Turning the war toward Iran - The Neverending War on Terror

CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/world/middleeast/15diplo.html?ei=5065&en=a2ff8e7f7b47bd5c&ex=1187841600&adxnnl=1&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1187193694-im2gb0CZPsB9YwfLLyYzNg

"The Bush administration is preparing to declare that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps is a foreign terrorist organization, senior administration officials said Tuesday."

This is the central problem with ignoring the constitution and not declaring war. You don't declare war, then you get an endless conflict where the president can pick and choose which countries he would like to fight next.

This is insanity and it's no way to run foreign policy. Iran has done nothing to us. They have not killed one American soldier or citizen. Sure, they may fund our enemies, but perhaps we should be considering who are enemies should be...
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    lol..the funny thing people still don't understand... trying to stop terrorism...is a form of terrorism in itself..just an outward shove... eventually..someone...will shove back..

    ask the romans!


    stupid human beings.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    macgyver06 wrote:
    lol..the funny thing people still don't understand... trying to stop terrorism...is a form of terrorism in itself..just an outward shove... eventually..someone...will shove back..

    ask the romans!


    stupid human beings.

    America will cease to exist in just 143 years, or so. That's not much time. 143 years ago, Lincoln was President. My great-great aunt Mary was alive. I was 6 years old when she died.

    I blame destiny, too, ahnimus.

    damn, destiny.

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    Iran has done nothing to us. They have not killed one American soldier or citizen.

    neither did Iraq...
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Iraq and Iran are going to form an alliance. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next year... but, eventually, they will. The HAVE to. The two majority Shi'ia nations in a Sunni dominated region... it's in their best interests to flock together, isn't it?
    Where does it leave our troops that are still in Iraq... if we decide to go after Iran? How will the Shi'ite troops we are trainning over there react? Will they align with a non-Muslim nation that is half a world away... or a bretheren religious sect that lives next door?
    I know... it's Bush's and Cheney's wet dream to go to war with Iran... but, it's also Usama Bin Laden's, Muqtada al Sadr's and the Ayatollah Khomeni's wet dream, too. The best way to ensure that Iraq will fuse with Iran is to have the decadent, godless infidels of the Great Satan of the West unify them by going to war with them. That is all Jihadist's wet dream.
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    hey... I could have made it a thread...
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Arms dealers get ready to start jerking off in 3...2......late! :rolleyes: They beat me to it!
  • My3rdEyeMy3rdEye Posts: 927
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/world/middleeast/15diplo.html?ei=5065&en=a2ff8e7f7b47bd5c&ex=1187841600&adxnnl=1&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1187193694-im2gb0CZPsB9YwfLLyYzNg

    "The Bush administration is preparing to declare that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps is a foreign terrorist organization, senior administration officials said Tuesday."

    This is the central problem with ignoring the constitution and not declaring war. You don't declare war, then you get an endless conflict where the president can pick and choose which countries he would like to fight next.

    This is insanity and it's no way to run foreign policy. Iran has done nothing to us. They have not killed one American soldier or citizen. Sure, they may fund our enemies, but perhaps we should be considering who are enemies should be...


    I'll be back... I'm gonna go buy some Lockheed and Haliburton stock :p
  • The REAL Reason We Are After Iran:
    THEY JUST SWITCHED TO THE EURO FOR OIL.

    Google: Iran Oil Bourse
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Oil_Bourse
    http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_20982.shtml
    http://politics.netscape.com/story/2006/12/22/iran-turns-from-dollar-to-euro-in-oil-sales/

    Did you know Saddam was getting ready to switch to the Euro for oil sales?
    Chavez is thinking of doing the same?

    Did you know that global oil sales in dollars is essentially THE Global stabilizing factor of our flismy fiat currency? In other words ... the biggest reason our dollar has international strength is because in the 70's we strong armed OPEC in to taking ONLY dollars for oil. Uh oh ... big trouble ...

