The Anti-Christ and his followers will be electing the next president

Cosmo

cornnifer wrote:

Actually, a more accurate analogy would be me saying "secular" rock music sucks and then citing Nickleback as my proof. Ridiculous, yeah? Or going to the local pub for a few sam adams and some music, hearing some shit garage bands and saying "gee willakers, "secular rock music really sucks balls." Absurd.

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Secular Rock Music??? That's funny. You're funny. So, to Christians... that term 'Secular Rock' groups music into 'everything else'... from Pearl Jam to Techno to RAP to Country to Death Metal to Paris Hilton... it's all 'Secular Rock' to you? Sorry if I offended you with my distaste for 'Christian Rock'. Are you saying that if shit garage band were a Christian Rock shit garage band, you would say, "Gee willakers... that Christians Rock music is some mighty fine music"?
Since you are in the know... tell me of some 'Christian Rock' bands that don't suck. Enlighten me... but, please... don't say, 'Petra'.
(Also.. Amy Grant does NOT qualify as 'Rock' to us Secular types)

slightofjeff

Cosmo wrote:

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Secular Rock Music??? That's funny. You're funny. So, to Christians... that term 'Secular Rock' groups music into 'everything else'... from Pearl Jam to Techno to RAP to Country to Death Metal to Paris Hilton... it's all 'Secular Rock' to you? Sorry if I offended you with my distaste for 'Christian Rock'. Are you saying that if shit garage band were a Christian Rock shit garage band, you would say, "Gee willakers... that Christians Rock music is some mighty fine music"?
Since you are in the know... tell me of some 'Christian Rock' bands that don't suck. Enlighten me... but, please... don't say, 'Petra'.
(Also.. Amy Grant does NOT qualify as 'Rock' to us Secular types)

Now you're dissing Petra?!? oh no he didn't ...

Cosmo

slightofjeff wrote:

Now you're dissing Petra?!? oh no he didn't ...

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What can I say... I have bad taste in music. I mean... come on... I listen to Pearl Jam.

slightofjeff

Cosmo wrote:

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What can I say... I have bad taste in music. I mean... come on... I listen to Pearl Jam.

Now there's a nice Christian rock band.

chopitdown

Cosmo wrote:

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What can I say... I have bad taste in music. I mean... come on... I listen to Pearl Jam.

just b/c you got lucky with one band doesn't give you any cred

Cosmo

slightofjeff wrote:

Now there's a nice Christian rock band.

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Hallelujah, motherfuckers.

Cosmo

chopitdown wrote:

just b/c you got lucky with one band doesn't give you any cred

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and listening to... 'Jars Of Clay' will?
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Remember... I have a Born Again brother that listens to this stuff. He thinks I need to be saved.
What I need to be saved from the crap I have to listen to in his truck.

chopitdown

Cosmo wrote:

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and listening to... 'Jars Of Clay' will?
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Remember... I have a Born Again brother that listens to this stuff. He thinks I need to be saved.
What I need to be saved from the crap I have to listen to in his truck.

there are a lot of "bad" christian rock bands for sure, just as any genre..but there are some good ones. just don't discount all of them. and no, jars of clay won't give you cred either.

Cosmo

chopitdown wrote:

there are a lot of "bad" christian rock bands for sure, just as any genre..but there are some good ones. just don't discount all of them. and no, jars of clay won't give you cred either.

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I bet there are.... just like there are probably some good techno house music and some good corporate country music, some good Britney-esque music out there. I just haven't heard any of it, yet.
And I'm not 'bashing' Christians... I'm making fun of 'Christian Rock'. I love Christian Gospel music... it makes me feel really good. And I like most of the Hymnns... but, not the scary ones that reminds me of black hooded Satan worshipers walking through a cemetary at mid-night.
And personally... I think sending a Southern Baptist Gospel Choir to those Harvest-fests (instead of a Sum-41 look alike band singing about lifting up their soul for Jesus) would better suit the recruitment criteria. Don't cheapen Christ's message with some lame sales gimmick... that's all.

cornnifer

Cosmo wrote:

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Secular Rock Music??? That's funny. You're funny. So, to Christians... that term 'Secular Rock' groups music into 'everything else'... from Pearl Jam to Techno to RAP to Country to Death Metal to Paris Hilton... it's all 'Secular Rock' to you? Sorry if I offended you with my distaste for 'Christian Rock'. Are you saying that if shit garage band were a Christian Rock shit garage band, you would say, "Gee willakers... that Christians Rock music is some mighty fine music"?
Since you are in the know... tell me of some 'Christian Rock' bands that don't suck. Enlighten me... but, please... don't say, 'Petra'.
(Also.. Amy Grant does NOT qualify as 'Rock' to us Secular types)

No, i wouldn't say that at all. i would say they suck. My only point was, not trying to fight with ya because that would be a pretty stupid fight, that "Christian rock" is just as diverse as rock music in general. Some of it, indeed is shite. But to make the statement that "Christian rock" music is all horrible because you heard petra, stryper, or creed, and admitedly cannot name anything else, is ridiculous. If you are not a Christian, obviously you will not be interested in some of the thematic elements. Thats cool. But i would submit to you that i'm quite sure you have enjoyed some "christian rock" music without even knowing it.

chopitdown

Cosmo wrote:

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Don't cheapen Christ's message with some lame sales gimmick... that's all.

i couldn't agree more

slightofjeff

Don't cheapen Christ's message with some lame sales gimmick... that's all.

For the most part, those bands are just singing about what's important to them. I don't have a problem with that, even though they suck.

Cosmo

slightofjeff wrote:

For the most part, those bands are just singing about what's important to them. I don't have a problem with that, even though they suck.

