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sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
This rounds out my opinion of him nicely.



Rumsfeld Flees France, Fearing Arrest
By , IPS News
Posted on October 29, 2007, Printed on October 30, 2007
http://www.alternet.org/story/66425/

Former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld fled France today fearing arrest over charges of "ordering and authorizing" torture of detainees at both the American-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and the U.S. military's detainment facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, unconfirmed reports coming from Paris suggest.

U.S. embassy officials whisked Rumsfeld away yesterday from a breakfast meeting in Paris organized by the Foreign Policy magazine after human rights groups filed a criminal complaint against the man who spearheaded President George W. Bush's "war on terror" for six years.

Under international law, authorities in France are obliged to open an investigation when a complaint is made while the alleged torturer is on French soil.

According to activists in France, who greeted Rumsfeld, shouting "murderer" and "war criminal" at the breakfast meeting venue, U.S. embassy officials remained tight-lipped about the former defense secretary's whereabouts citing "security reasons".

Anti-torture protesters in France believe that the defense secretary fled over the open border to Germany, where a war crimes case against Rumsfeld was dismissed by a federal court. But activists point out that under the Schengen agreement that ended border checkpoints across a large part of the European Union, French law enforcement agents are allowed to cross the border into Germany in pursuit of a fleeing fugitive.

"Rumsfeld must be feeling how Saddam Hussein felt when U.S. forces were hunting him down," activist Tanguy Richard said. "He may never end up being hanged like his old friend, but he must learn that in the civilized world, war crime doesn't pay."

International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) along with the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR), and the French League for Human Rights (LDH) filed the complaint on Thursday after learning that Rumsfeld was scheduled to visit Paris.


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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    i would have LOVED to see that jackass get detained on this... at least some people are trying to stand up against these assholes
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    that would have been fun to see. until we had to nuke france.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    soulsinging wrote:
    that would have been fun to see. until we had to nuke france.

    If he could he would order it, then Germany then Italy.

    Peace
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    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    soulsinging wrote:
    that would have been fun to see. until we had to nuke france.

    awww, you wouldn't have to nuke france. if we told them we were going to shoot bottle rockets at them, they would surrender!
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    I posted this in another thread.....
    The complaint was filed with the Paris prosecutor¹s office as Rumsfeld
    arrived in France for a visit. This is the fifth time Rumsfeld has been
    charged with direct involvement in torture since 9/11. We speak with two
    attorneys with the plaintiffs -- Center for Constitutional Rights president
    Michael Ratner and Jeanne Sulzer of the International Federation of Human
    Rights.
    MICHAEL RATNER: The big difference with this case and the other cases is Rumsfeld is actually in France. And when an alleged torturer goes into a country, but particularly France, the obligation on the prosecutor to begin an investigation is much stronger than in other cases of so-called universal jurisdiction. We brought two cases in Germany; one of those is still on appeal. There’s a case in Argentina, and there’s a case in Sweden.

    I think the point of all of this is to really give Rumsfeld no place to hide. And the French case, really, because he is there, is extraordinary. I mean, that he was, in my -- in a sense, Juan, dumb enough to go to France, knowing that they have this kind of jurisdiction, is shocking.

    And, you know, I think one of the things that people can do right now is to put pressure on the French prosecutor to make sure he opens an investigation. We’re going to have that fax number, etc., on our website, which the Center has a new website now: ccrjustice.org, ccrjustice.org, which in a couple of hours you can go to to fax materials. So this is a very, very exciting effort, and I think we’re going to really pin Rumsfeld in in this.



    * On Visit to France, Donald Rumsfeld Hit with Lawsuit for Ordering,
    Authorizing Torture *


    Donald Rumsfeld again showing his brilliance by going to a country where he could be prosecuted for his alleged ordering of torture. This from a man who lives on Mount Misery, Maryland a place known around these parts for it's history for torturing slaves who rebelled against their masters. A place where slaves were broken such as Frederick Douglas who escaped from this hideous place.

    Here's the story Democracy Now where you can Listen/Watch/Read
    Rumsfeld in France.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    g under p wrote:
    Donald Rumsfeld again showing his brilliance by going to a country where he could be prosecuted for his alleged ordering of torture.
    Peace

    in his case, "brilliance"=misguided arrogance = throw the fucker in prison
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

    "Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore

    "i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
    ~ed, 8/7
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    I seriously doubt France would risk an international incident over this.
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    MrSmith wrote:
    I seriously doubt France would risk an international incident over this.
    Actually in France, like in all democracies, justice is supposed to be independant from the state. The opinion of the french foreign affairs cannot act on a judicial decision. But unfortunately stuff like this never goes to the end.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    MrSmith wrote:
    I seriously doubt France would risk an international incident over this.

    and they'd prob give up before the trial even started ;)
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i want to see footage of him being chased down an autobahn in a white ford bronco. :D
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • stupidcorporatewhorestupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    soulsinging wrote:
    that would have been fun to see. until we had to nuke france.
    810wmb wrote:
    awww, you wouldn't have to nuke france. if we told them we were going to shoot bottle rockets at them, they would surrender!
    chopitdown wrote:
    and they'd prob give up before the trial even started ;)

    conservative ignorance of history is one of the reasons we are where we are right now.

    do you boneheads know why the French have the reputation for surrender?

