More temperature lies

rah0027

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml

Songburst

And here we just had a couple of days around 23°C (where it is usually around freezing at this time of year). Gore's global warming mantra is BS politics, but there has been some weird weather lately.

NOCODE#1

i swear to God, you two would have joined,"the world is flat" crowd. I can totally imagine that if talk radio existed, the Reich wing would have said "the world is obviously flat".


I marvel at people who don't think the planet is in deep deep shit.

Songburst

NOCODE#1 wrote:

i swear to God, you two would have joined,"the world is flat" crowd. I can totally imagine that if talk radio existed, the Reich wing would have said "the world is obviously flat".


I marvel at people who don't think the planet is in deep deep shit.

The funny thing is that Gore's position is the Reich propaganda - you would have been the guy shovelling Jews into showers and complaining about the people who didn't believe that they were less than human.

Global temperatures are far more likely to change due to solar radiation cycles (ie the heat that the sun provides to the earth which is far from constant) than anything that we can do to the atmosphere. I agree that we should limit emissions as much as possible based on the fact that it isn't healthy to breathe the pollution in (in fact it is a big part of what I do as an engineer).

Gore's little hockey stick temperature trend showing a huge increase in temperature over the last 20 years is flat out wrong. The 1930s are the hottest decade on record.

drew2420

The Earth is very sick. I don't need scientific measurements to tell me that. We all have a certain connection to the Earth, it is a living creature. And if you can't feel her pain, than I am very scared.

angelica

drew2420 wrote:

The Earth is very sick. I don't need scientific measurements to tell me that. We all have a certain connection to the Earth, it is a living creature. And if you can't feel her pain, than I am very scared.

In the bigger picture spiritually speaking, we move beyond the duality-thinking of the brain, or beyond good and bad. Beyond illness and health. We see what Is, beyond dichotomy. The only way we can understand illness is by embracing it from beyond, from a place of Oneness and Unity. From the Eternity of each moment.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Yin_yang.svg/466px-Yin_yang.svg.png

The 'bad' is One with the 'good'. To separate them is an illusion of our human ego.

"There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so" ~ William Shakespeare

Songburst

drew2420 wrote:

The Earth is very sick. I don't need scientific measurements to tell me that. We all have a certain connection to the Earth, it is a living creature. And if you can't feel her pain, than I am very scared.

The earth is fine. It has survived far worse conditions than the ones that we are imposing on it. It will continue to roll around through space long after every living thing has been wiped off of it.

angelica

Songburst wrote:

The earth is fine. It has survived far worse conditions than the ones that we are imposing on it. It will continue to roll around through space long after every living thing has been wiped off of it.

My guess is that drew is referring to the biosphere...which is definitely showing dramatic signs of not being so fine. It is definitely prudent for us to take notice, and act accordingly, so as to adapt ... adaptively rather than maladaptively.

angelica

When one is attuned to the level of biosphere, one is attuned to the issues of biology. And one recognizes that biology flows through us. We are not objective observers of the biosphere...as we are one with it, being biological beings. The biology that is in integrated oneness with the physical earth (and the level of physiosphere) is giving us feedback, when we are willing to listen.

I'm with some of you in this thread though....feedback from the biosphere is very different than theories and ideas regarding human concepts like "global warming" which are definitely up for debate/discovery rather than being definitely objectively accurate.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

drew2420 wrote:

The Earth is very sick. I don't need scientific measurements to tell me that. We all have a certain connection to the Earth, it is a living creature. And if you can't feel her pain, than I am very scared.

wow. maybe i need to prance naked around an oak tree or something. i'm really behind on my druid rituals.

anyway. pollution, the stripping of resources, and overpopulation are very real problems. i'm not completely convinced on this global warming thing, and scientists are at a loss to explain why things arent yet happening like their predictions, but regardless, we face very real pollution problems.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Sea ice growing at fastest pace on record:
http://www.dailytech.com/Sea+Ice+Growing+at+Fastest+Pace+on+Record/article13385.htm

drew2420

MrSmith wrote:

wow. maybe i need to prance naked around an oak tree or something. i'm really behind on my druid rituals.

anyway. pollution, the stripping of resources, and overpopulation are very real problems. i'm not completely convinced on this global warming thing, and scientists are at a loss to explain why things arent yet happening like their predictions, but regardless, we face very real pollution problems.

We are raping the earth. Carelessly using it for our greedy desires. Keep arguing about global warming, while we change nothing. It's like people arguing red or blue, right or left.

jenmarie

It's freezing in NYC today- and not expected to get warm till March- I think we're all ok

Songburst

drew2420 wrote:

We are raping the earth. Carelessly using it for our greedy desires. Keep arguing about global warming, while we change nothing. It's like people arguing red or blue, right or left.

It's nothing like that. People are arguing about the validity of the global warming hypothesis, which isn't even close to have been proven.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4757411a1865.html

"Both surface temperature records and the much more accurate records from satellite observations show there was a brief warming period from 1975-98. Since then, the world has cooled and is now at the same temperature it was in 1995. Nobody knows when, or if, world temperatures might increase.

