Wright The Racist, Or Wright is Right? [AIDS]

edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
Well he was smart enough to bring up the tuskegee experiments... but does NO one think he had a point?

Its not exactly like there is NO evidence to suggest that AIDS has more sinister origins.

For example.
Your favorite news source, Google\Youtube:

Deconstructing The Myth of AIDS

HIV=AIDS, Fact or Fraud?

The Strecker Memorandum

Any one?
I don't want to take anyone out of their happy little "comfort zone" of "reality".

I've watched around here long enough to know how people who disagree with the norm get treated.

Flame on.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    they wont respond, dont worry


    the conspiracy crowd picks and chooses thier conspiracies based on convenience
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    my2hands wrote:
    they wont respond, dont worry


    the conspiracy crowd picks and chooses thier conspiracies based on convenience
    Could it be because its been discussed before? Or because as soon as something like that gets posted all sorts of people who never post here come in and bash it without even looking into it? People dont want to believe it was created in a lab. Maybe next time you should give it more than and hour and a half before you post considering the first movie is 2 hours long
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    HIV/AIDS Made In America?

    This week in California a lawyer is suing the U.S. government, claiming that the HIV-AIDS virus is a man made virus developed and manufactured in the United States with the knowledge of the U.S. government. On June 27th. prominent lawyer and AIDS researcher, Dr. Boyd E Graves JD* will finally present his case, number 02 CV 02396**, before Judge Jeffrey T. Miller in a San Diego court, claiming that the HIV virus, the virus that causes AIDS, is a virus that was manufactured in American laboratories between 1962 and 1978. On November 27th. last year the Office of the Secretary of the United States Department of Health and Human Services granted Dr. Graves sixty days to file suit in the United States federal court against the U.S. government. Graves claims he has hundreds of government documents proving HIV-AIDS was designed as biological terrorism against African-Americans. His action was initially brought in the U.S. Supreme Court, Case No. 00-9587.***

    Researchers have long suspected that HIV arose as a result of a viral "cross-species jump" from primates to humans. The theory is that, through contact with chimpanzee blood, possibly through hunting them and eating the meat, humans were exposed to Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV) which mutated into Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV). Not everyone agrees with this theory, and recently it has been challenged by Dr. Graves, who believes he has discovered the most terrifying inference about HIV-AIDS. Graves claims it is becoming increasingly clear that this virus was not, as scientists at first thought, passed from chimpanzees to mankind, but was probably knowingly developed by doctors and scientists working for the United States government. Graves says that in April 1984, Dr. Robert Gallo filed a United States patent application for his invention, the HIV-AIDS Virus. The Patent number for the invention is 4647773, details of which can be found at the US Patent Office website.****

    According to Graves, the scientific evidence is compelling. He says:

    "The HIV-AIDS Virus was manufactured as a designer bi-product of the US Special Virus programme. The Special Virus programme was a federal virus development programme that persisted in the United States from 1962 until 1978. Dr. Robert Gallo's 1971 Special Virus paper reveals that the United States was seeking a "virus particle" that would negatively impact the defence mechanisms of the immune system. The programme sought to modify the genome of the virus particle in which to splice in an animal wasting disease called Visna." Graves says Dr. Gallo's 1971 Special Virus paper is identical to his 1984 announcement of AIDS, and in 2001 Dr. Gallo conceded his role as "Project Officer" for the federal virus development programme, the Special Virus.

    Graves claims the US Special Virus was added as a "compliment" by vaccine manufacturer Merck to experimental hepatitis B vaccines given to gay men in New York City, Los Angeles and San Fransisco; and smallpox vaccines given to blacks in central Africa, during the late 1970's and early 1980's. Shortly thereafter the world was overwhelmed with mass infections of a human retrovirus that differed from any known human disease, it was highly contagious and it could kill. Boyd Graves now believes that HIV-AIDS is probably an evolutionary, laboratory development of the peculiar Visna Virus, first detected in Icelandic sheep. Graves himself is a graduate of Annapolis US Naval Academy and law school who, in 1992 tested positive for HIV.