    ALSO

    Someone should remind Bush & Condy that our CIA overthrew Iran's FIRST DEMOCRATICALY ELECTED LEADER IN HISTORY back in the 50's ... and then armed SAVAK ... the brutal intelligence orginization of the brutal tyrant puppet shaw we propped up in Mossadegh's place.

    So ... uh ... who is the terrorist?

    Despite claims by the Bush administration that the United States has always supported "liberty" and "democracy" in Iran, the history of U.S.-Iranian relations during both Republican and Democratic administrations has demonstrated very little support for a democratic Iran. In the early 1950s, the last time Iran had a democratic constitutional government, the United States joined Britain and other countries in imposing economic sanctions against Iran in response to the nationalization of the country's oil resources, which until then had been under foreign control. Taking advantage of the economic collapse and political turmoil that followed, the CIA helped engineer a coup against Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh, and returned Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi from exile to rule with an iron fist.

    Over the next 25 years, the United States armed and trained the Shah's dreaded SAVAK (Organization for National Security and Intelligence) secret police, which emerged as one of the most repressive internal security organizations of the era. Despite claims to the contrary by right-wing critics of the Carter administration, the United States strongly supported the Shah until his final days in power, providing valuable assistance to the regime even as it was massacring protestors in the streets. It comes as no surprise, in light of this, that the revolution that finally ousted the monarchy in February 1979 was stridently anti-American. Furthermore, since the Shah's repressive apparatus had largely succeeded in wiping out the democratic and secular opposition to the regime, it was religious opponents—who survived as a result of the greater cohesion made possible through the mosques—who spearheaded the revolutionary movement. Thus, the radical Islamic orientation of the revolution was greatly influenced by the Shah's U.S.-backed efforts to maintain control through repression.
    source: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/4456
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/world/middleeast/15diplo.html?ei=5065&en=a2ff8e7f7b47bd5c&ex=1187841600&adxnnl=1&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&adxnnlx=1187193694-im2gb0CZPsB9YwfLLyYzNg

    "The Bush administration is preparing to declare that Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps is a foreign terrorist organization, senior administration officials said Tuesday."

    This is the central problem with ignoring the constitution and not declaring war. You don't declare war, then you get an endless conflict where the president can pick and choose which countries he would like to fight next.

    This is insanity and it's no way to run foreign policy. Iran has done nothing to us. They have not killed one American soldier or citizen. Sure, they may fund our enemies, but perhaps we should be considering who are enemies should be...

    who are you and what have you done with corporatewhore? and where the fuck were you when all of us were saying the same thing about iraq 4 years ago?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    We have a huge march on Sept 15th for Peace here in DC and I hope there we will let it be known that we won't get fooled into another quagmire of killing like in Iraq. Will America stand for another round of fighting Wars?

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  • and where the fuck were you when all of us were saying the same thing about iraq 4 years ago?

    Bangin yer mom
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Bangin yer mom

    hehe love the mom jokes
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    hehe love the mom jokes

    Watch, he's going to say "my mom was dead." They always say that.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Watch, he's going to say "my mom was dead." They always say that.


    get psychological help...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • The REAL Reason We Are After Iran:
    THEY JUST SWITCHED TO THE EURO FOR OIL.

    Google: Iran Oil Bourse
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Oil_Bourse
    http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_20982.shtml
    http://politics.netscape.com/story/2006/12/22/iran-turns-from-dollar-to-euro-in-oil-sales/

    Did you know Saddam was getting ready to switch to the Euro for oil sales?
    Chavez is thinking of doing the same?

    Did you know that global oil sales in dollars is essentially THE Global stabilizing factor of our flismy fiat currency? In other words ... the biggest reason our dollar has international strength is because in the 70's we strong armed OPEC in to taking ONLY dollars for oil. Uh oh ... big trouble ...

    ALSO

    Someone should remind Bush & Condy that our CIA overthrew Iran's FIRST DEMOCRATICALY ELECTED LEADER IN HISTORY back in the 50's ... and then armed SAVAK ... the brutal intelligence orginization of the brutal tyrant puppet shaw we propped up in Mossadegh's place.

