Shroud of Turin.. Jesus or just some guy?
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The Shroud of Turin is a burial cloth made from linen, 4.37m long and 1.11m wide that bears the image of a crucified man. The image on the cloth is a double image of the front and back of a man with wounds to the face, left wrist, feet and right side of the chest. Many believe the image to be that of Jesus of Nazareth. However debate about whether the Shroud is that of Jesus of Nazareth or merely a medieval forgery has raged over the years. It is the single most studied artifact in history and to this date no clear conclusion has been reached on its authenticity.
If the Shroud was dated to the exact time of Christ's cruxifiction, how do we know it is really his image. Many people were cruxified in the same way?
What impact would it have on religion if it was proven to be the image of Christ?
If it is a forgery who created the cloth and why?
If the Shroud was dated to the exact time of Christ's cruxifiction, how do we know it is really his image. Many people were cruxified in the same way?
What impact would it have on religion if it was proven to be the image of Christ?
If it is a forgery who created the cloth and why?
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http://www.send2press.com/newswire/2006-03-0309-004.shtml
I'm pretty sure it was proved as a fake years ago.
-Ashley Montagu
hmmm? I don't see Jesus, but it does kind of look like one of the demons from this computer game I used to play years ago... What does that say about my subconcious?
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It just means that since you played that game a lot the images of the game are burned into your brain. It's going to reflect during times like this.
No, they did Carbon 14 dating in 1988 that proved it was from the medival period which some took to mean that it could not be the image of Jesus. But then in 2005 they redid the dating and found it to be in error.
One hypothesis was that a serious fire in 1532 that nearly destroyed the Shroud had somehow changed the measurement age of the cloth. Another theory was that a bioplastic-polymer growing on the cloth contaminated the sample. But since these ideas were scientifically insupportable. Scientists, who were knowledgeable in radiocarbon dating, science dismissed them
There was an article in a scientific journal, Thermochimica Acta, which showed that the carbon 14 dating was flawed because the sample was invalid. It turns out that the corner from which the sample was taken for carbon dating had been mended. As a result, the sample included a significant amount of newer material.
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I'm kind of curious why they mended the bloody shroud of a dead man?
Well, I suppose if you thought it was Jesus' shroud you'd mend it.
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Have we lost our way tonight?
Have we lost our hope to sorrow?
Feels like were all alone
Running further from what’s right
And there are no more heroes to follow
So what are we becoming?
Where did we go wrong?
Yes we do, he had long flowing gold locks and blue eyes. And he sometimes swung around a gold vessel of incense as he walked.
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*nod* And did you know, that is why the world is now full of such sweet smelling water? The incense. Not a lot of people know that.
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Excellent point! Do people actually worship the Shroud though? Well I guess some do... You get people praying to images of the Virgin Mary in a Potato....
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Are there really actual records or documented evidence that say a man named Jesus Christ was crucified or even lived for that matter? (besides scriptures of course)
Nope, Appolonius of Tyana, now that's a different story.
This tells the story if no one knows.
http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping57.htm
If the people were actually worshipping the shroud, then yeah. But people who pray to statues or other "idols" as you put it, aren't actually praying to the object. No one worships the shroud, or the statue of Mary itself,... They pray in front of these objects with the spirit of the person they represent in mind. They are only there for a reminder. Those things are special to people because to them, it means proof on top of faith.
Now there probably are exceptions, and those exceptions are statues or paintings that have produced miracles. And even so, it's still not the statue so much, but the fact that people believe that there is a presence around the statue.
This is also pretty interesting.
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