappy father guys like him are." I was like hell the fuck yeah. It just goes to show that women really do date/marry assholes because they have their heads screwed on backwards.
Then there was this night when a husband and wife called because they disagreed on how they should discipline their child. The wife had taken away the child's teddy bear, and the husband didn't see it as necessary. It turned out that the child was enrolled in swimming and ballet lessons at like age 4 or 5 or something, and she started crying during the middle of ballet lessons and then refused to participate from that point on.
The wife said something like, "...and my mom also thinks I was right to take the teddy bear away." Then Dr. Laura said, "If I were you, I would never let your mom anywhere near your child." Then she made an elaborate guestimation on what the wife's childhood was like, and how she was probably absusively pressured, and how her mom's support of the teddy bear removal was probably her way of maintaing control over her and her granddaughter. Again, I like rock on, dr. laura....death to all overbearing parents/grandparents.
So, she's not bad for a religious person.
Its that softer, more insightful side that I relate to more.
My fave call ever was a woman who calls in and basically says her husband is emotionally and verbally abusive to her but other than that he was a "really good man" So Dr. Laura says- "Really? What things does he do to make him a good Man?" And the Woman says "Well, he goes to work every day, he doesnt hit me or go out on me." Dr. Laura says- Im sorry, you must have heard me wrong, the things you mentioned are just "givens". People dont get props for NOT doing those things. Now, again, what good things does he exactly do for you?"
The Woman was speechless and actually so was I, it was a lightbulb moment for me regarding Men as well.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
Its that softer, more insightful side that I relate to more.
My fave call ever was a woman who calls in and basically says her husband is emotionally and verbally abusive to her but other than that he was a "really good man" So Dr. Laura says- "Really? What things does he do to make him a good Man?" And the Woman says "Well, he goes to work every day, he doesnt hit me or go out on me." Dr. Laura says- Im sorry, you must have heard me wrong, the things you mentioned are just "givens". People dont get props for NOT doing those things. Now, again, what good things does he exactly do for you?"
The Woman was speechless and actually so was I, it was a lightbulb moment for me regarding Men as well.
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I think Dr. Laura and Dr. Phil simply dispense heavy doses of common sense.
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Although, Dr. laura gets on the God thing a bit too much.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I think Dr. Loser and Dr. Fraud simply dispense heavy doses of common sense.
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Although, Dr. laura gets on the God thing a bit too much.
i corrected your post....you had some spelling errors.....;):D........and you're right (as usual).......people no longer can think for themselves and they need a person on the radio (or tv) to tell them what to do.....it's absolutely infuriating.....:eek:
i corrected your post....you had some spelling errors.....;):D........and you're right (as usual).......people no longer can think for themselves and they need a person on the radio (or tv) to tell them what to do.....it's absolutely infuriating.....:eek:
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I believe that the shows are rigged. The phone screeners and Dr. Phil producers locate people who are desperately lacking the common sense part of their brain.
"I stay with him because I love him... well, not necessarily the way he pimp slaps me all up and down the hall... and brings prostitutes into our bed... and does heroin in front of the kids. But, if you get to know him... he's really nice".
They both will tell them the exact same thing that you or I or everyone else in the world would say.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Uh huh.
And theres a lot of people in the world who lack any reference point for common sense, Im surprised on an almost daily basis by this fact.
The God thing is because shes Jewish Ive decided.
Sometimes she seems like the Jewish Pharisees from the Bible to me, in her attitudes, delivery, etc.
I cut her a lot of slack because shes such a bottomliner, I like that approach to things..
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I don't like the whole God thing she tosses out so easily.
A single mother is NOT a whore. She is simply a person who has made decisions in her past that has lead her to where she is today. We are NOT here to judge her... or her choices.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I believe that the shows are rigged. The phone screeners and Dr. Phil producers locate people who are desperately lacking the common sense part of their brain.
"I stay with him because I love him... well, not necessarily the way he pimp slaps me all up and down the hall... and brings prostitutes into our bed... and does heroin in front of the kids. But, if you get to know him... he's really nice".