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Okay.. SEE?
THAT'S funny... right? You guys see?

Jimmydean55

Faith +1 ?? haha

sweetpotato

so, you're all really interested in debating christian rock music vs. "secular" rock music, but no one gives a shit that these same assholes put dubya in the white hiuse- TWICE- and are going to be out voting in full force again this time?

just checking to see we're staying on topic! good job.

Pacomc79

Cosmo wrote:

Am i the only one who thinks that 'Christian Rock' has to be the worst music of all time? Even worse than former Soviet Union Hair Metal bands of the 80s or Boy Bands of the 90s.
Why don't they just stick to the Hymnns? Those actually sound pretty cool... kinda Satanic at times, but a nice sound. And Southern Christian Gospel... come on... that stuff is GREAT!!! Stick with the classics and please... quit making music that makes Jesus cry.

Dude, as a guy who used to sell a lot of musical instruments shhhh.

Christian Rock/Soul keeps a lot of salesmen employed. They have money out the yang to spend. All these Mega Churches spend millions buying the best musical equipment and AV equipment available to broadcast 3 chord mantra bouncing ball songs to thousands of waving people. I can say that there are a lot of very talented people wasting careers making this music but the music retailers of America are quite glad it's around.

I've always been a hymn guy I guess in this instance the lets round up everybody style faiths figured...can't beat em...join em.

Generally the people that drop Thousands at a time and don't plan on bringing it back in 3 days after thier gig...are Church Band musicians


If people don't go to the polls to defeat the uber religous canidates they have no one to blame but themselves.

I liked Huckabee a year ago because he was for the fair tax, unfortunately it seems he's FAR to religously (politically) motivated for me.

I could care less what religion the guys are as long as they don't want a theocracy. God and Jesus I like personally. Religious governments....nothing but trouble.

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Sweet Potato, you asked about my canidate of choice.... at the moment even though I probably disagree mightily economically with the guy I kind of like Barack Obama. So I'm trying to do more research. I like his diverse background of experiences I think that helps him work with people and of the democrats he's the most resonable I think. To me he seems like a reasonable thinking person. I also think if I'm going to be forced into a two party system it's good to have change every few years to keep the country relatively centered.

Collin

Jimmydean55 wrote:

Faith +1 ?? haha

cornnifer

sweetpotato wrote:

so, you're all really interested in debating christian rock music vs. "secular" rock music, but no one gives a shit that these same assholes put dubya in the white hiuse- TWICE- and are going to be out voting in full force again this time?

just checking to see we're staying on topic! good job.

i'll take some responsibility for things getting off track. What was intended by me as good natured ribbing snowballed into a ridiculous debate and one of the dumbest back and forths i've ever had in this forum. That being said, as far as the original topic, i've said it once already and i guess i'll reiterate. You can say whatever you want about the "religious right" or "religious assholes" as you so eloquently put it, stealing elections, blah, blah, blah. But it is the democrats who seem poised to nominate hillary clinton as their candidate for president, and if they do THEY WILL LOSE AGAIN and have no one to blame but themselves. Absolutely no one to blame. If democrats are stupid enough, blind enough, deaf enough, anesthesized enough, illiterate enough to recent history to nominate hillary clinton, they have no one to blame but themselves when they lose. Then there will be a huge bit of traffic in this forum of people spouting off about "religious assholes" blah, blah, blah. i'm not tryin' to hear that stupid shit. My fellow left leaning Americans, you'll have noone to blame but your damned selves.

Cosmo

cornnifer wrote:

i'll take some responsibility for things getting off track. What was intended by me as good natured ribbing snowballed into a ridiculous debate and one of the dumbest back and forths i've ever had in this forum. That being said, as far as the original topic, i've said it once already and i guess i'll reiterate. You can say whatever you want about the "religious right" or "religious assholes" as you so eloquently put it, stealing elections, blah, blah, blah. But it is the democrats who seem poised to nominate hillary clinton as their candidate for president, and if they do THEY WILL LOSE AGAIN and have no one to blame but themselves. Absolutely no one to blame. If democrats are stupid enough, blind enough, deaf enough, anesthesized enough, illiterate enough to recent history to nominate hillary clinton, they have no one to blame but themselves when they lose. Then there will be a huge bit of traffic in this forum of people spouting off about "religious assholes" blah, blah, blah. i'm not tryin' to hear that stupid shit. My fellow left leaning Americans, you'll have noone to blame but your damned selves.

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Why will the Democrats lose if Hillary is the candidate?
Would it be because the religious right hates her? Why? Why do they hate her?
I believe the Religious Right will vote Republican, no matter what... even if Satan is the Republican Candidate and says in his campaign that he will get rid of gay marriage and abortion... and Jesus, Himself, is running as the Democratic candidate.

cornnifer

Cosmo wrote:

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Why will the Democrats lose if Hillary is the candidate?
Would it be because the religious right hates her? Why? Why do they hate her?
I believe the Religious Right will vote Republican, no matter what... even if Satan is the Republican Candidate and says in his campaign that he will get rid of gay marriage and abortion... and Jesus, Himself, is running as the Democratic candidate.

The religious right hates her?

Yeah, they do. So does the NON-religious right. So do the vast majority of independants and a fairly sizable number of democrats. i hate her and i'm not part of the religious right. Its because she's a lying, slandering, swiftboating, do anything to get elected, bitch of a political opprotunist. Look, i'm not a fan of the religious right, either, but i'm also not stupid or naive enough to blame them for stealing elections. If democrats nominate hillary, they are handing the election over. Its their own fault. No one has to STEAL anything.