Since the research for the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report was completed in mid 2006, researchers have discovered that warming since 1975 is not caused by greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gas warming would be at a maximum 10,000m above the tropics.

Observations from balloons and satellites have shown that warming is not happening. Therefore greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide are not a major factor in the world climate. This fact alone is sufficient to sink the manmade global warming hypothesis."

"More evidence is gathering that the sun, not greenhouse gases, drives our climate. Records going back thousands of years show a close correlation between sunspots and climate.

The theory is that sunspot- related effects influence the number of high-energy cosmic rays reaching the atmosphere and that these cosmic rays affect cloud formation.

Very soon, a major experiment will be set up to test this theory. If it is shown to be correct, that alone will be sufficient to sink the hypothesis of manmade global warming.

There have been very few sunspots over the past few years and the next sunspot cycle, 24, is beginning but weak.

History tells us that such circumstances are associated with quite severe cooling, possibly similar to the little ice age."

"Carbon dioxide is, most definitely, not a pollutant. It is as essential to life on earth as is oxygen or water. Pollutants are, by definition, something that we would be better off without. Without carbon dioxide most of the life on earth would die within a few weeks.

But there is one fact that we can be sure of: the moderate increase in carbon dioxide in the last 100 years or so has benefited mankind because it has boosted plant growth and food production by at least 15 per cent."

bootlegger10

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4757411a1865.html

"Both surface temperature records and the much more accurate records from satellite observations show there was a brief warming period from 1975-98. Since then, the world has cooled and is now at the same temperature it was in 1995. Nobody knows when, or if, world temperatures might increase.

Since the research for the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report was completed in mid 2006, researchers have discovered that warming since 1975 is not caused by greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gas warming would be at a maximum 10,000m above the tropics.

Observations from balloons and satellites have shown that warming is not happening. Therefore greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide are not a major factor in the world climate. This fact alone is sufficient to sink the manmade global warming hypothesis."

"More evidence is gathering that the sun, not greenhouse gases, drives our climate. Records going back thousands of years show a close correlation between sunspots and climate.

The theory is that sunspot- related effects influence the number of high-energy cosmic rays reaching the atmosphere and that these cosmic rays affect cloud formation.

Very soon, a major experiment will be set up to test this theory. If it is shown to be correct, that alone will be sufficient to sink the hypothesis of manmade global warming.

There have been very few sunspots over the past few years and the next sunspot cycle, 24, is beginning but weak.

History tells us that such circumstances are associated with quite severe cooling, possibly similar to the little ice age."

"Carbon dioxide is, most definitely, not a pollutant. It is as essential to life on earth as is oxygen or water. Pollutants are, by definition, something that we would be better off without. Without carbon dioxide most of the life on earth would die within a few weeks.

But there is one fact that we can be sure of: the moderate increase in carbon dioxide in the last 100 years or so has benefited mankind because it has boosted plant growth and food production by at least 15 per cent."

Interesting stuff.

As an aside, it is so hard to know what you can and cannot believe anymore when you read something.

angelica

bootlegger10 wrote:

Interesting stuff.

As an aside, it is so hard to know what you can and cannot believe anymore when you read something.

I agree 100%. We tend to believe what goes along with our preconceptions...

Songburst

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4757411a1865.html

"Both surface temperature records and the much more accurate records from satellite observations show there was a brief warming period from 1975-98. Since then, the world has cooled and is now at the same temperature it was in 1995. Nobody knows when, or if, world temperatures might increase.

Since the research for the 2007 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report was completed in mid 2006, researchers have discovered that warming since 1975 is not caused by greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gas warming would be at a maximum 10,000m above the tropics.

Observations from balloons and satellites have shown that warming is not happening. Therefore greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide are not a major factor in the world climate. This fact alone is sufficient to sink the manmade global warming hypothesis."

"More evidence is gathering that the sun, not greenhouse gases, drives our climate. Records going back thousands of years show a close correlation between sunspots and climate.

The theory is that sunspot- related effects influence the number of high-energy cosmic rays reaching the atmosphere and that these cosmic rays affect cloud formation.

Very soon, a major experiment will be set up to test this theory. If it is shown to be correct, that alone will be sufficient to sink the hypothesis of manmade global warming.

There have been very few sunspots over the past few years and the next sunspot cycle, 24, is beginning but weak.

History tells us that such circumstances are associated with quite severe cooling, possibly similar to the little ice age."

"Carbon dioxide is, most definitely, not a pollutant. It is as essential to life on earth as is oxygen or water. Pollutants are, by definition, something that we would be better off without. Without carbon dioxide most of the life on earth would die within a few weeks.

But there is one fact that we can be sure of: the moderate increase in carbon dioxide in the last 100 years or so has benefited mankind because it has boosted plant growth and food production by at least 15 per cent."

Sounds like common sense to me. It's amazing how much a little TV time affects a populations way of thinking.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Songburst wrote:

Sounds like common sense to me. It's amazing how much a little TV time affects a populations way of thinking.