They both will tell them the exact same thing that you or I or everyone else in the world would say.
most definitely.....which helps to expand laura and phil already overfed egos....because the sheep think they know something....
most definitely.....which helps to expand laura and phil already overfed egos....because the sheep think they know something....
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I was watching the Dr. Phil Show one day and he had this couple on. The husband wanted to still do all the irresponsible and stupid shit he used to do in college... including going to Spring Break. These people were in their 40s and had young teenaged kids.
Dr. Phil's advice: "You need to grow up..."
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No... really?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I havnt watched him in years but the first time I ever saw Dr. Phil I was a little stunned by his honesty.
A woman in his audience was boo-hooing because her Husband had left her 10 YEARS PRIOR for another woman and she was saying she still couldnt move on.
Anyway, here Im thinking "Poor woman, she needs a hug" but he looks at her and says "Have you noticed no one cares?" (She was very taken back because martyrdom had gotten comfy for her)...so he basically tells her-"Move on lady, hes gone, didnt give a crap about you then or now, hes not coming back...dry your tears and get a life."
It was awesome and just what she needed to jolt her back to life.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
I havnt watched him in years but the first time I ever saw Dr. Phil I was a little stunned by his honesty.
A woman in his audience was boo-hooing because her Husband had left her 10 YEARS PRIOR for another woman and she was saying she still couldnt move on.
Anyway, here Im thinking "Poor woman, she needs a hug" but he looks at her and says "Have you noticed no one cares?" (She was very taken back because martyrdom had gotten comfy for her)...so he basically tells her-"Move on lady, hes gone, didnt give a crap about you then or now, hes not coming back...dry your tears and get a life."
It was awesome and just what she needed to jolt her back to life.
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She probably went to Dr. Phil because her family and friends got tired of her victim/self loathing and were either tired of her shit or too nice to tell it like it is.
I have done that with a friend of mine... who was pining away her life because of a boyfriend that had left her years ago. I was nice and comforting and a friend who told her repeatedly that she needed to move forward with her life and quit holding on to the non-existant fact that he was coming back. I finally got fed up and told her to quit playing the 'Poor Me' card and either accept the fact that he is gone and move on... or accept the life she has chosen and quit complaining her decision.
Of course... she didn't speak to me for months after that because I was a non-caring, blunt prick with no feelings. But, she's doing better now... and guess what... she has had other boyfriends (even though, she STILL compares them to her old boyfriend). At least, she's complaining about them, now... not herself.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
most definitely.....which helps to expand laura and phil already overfed egos....because the sheep think they know something....
Ego's?
Of course. Show me a powerful, successful person who doesnt have an ego.
Its not being a "sheep" to look at someone and say "You know what...they are an imperfect Human being, but they have something to teach me and I want to learn it."
It actually takes more strenghth of character to humble oneself, admit it just may be possible that you dont know everything, and seek out other peoples experience and knowlege for self-growth.
I find people with your mentality to usually be the stubborn ones who let pride get in the way of admitting its OK to ask for/ and seek help. You stagnate and block all kinds of goodness from coming your way.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
Ego's?
Of course. Show me a powerful, successful person who doesnt have an ego.
Its not being a "sheep" to look at someone and say "You know what...they are an imperfect Human being, but they have something to teach me and I want to learn it."
It actually takes more strenghth of character to humble oneself, admit it just may be possible that you dont know everything, and seek out other peoples experience and knowlege for self-growth.
I find people with your mentality to usually be the stubborn ones who let pride get in the way of admitting its OK to ask for/ and seek help. You stagnate and block all kinds of goodness from coming your way.
please show me where i said asking for help is wrong?
Ego's?
Of course. Show me a powerful, successful person who doesnt have an ego.
Its not being a "sheep" to look at someone and say "You know what...they are an imperfect Human being, but they have something to teach me and I want to learn it."
It actually takes more strenghth of character to humble oneself, admit it just may be possible that you dont know everything, and seek out other peoples experience and knowlege for self-growth.
I find people with your mentality to usually be the stubborn ones who let pride get in the way of admitting its OK to ask for/ and seek help. You stagnate and block all kinds of goodness from coming your way.
She sounds like a real winner. A real piece of work.
