"The Obama Craze: Count Me Out"

dontloseyourheat
dontloseyourheat Posts: 483
edited April 2008 in A Moving Train
I just stumbled across this article, it's a few months old but I found it to be very straightforward and enlightening.

You should definitely take the time to read the whole thing.
http://quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413


"Once I started looking at the votes Obama actually cast, I began to hear his rhetoric differently. The principal conclusion I draw about “change” and Barack Obama is that Obama needs to change his voting habits and stop pandering to win votes. If he does this he might someday make a decent candidate who could earn my support. For now Obama has fallen into a dangerous pattern of capitulation that he cannot reconcile with his growing popularity as an agent of change.

I remain impressed by the enthusiasm generated by Obama’s style and skill as an orator. But I remain more loyal to my values, and I’m glad to say that I want no part in the Obama craze sweeping our country. "

It was written by Matt Gonzalez, who was President of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors and is Ralph Nader's running mate.
"Don't lose your inner heat...ever" - EV 5/13/06
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Yes, this one has been posted before but it was so good and telling that it deserves a fresh new thread, imo. :)

    Matt Gonzalez is an incredibly bright man and researches his stuff thoroughly and knows what he's talking about. Nader made an excellent choice this time...this guy is a fighter and a wonderful communicator who simply asks people to think about their choice and look further into their record so they know all about their candidate of choice and that they are okay with all the things he/she has did/supported.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    To me this carries as much weight as an op-ed by whoever John McCain selects as VP.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    ledvedderman wrote:
    To me this carries as much weight as an op-ed by whoever John McCain selects as VP.


    Except for the fact that all of the info in it is factual and based on Obama's record.

    yeah, can't weasel around that, sorry.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    hope-nosis?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • Im still here
    Im still here Posts: 826
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    hope-nosis?


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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    dontloseyourheat wrote:
    I just stumbled across this article, it's a few months old but I found it to be very straightforward and enlightening.

    You should definitely take the time to read the whole thing.
    http://quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413


    "Once I started looking at the votes Obama actually cast, I began to hear his rhetoric differently. The principal conclusion I draw about “change” and Barack Obama is that Obama needs to change his voting habits and stop pandering to win votes. If he does this he might someday make a decent candidate who could earn my support. For now Obama has fallen into a dangerous pattern of capitulation that he cannot reconcile with his growing popularity as an agent of change.

    I remain impressed by the enthusiasm generated by Obama’s style and skill as an orator. But I remain more loyal to my values, and I’m glad to say that I want no part in the Obama craze sweeping our country. "

    It was written by Matt Gonzalez, who was President of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors and is Ralph Nader's running mate.





    well said!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    dontloseyourheat wrote:
    I just stumbled across this article, it's a few months old but I found it to be very straightforward and enlightening.

    You should definitely take the time to read the whole thing.
    http://quartz.he.net/~beyondch/news/index.php?itemid=5413


    "Once I started looking at the votes Obama actually cast, I began to hear his rhetoric differently. The principal conclusion I draw about “change” and Barack Obama is that Obama needs to change his voting habits and stop pandering to win votes. If he does this he might someday make a decent candidate who could earn my support. For now Obama has fallen into a dangerous pattern of capitulation that he cannot reconcile with his growing popularity as an agent of change.

    I remain impressed by the enthusiasm generated by Obama’s style and skill as an orator. But I remain more loyal to my values, and I’m glad to say that I want no part in the Obama craze sweeping our country. "

    It was written by Matt Gonzalez, who was President of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors and is Ralph Nader's running mate.

    well, looking at Matt's record here;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gonzalez

    it looks like the most he's done is prohibit the San Francisco Zoo from keeping elephants...

    yeah, I guess I want him to be one step away from the oval office...
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    http://www.cafepress.com/cp/moredetails.aspx?showBleed=false&ProductNo=234623915
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • dontloseyourheat
    dontloseyourheat Posts: 483
    inmytree wrote:
    well, looking at Matt's record here;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gonzalez

    it looks like the most he's done is prohibit the San Francisco Zoo from keeping elephants...

    yeah, I guess I want him to be one step away from the oval office...


    The article wasn't about supporting Gonzalez (although I'm sure the President of the Board of Supervisors in a major city has plenty of responsibility). The article in fact, had absolutely nothing to do with Gonzalez, so I doubt you even read it.

    The article, in a straight forward manner, highlighted a number of instances in which Barack Obama's actions have contradicted his words.
    "Don't lose your inner heat...ever" - EV 5/13/06
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    dontloseyourheat wrote:
    The article wasn't about supporting Gonzalez (although I'm sure the President of the Board of Supervisors in a major city has plenty of responsibility). The article in fact, had absolutely nothing to do with Gonzalez, so I doubt you even read it.

    The article, in a straight forward manner, highlighted a number of instances in which Barack Obama's actions have contradicted his words.

    I read it...thank you very much...

    and while the article may not have been about "supporting" Gonzo, the fact he wrote the piece + the fact he is now running for vice-president = opening a discussion pertaining to the author....
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    well, looking at Matt's record here;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Gonzalez

    it looks like the most he's done is prohibit the San Francisco Zoo from keeping elephants...

    yeah, I guess I want him to be one step away from the oval office...

    He looks pretty good compared to Obama. And what has Obama done, now that you mention it?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    dontloseyourheat wrote:
    1

    The article, in a straight forward manner, highlighted a number of instances in which Barack Obama's actions have contradicted his words.

    Exactly. Don't expect much convo on that,though.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    He looks pretty good compared to Obama. And what has Obama done, now that you mention it?

    he contradicted himself....as per Gonzo...;)

    Here's a bit more...

    http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    he contradicted himself....as per Gonzo...;)

    Here's a bit more...

    http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php

    Nah, you tell me...since you like him so
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Nah, you tell me...since you like him so

    tell you what...?

    :confused:
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    tell you what...?

    :confused:


    what Obama the great has done in his career? Since Gonzalez is seems so inexperienced to you...
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    what Obama the great has done in his career? Since Gonzalez is seems so inexperienced to you...

    He's run a pretty strong Campaign for President for the United States...

    I think that's something...
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    He's run a pretty strong Campaign for President for the United States...

    I think that's something...

    What's strong about it besides the bank account?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    What's strong about it besides the bank account?

    nothing...

    at least, that's what I'm being told...

    honestly, I could tell you this guy cured AIDS, Cancer, and Hiccups...and it wouldn't change your mind...
  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    What's strong about it besides the bank account?
    Obama's strong line of sheep is long and plenty also.

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