    So ... uh ... who is the terrorist?

    Despite claims by the Bush administration that the United States has always supported "liberty" and "democracy" in Iran, the history of U.S.-Iranian relations during both Republican and Democratic administrations has demonstrated very little support for a democratic Iran. In the early 1950s, the last time Iran had a democratic constitutional government, the United States joined Britain and other countries in imposing economic sanctions against Iran in response to the nationalization of the country's oil resources, which until then had been under foreign control. Taking advantage of the economic collapse and political turmoil that followed, the CIA helped engineer a coup against Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh, and returned Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi from exile to rule with an iron fist.

    Over the next 25 years, the United States armed and trained the Shah's dreaded SAVAK (Organization for National Security and Intelligence) secret police, which emerged as one of the most repressive internal security organizations of the era. Despite claims to the contrary by right-wing critics of the Carter administration, the United States strongly supported the Shah until his final days in power, providing valuable assistance to the regime even as it was massacring protestors in the streets. It comes as no surprise, in light of this, that the revolution that finally ousted the monarchy in February 1979 was stridently anti-American. Furthermore, since the Shah's repressive apparatus had largely succeeded in wiping out the democratic and secular opposition to the regime, it was religious opponents—who survived as a result of the greater cohesion made possible through the mosques—who spearheaded the revolutionary movement. Thus, the radical Islamic orientation of the revolution was greatly influenced by the Shah's U.S.-backed efforts to maintain control through repression.
    source: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/4456

    It's definitely for keeping the US dollar popular. The US pushes outwards....resistance pushes back. It's the wrong approach.

    180 deg out of phase to what it needs to be.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    CorporateWhore
    Watch, he's going to say "my mom was dead." They always say that.

    There has to be something funnier than this that you can come up with. Raaseclathe.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Cheney has such a fucking hard on for Iran it's not even funny. I have said it before and I will say it again. We will carry out some type of military action against Iran before this administration leaves office. No doubt in my mind. Secondly the idea that we would attack Iran because of their switch to the Euro for petro currency is nothing new. I still believe that this was the reason we invaded Iraq. Saddam made the same move and before you know it we invade Iraq. The US Dollar is lossing so much ground to the Euro and any major oil exporter that decides to switch to the Euro will greatly hurt our economic might.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan wrote:
    Secondly the idea that we would attack Iran because of their switch to the Euro for petro currency is nothing new.

    I agree.
    I was merely attempting to point out that the major aggitation to the US here is the FACT that Iran HAS SWITCHED to accepting the euro for oil.

    I wasn't even really aware that they HAD, just that as of a few years ago they were discussing it.

    Apparently they did this around march, and are accepting pretty much anything BUT dollars now.
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I agree.
    I was merely attempting to point out that the major aggitation to the US here is the FACT that Iran HAS SWITCHED to accepting the euro for oil.

    I wasn't even really aware that they HAD, just that as of a few years ago they were discussing it.

    Apparently they did this around march, and are accepting pretty much anything BUT dollars now.


    I'm pretty sure Venezuela will follow suit.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan wrote:
    I'm pretty sure Venezuela will follow suit.

    I'm sure we are drafting up the invasion \ cia government overthrow\ add you to our terrorist organization list plan as we speak.

    actually i bet the plan has been on the books since '04.

    ;)
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • I agree.
    I was merely attempting to point out that the major aggitation to the US here is the FACT that Iran HAS SWITCHED to accepting the euro for oil.

    I wasn't even really aware that they HAD, just that as of a few years ago they were discussing it.

    Apparently they did this around march, and are accepting pretty much anything BUT dollars now.

    say Wha? I didn't check your links...to busy to get into reading articles right now

    The HAVE SWITCHED ALREADY!?....Whoa.. so it's all going hardball now eh?

    time for some googling...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
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