If she thinks people need a 'slap' who don't agree with her, I'd like to punch her in the face.
But, I've never listened to her, so I'm just going by the hearsay that is espoused here. Her fans make her sound like a gremlin.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
She sounds like a real winner. A real piece of work.
If she thinks people need a 'slap' who don't agree with her, I'd like to punch her in the face.
But, I've never listened to her, so I'm just going by the hearsay that is espoused here. Her fans make her sound like a gremlin.
Hey, it takes all kinds.
She makes me mad a lot, but I learn as much from her as I do from the meek, mild, longsuffering little woman at my work who I observe and always wish I was more like.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
You described people who ask these people for help as sheep...Im sorry if I read between the lines too much...but, text is all we have here.
What did you mean when you said "the sheep" then?
people that put their lives and trust into someone on the radio or tv....i've heard the callers on laura's show and some are very frightening in their blind devotion...and they don't even listen....you'll hear the same problem come up at least 5 times a week.....there are plenty of therapists that people can go to if they want to talk.....to pervert this process in a 3 minute clip doesn't help anyone except laura's and phil's pocketbook.....
She makes me mad a lot, but I learn as much from her as I do from the meek, mild, longsuffering little woman at my work who I observe and always wish I was more like.
Then why does she have a radio show. She sounds like your average "meek, mild, longsuffering little woman at [your] work"
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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Word.
At the end of the day its all about the love you gave and received with gratitude.
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
yep yep
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
singing the same old song - opposing what isn't there. You worked to sqeeze and extra term for Bush.. Yeah it sucked overall for the world.. didn't hurt you any though. You can pretend that didn't happen.. sing the same song and sqeeze in the next.
Keep in mind it is a call in show. PEOPLE call HER asking for her perceptions. She gives them. Sometimes the woman with four kids by three men, none of whom she's ever been married to, shacking up with and banging a fourth guy who has no intentions to commit, needs to hear that her behavior is somewhat prostitute like. Might be hard to hear but... she called and asked.
Actually, despite her political conservatism, i kinda like her otherwise. (As someone pointed out before, it isn't a political show).
I don't care what it is, I don't care for her style.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
One major point of contention that I have with her is her opinion that women who live with men before getting married are "whoring themselves out".
This opinion of hers assumes certain kinds of logic that I don't think reflect reality. First it assumes that those women would rather be living alone if it weren't for the prospect that their boyfriends might eventually propose.
Secondly, it ignores the reality of married couples getting sick of each other after a few years of marriage because they weren't prepared for sharing their personal space with the other person every single day of the week. Wouldn't it be common sense that people should "test the waters" before making a life-long commitment that usually involves having children and sharing assets?
Also, she likes to drop the G word into the mix sometimes as well, and I personally think this contradicts the message of psychology, which in my opinion, is the foundation of secular humanism.
She'll say things like "god created marriage so that two people could share..." and so on and so forth. Basically, when she attempts to explain "why things are" on a very abstract level, she'll just chalk it up to "the way god wanted it." But, as crazy as it may sound, she is able to do it in a way that is not preachy or self-righteous, IMO.
By that I mean that she doesn't instruct people to find jesus or accept his salvatation...etc. She isn't some kind of evangelist. It's as though she is just trying to explain her most personal feelings on the matter, and that dropping the G word is the only way to do it.
It's still intellectual laziness, IMO. It's only a matter of time before someone comes along and encapsulates her point of view within a secular context, but I give her props for at least making an earnest effort to create a balance between the two viewpoints.
At the same time, I think she is also just catering to the largely conservative listerner base that tunes into talk radio. Let's face it: If liberals knew what AM radio was, Air America wouldn't have gone under before anyone even noticed it was there.
I will pay lip service to the fact that Air America was a stupid show that unintentionally highlighted the immature and quasi-delusional state of modern liberalism, but there is no denying that one has to embrace the right-wing agenda to some degree in order to maintain an AM talk show.
For example, she instantly became my personal hero one night when a listener called about feelings of guilt he was having about being in a long-term relationship with a woman that he thought was "unattractive". As he explained his feelings of confusion to her, he would occasionally point out his "devoutly religous" beliefs and his steadfast dedication to the bible and sunday church.