    "Today I am hailed as "the Man Who Solved AIDS", he says. "What many people do not understand is that HIV contains particles of an Icelandic sheep disease, VISNA. Visna is from nazi Germany. It too is man made. The Supreme Court case was brought from a lower court which dismissed the origin of AIDS as a frivolous issue. I do not believe anyone in the world considers the origin of AIDS frivolous."

    He claims to have one piece of evidence he's convinced will force the judge to rule in his favour saying: "If that happens the government will be forced to release all sorts of previously-classified research which proves the real origins of HIV-AIDS. The United States must account to the American people and the people of the world for the U.S. Special Virus Program."

    In a new report, UNAIDS, the United Nation's joint program on HIV-AIDS, says that an estimated 45 million people worldwide are now living with HIV. UNAIDS executive director Peter Piot said: "Within the first 20 years, 58 million people have become infected and 23 million have been killed by HIV-AIDS." So, if Boyd E Graves is to be believed, and on June 27th. he can try to prove his case in the US federal court, it appears that HIV-AIDS may be a virus that has been manufactured and utilised by doctors and scientists with the knowledge and co-operation of the government of the United States of America. If this were to be proved true, two questions emerge. Firstly, for what reason was such a deadly virus invented? Secondly, according to all the laws governing the manufacture, development and deployment of biological and chemical weapons, was the invention and use of the HIV-AIDS virus by the United States the first act of mass bio-terrorism the world has witnessed?

    http://codshit.blogspot.com/search/label/AIDS
  • my2hands wrote:
    they wont respond, dont worry


    the conspiracy crowd picks and chooses thier conspiracies based on convenience

    isn't there an ancient proverb somewhere that says only a fool would attempt to speak for everyone or something like that? ;)
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    It's been discussed already, in numerous other threads ... Go read those for people's views. I hate these posts that call people out and demand that they say shit that's already been said 800 times elsewhere. Why do we need another thread? If you want to be exhibitionistic in your willingness to espouse conspiracy theories, go do it in a pre-existing thread.
  • DixieNDixieN Posts: 351
    What kind of fool would develop a horrible, deadly disease which can kill indiscriminately and think that in the general population it would kill only this class of people or that class? Only someone totally insane would do this, and totally insane people do exist. But, whole cadres of them working together? The Nazis handpicked who'd benefit from a "final solution," which was insane, but who just tosses a virus out there which can't handpick anybody? A group with a suicide wish, I guess, could be the answer. I fail to see how creating AIDS could satisfy even the most hardcore racist or homophobe since the virus has no idea who's black or who's gay or a Lion's Club member. The likelihood of creating such a virus for the stated purpose seems low since the likelihood of it working in the manner intended is not just a near impossibility, it IS an impossibility.
  • dark pinkdark pink Posts: 26
    Well he was smart enough to bring up the tuskegee experiments... but does NO one think he had a point?

    Its not exactly like there is NO evidence to suggest that AIDS has more sinister origins.

    For example.
    Your favorite news source, Google\Youtube:

    Deconstructing The Myth of AIDS

    HIV=AIDS, Fact or Fraud?

    The Strecker Memorandum

    Any one?
    I don't want to take anyone out of their happy little "comfort zone" of "reality".

    I've watched around here long enough to know how people who disagree with the norm get treated.

    Flame on.

    For people to debate the validity of many of his accusations would be ignorant.

    Its his 'delivery' that many object to, and assertions that the answer is more racial divide.

    Like many dynamic leaders, some of what he espouses is genius and some is ego-rooted garbage.
    None of us operate from a singular motive.
    "A lie travels half-way around the world
    before the truth can even gets its boots on to get out the door."