    It's because during world war 2 fighting in the european theater was so intense that a vast percentage of adult males had been killed in action.

    you are all good americans.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    conservative ignorance of history is one of the reasons we are where we are right now.

    do you boneheads know why the French have the reputation for surrender?

    It's because during world war 2 fighting in the european theater was so intense that a vast percentage of adult males had been killed in action.

    you are all good americans.

    so just to be sure, the French DO have the reputation for surrender?

    There was also a lot of division in the country about the surrender and division in support of the country. So it's no surprise that they surrendered either.
    make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
  • Rats of MultaRats of Multa Posts: 250
    chopitdown wrote:
    so just to be sure, the French DO have the reputation for surrender?

    There was also a lot of division in the country about the surrender and division in support of the country. So it's no surprise that they surrendered either.


    yeah, thats the current reputation of France. and that of America, murder.

    f*in stupidity is f*in stupid.
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    i'd rather be a live murderer than a dead chickenshit
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • stupidcorporatewhorestupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    chopitdown wrote:
    so just to be sure, the French DO have the reputation for surrender?

    to the ignorant who follow a leader who needed some (any) reason to dismiss a nationality that was against the war, yes.

    again, THERE WAS A SHORTAGE OF ADULT MALE SOLDIERS!!!

    chopitdown wrote:
    There was also a lot of division in the country about the surrender and division in support of the country. So it's no surprise that they surrendered either.

    what? historical context please. (hopefully followed shortly after by a point)
  • Rats of MultaRats of Multa Posts: 250
    810wmb wrote:
    i'd rather be a live murderer than a dead chickenshit


    haha. and preferably a working farmer than either of the latter! but then someone inevitably treads on my harvest, so,....
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    It's because during world war 2 fighting in the european theater was so intense that a vast percentage of adult males had been killed in action.
    I think you meant world war 1, but that's mostly true.
    Then again a fair percentage of the population didn't want another war just 20 years after the first one.
    So seen like this a part of France was in fact willing to surrender. But saying, because of this, that french like to surrender is kind of like saying germans like to burn jews and americans like to own slaves.
    And I was wondering, when Bush is out of the office, will he risk too accusations for involvement with torture?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Kann wrote:
    And I was wondering, when Bush is out of the office, will he risk too accusations for involvement with torture?

    HOPEFULLY
  • searchlightsoulsearchlightsoul Posts: 583
    810wmb wrote:
    i'd rather be a live murderer than a dead chickenshit

    American's are chickenshit. Look at your foreign policy and defense spending.
  • Rats of MultaRats of Multa Posts: 250
    my2hands wrote:
    HOPEFULLY

    hopefully he'll be charged with twice the countages of our ole pal Rummy.
    we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
    to dust i guess,
    forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    whoa, wait a minute. how can another country police and possibly try the leaders of a foreign country? i thought that was the job of the US gov't.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • SnakeSnake Posts: 2,605
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    whoa, wait a minute. how can another country police and possibly try the leaders of a foreign country? i thought that was the job of the US gov't.
    The US GOv hasnt dont its job for quite some time it seems.
    Pirates had democracy too.

    "Its a secret to everybody."
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Friggen Frenchies shoulda got him while they had the chance.

    Maybe next time.

    There are still Nazi War criminals on the loose in South America.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    810wmb wrote:
    awww, you wouldn't have to nuke france. if we told them we were going to shoot bottle rockets at them, they would surrender!
    chopitdown wrote:
    so just to be sure, the French DO have the reputation for surrender?

    There was also a lot of division in the country about the surrender and division in support of the country. So it's no surprise that they surrendered either.

    ..
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    ponder this...

    the french they are
    a funny race

    they fight with
    their feet

    and fuck with
    their face
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    810wmb wrote:
    ponder this...

    the french they are
    a funny race

    they fight with
    their feet

    and fuck with
    their face

    Which is more than you can manage.
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    gue_barium wrote:
    Which is more than you can manage.


    come on over gueball, i'll show you how's it's done
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • allforcarrieallforcarrie Posts: 60
    i hope the go after Bush.
    model, role model, roll some models in blood
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    810wmb wrote:
    awww, you wouldn't have to nuke france. if we told them we were going to shoot bottle rockets at them, they would surrender!

    the french are showing bigger balls than us americans right now... thank god
  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    my2hands wrote:
    the french are showing bigger balls than us americans right now... thank god

    yep, at least they are calling iran on their shit
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
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