After thoroughly emasculating him for wasting this woman's time by not telling her his true feelings about her, she finished off by accusing him of using religion to protect himself from hearing what he deserved to hear. She is inarguably masterfully articulate, and she was able to make it very clear that a devotion to religion does not necessarily mean being a compassionate human being.
My favorite line of hers is from a call where the listener had a husband who spent more time "hanging with the guys" than with her or his children. The listener talked about how much fun her husband used to be to spend time with, but how he was terrible at being a family man. Dr. Laura goes, "You thought his behavior was 'cute' and 'macho' before you were married, but now you're realizing what crappy father guys like him are." I was like hell the fuck yeah. It just goes to show that women really do date/marry assholes because they have their heads screwed on backwards.
Then there was this night when a husband and wife called because they disagreed on how they should discipline their child. The wife had taken away the child's teddy bear, and the husband didn't see it as necessary. It turned out that the child was enrolled in swimming and ballet lessons at like age 4 or 5 or something, and she started crying during the middle of ballet lessons and then refused to participate from that point on.
The wife said something like, "...and my mom also thinks I was right to take the teddy bear away." Then Dr. Laura said, "If I were you, I would never let your mom anywhere near your child." Then she made an elaborate guestimation on what the wife's childhood was like, and how she was probably absusively pressured, and how her mom's support of the teddy bear removal was probably her way of maintaing control over her and her granddaughter. Again, I like rock on, dr. laura....death to all overbearing parents/grandparents.
So, she's not bad for a religious person.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
I've heard her show. I agree with her probably about half the time. A lot of people have shitty lives because they've made shitty choices time and time and time again, and she points that out to them. Her almost complete lack of compassion bothers me though, particularly given her own life history. And as sponger pointed out, she has a few blind spots ... she seems incapable of understanding the many reasons people live together, and she's convinced that anyone you meet on the internet is bad-bad-bad.
The show can be entertaining for brief periods, but she's too holier-than-thou to listen to for long.
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can't say i've ever heard her...heard OF her, sure. then again, like gue, i don't watch tv or listen to the radio, so yea.
so, not an informed opinion on her in any shape or form, but just the basic media: it all seems the same. whether this chick, geraldo, springer, any of those...whatthefuckever really. as someone mentioned, people CALL in or SHOW up to get these *opinions*....and really, it's sad. it is sad that whoever these people are, they do not have anyone else in their lives that they can turn to for true advice, whether a trusted friend, family member or a professional.....privately. that, or they are simply so desperate and craving for attention, they seek it out however they can get it, which is rather sad too. the fact some may make $$$ off it, well...it is what it is. if somehow people are genuinely helped in some form...then it can't be all bad.
so yea, whateva. would never be my chosen media for seeking help, nor do i have any interest/desire to 'listen in' on such either...it just is what it is.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Its that softer, more insightful side that I relate to more.
My fave call ever was a woman who calls in and basically says her husband is emotionally and verbally abusive to her but other than that he was a "really good man" So Dr. Laura says- "Really? What things does he do to make him a good Man?" And the Woman says "Well, he goes to work every day, he doesnt hit me or go out on me." Dr. Laura says- Im sorry, you must have heard me wrong, the things you mentioned are just "givens". People dont get props for NOT doing those things. Now, again, what good things does he exactly do for you?"
The Woman was speechless and actually so was I, it was a lightbulb moment for me regarding Men as well.
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
I think Dr. Laura and Dr. Phil simply dispense heavy doses of common sense.
...
Although, Dr. laura gets on the God thing a bit too much.
Hail, Hail!!!
i corrected your post....you had some spelling errors.....;):D........and you're right (as usual).......people no longer can think for themselves and they need a person on the radio (or tv) to tell them what to do.....it's absolutely infuriating.....:eek:
Uh huh.
And theres a lot of people in the world who lack any reference point for common sense, Im surprised on an almost daily basis by this fact.
The God thing is because shes Jewish Ive decided.
Sometimes she seems like the Jewish Pharisees from the Bible to me, in her attitudes, delivery, etc.