    -Mark Twain
  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    dark pink wrote:
    For people to debate the validity of many of his accusations would be ignorant.

    Its his 'delivery' that many object to, and assertions that the answer is more racial divide.

    Like many dynamic leaders, some of what he espouses is genius and some is ego-rooted garbage.
    I think it's pretty clear that it's racially motivated if the U.S. government did in fact manufacture AIDS. And it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they did.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    dark pink wrote:
    For people to debate the validity of many of his accusations would be ignorant.

    Its his 'delivery' that many object to, and assertions that the answer is more racial divide.

    Like many dynamic leaders, some of what he espouses is genius and some is ego-rooted garbage.

    I think some can debate the validity of the AIDS comment, due to the sheer fucking lack of quality evidence that backs up the claim!

    But yes, otherwise, I basically agree. I don't think the man is a genius, precisely because he promotes an increased racial divide and comes off like a retard on crank, but otherwise, yes ... He's got valid points buried in there somewhere.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,730
    Well he was smart enough to bring up the tuskegee experiments... but does NO one think he had a point?

    Its not exactly like there is NO evidence to suggest that AIDS has more sinister origins.

    For example.
    Your favorite news source, Google\Youtube:

    Deconstructing The Myth of AIDS

    HIV=AIDS, Fact or Fraud?

    The Strecker Memorandum

    Any one?
    I don't want to take anyone out of their happy little "comfort zone" of "reality".

    I've watched around here long enough to know how people who disagree with the norm get treated.

    Flame on.

    Hmmmm....someone with a weird name, and just 4 posts, starting a thread about a conspiracy.....thats suspicious!
  • dark pinkdark pink Posts: 26
    I think some can debate the validity of the AIDS comment, due to the sheer fucking lack of quality evidence that backs up the claim!

    But yes, otherwise, I basically agree. I don't think the man is a genius, precisely because he promotes an increased racial divide and comes off like a retard on crank, but otherwise, yes ... He's got valid points buried in there somewhere.

    Fair enough.

    I said 'many' of his arguments, not necc. the AIDS one.
    When he speaks on slavery for instance, he might be onto sumpin' there.
    None of us operate from a singular motive.
    "A lie travels half-way around the world
    before the truth can even gets its boots on to get out the door."

    -Mark Twain
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    DixieN wrote:
    What kind of fool would develop a horrible, deadly disease which can kill indiscriminately and think that in the general population it would kill only this class of people or that class? Only someone totally insane would do this, and totally insane people do exist. But, whole cadres of them working together? The Nazis handpicked who'd benefit from a "final solution," which was insane, but who just tosses a virus out there which can't handpick anybody? A group with a suicide wish, I guess, could be the answer. I fail to see how creating AIDS could satisfy even the most hardcore racist or homophobe since the virus has no idea who's black or who's gay or a Lion's Club member. The likelihood of creating such a virus for the stated purpose seems low since the likelihood of it working in the manner intended is not just a near impossibility, it IS an impossibility.

    Exactly. That is why this particular conspiracy theory is stupid beyond belief. You don't send a sniper out with a sawed off shotgun, and you don't target a portion of a population with something that can attack the entire population.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    it would be a useful tool to keep the population under control. Along with cigarettes and everything else that fills our body with cancer.
  • Nevermind wrote:
    it would be a useful tool to keep the population under control. Along with cigarettes and everything else that fills our body with cancer.

    A little off-topic, but a friend of mine once said that if we ever cure cancer, cannibalism will suddenly become much more socially acceptable as a means of population control. Scary thought.:p
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    DixieN wrote:
    What kind of fool would develop a horrible, deadly disease which can kill indiscriminately .

    The fools in the department of biological warfare. That kind.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    cornnifer wrote:
    The fools in the department of biological warfare. That kind.


    CDC
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    my2hands wrote:
    CDC

    Perhaps. More than the center for Disease Control i was referring to the guys whose job it is to create biological weapons.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
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