I cut her a lot of slack because shes such a bottomliner, I like that approach to things..
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
I believe that the shows are rigged. The phone screeners and Dr. Phil producers locate people who are desperately lacking the common sense part of their brain.
"I stay with him because I love him... well, not necessarily the way he pimp slaps me all up and down the hall... and brings prostitutes into our bed... and does heroin in front of the kids. But, if you get to know him... he's really nice".
They both will tell them the exact same thing that you or I or everyone else in the world would say.
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't like the whole God thing she tosses out so easily.
A single mother is NOT a whore. She is simply a person who has made decisions in her past that has lead her to where she is today. We are NOT here to judge her... or her choices.
Hail, Hail!!!
most definitely.....which helps to expand laura and phil already overfed egos....because the sheep think they know something....
I was watching the Dr. Phil Show one day and he had this couple on. The husband wanted to still do all the irresponsible and stupid shit he used to do in college... including going to Spring Break. These people were in their 40s and had young teenaged kids.
Dr. Phil's advice: "You need to grow up..."
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No... really?
Hail, Hail!!!
A woman in his audience was boo-hooing because her Husband had left her 10 YEARS PRIOR for another woman and she was saying she still couldnt move on.
Anyway, here Im thinking "Poor woman, she needs a hug" but he looks at her and says "Have you noticed no one cares?" (She was very taken back because martyrdom had gotten comfy for her)...so he basically tells her-"Move on lady, hes gone, didnt give a crap about you then or now, hes not coming back...dry your tears and get a life."
It was awesome and just what she needed to jolt her back to life.
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
She probably went to Dr. Phil because her family and friends got tired of her victim/self loathing and were either tired of her shit or too nice to tell it like it is.
I have done that with a friend of mine... who was pining away her life because of a boyfriend that had left her years ago. I was nice and comforting and a friend who told her repeatedly that she needed to move forward with her life and quit holding on to the non-existant fact that he was coming back. I finally got fed up and told her to quit playing the 'Poor Me' card and either accept the fact that he is gone and move on... or accept the life she has chosen and quit complaining her decision.
Of course... she didn't speak to me for months after that because I was a non-caring, blunt prick with no feelings. But, she's doing better now... and guess what... she has had other boyfriends (even though, she STILL compares them to her old boyfriend). At least, she's complaining about them, now... not herself.
Hail, Hail!!!
Ego's?
Of course. Show me a powerful, successful person who doesnt have an ego.
Its not being a "sheep" to look at someone and say "You know what...they are an imperfect Human being, but they have something to teach me and I want to learn it."
It actually takes more strenghth of character to humble oneself, admit it just may be possible that you dont know everything, and seek out other peoples experience and knowlege for self-growth.
I find people with your mentality to usually be the stubborn ones who let pride get in the way of admitting its OK to ask for/ and seek help. You stagnate and block all kinds of goodness from coming your way.
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
please show me where i said asking for help is wrong?
He said "overfed egos".
You could brush up on your reading skills.
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If she thinks people need a 'slap' who don't agree with her, I'd like to punch her in the face.
But, I've never listened to her, so I'm just going by the hearsay that is espoused here. Her fans make her sound like a gremlin.
she'd drive ya nuts, ryan......
You described people who ask these people for help as sheep...Im sorry if I read between the lines too much...but, text is all we have here.
What did you mean when you said "the sheep" then?
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
Hey, it takes all kinds.
She makes me mad a lot, but I learn as much from her as I do from the meek, mild, longsuffering little woman at my work who I observe and always wish I was more like.
So subtly is the fume of life designed
to clarify the pulse and cloud the mind
and leave us once again, undone.. possessed.
...
Be yourself- those who mind dont matter
and those who matter dont mind.
people that put their lives and trust into someone on the radio or tv....i've heard the callers on laura's show and some are very frightening in their blind devotion...and they don't even listen....you'll hear the same problem come up at least 5 times a week.....there are plenty of therapists that people can go to if they want to talk.....to pervert this process in a 3 minute clip doesn't help anyone except laura's and phil's pocketbook.....
Then why does she have a radio show. She sounds like your average "meek, mild, longsuffering little woman at [your] work"