I'm still not 100% convinced wither way. It's hard to tell who's interests are being served, although I'm seeing more science coming out disproving the original claims of global warming.

I will be very interested to see how this cosmic ray experiment turns out. I know the godfather guy of global warming put up weather balloons expecting to see increased levels of CO2 in key spots in the atmosphere but found no increase to explain anything Al Gore was saying.

searchlightsoul

angelica wrote:

When one is attuned to the level of biosphere, one is attuned to the issues of biology. And one recognizes that biology flows through us. We are not objective observers of the biosphere...as we are one with it, being biological beings. The biology that is in integrated oneness with the physical earth (and the level of physiosphere) is giving us feedback, when we are willing to listen.

So I see your still smoking the good stuff?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Global non breathing day....funny stuff.

"According to a study by the USDA, an average person’s respiration generates approximately 450 litres (roughly 900 grams) of carbon dioxide per day. I calculate this to be 0.3285 tonnes per year per person. There are over 6.5 billion people in the world (6,557,136,735), which, if they breathed half as much (saving 0.16425 tonnes of CO2 per person per year) would save over one billion tonnes of CO2 (1,077,009,708).

If we can slow down our metabolism we will breath less, there are several ways to do this:
1) Exercise less; burn less sugar and eat less food (also indirectly reducing food transport emissions too – but making people a bit fatter and increasing passenger flight emissions). Stop playing badminton and football, start playing dominoes instead.

2) Sleep more; when we sleep breathing slows, the heart rate also slows. Stages 1 and 2 are light sleep in which breathing is slower than when a person is awake. Stages 3 and 4 are called slow-wave (delta) sleep, in which the person’s rate of breathing slows down further. During REM sleep, it is normal to have short episodes when breathing stops (apnea) – even better!

3) Meditation; the Chinese may be taking a lot of flack for starting up one coal fired power station each week, but they do at least have the edge on the breathing front. Yogic breathing is slow, infrequent and environmentally friendly.

4) Start a campaign for global non-breathing day – a day which we all spend sleeping in, doing no exercise and meditating. Who needs an economy anyway?"

Kann

jenmarie wrote:

It's freezing in NYC today- and not expected to get warm till March- I think we're all ok

My floor has : 4 handicapped people, 4 crazy persons and 2 normal persons. That must mean the world is made of 40% of handicapped people, 40% of crazy people and 20% of normal people. What you observe is not necessarily what is true.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4757411a1865.html

Interesting article, but all of us are still waiting for conclusive evidence on both side of the fence. Nothing has disproved the unproven manmade global warming yet. Wait and see, and in the meanwhile, we could at least try to take care a care of our own environment as it's not at its best right now.

"Carbon dioxide is, most definitely, not a pollutant. It is as essential to life on earth as is oxygen or water. Pollutants are, by definition, something that we would be better off without.

Actually polluants are something we would be better off with less not without. Almost no particle is of no utility, some just need to stay in very little density - like carbon dioxide.

NOCODE#1

Songburst wrote:

The funny thing is that Gore's position is the Reich propaganda - you would have been the guy shovelling Jews into showers and complaining about the people who didn't believe that they were less than human.

its almost as if your thought process is completely broken, cant reason with the insane.

NOCODE#1

Songburst wrote:

The earth is fine. It has survived far worse conditions than the ones that we are imposing on it.

wow since you were apparently there, can you tell us?

NOCODE#1

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Sea ice growing at fastest pace on record:
http://www.dailytech.com/Sea+Ice+Growing+at+Fastest+Pace+on+Record/article13385.htm

shit! its over, Ill call Al myself, ice is growing in certain spots! WHEW

NOCODE#1

jenmarie wrote:

It's freezing in NYC today- and not expected to get warm till March- I think we're all ok

Winner of the dumbest post of the thread award.


So in your life, its cold in november, where YOU live, OBVIOUSLY the worlds ok then.

nuffingman

angelica wrote:

My guess is that drew is referring to the biosphere...which is definitely showing dramatic signs of not being so fine. It is definitely prudent for us to take notice, and act accordingly, so as to adapt ... adaptively rather than maladaptively.

We won't take notice! We'll continue to create gas guzzling vehicles and continue with polluting industries. The political leaders don't have the balls to do anything and are frightened of losing votes by shutting these places down.

Planet earth will be fine, except we won't be here to enjoy it. It will spin around, repair itself, new species will evolve and they will find out what we did and laugh at the dumb fucks we are.

zacman13245

Studies show Mars, Neptune, Jupiter, Triton and Pluto are warming. Don't they know about ethanol and hydrogen cars?

zacman13245

Studies show Mars, Neptune, Jupiter, Triton and Pluto are warming. Don't they know about ethanol and hydrogen cars?

polaris

i'll say the SAME thing that i always say on this thread that ultimately will result in ZERO people responding ...

Study the greenhouse effect - dispute that piece of science and get back to me ... otherewise - you guys are just googling the same shit ... i can blog that i'm the king of spain - doesn't make it right ...

if you really care to understand this topic/issue - educate yourselves ... but if all you want is to hear shit that goes along with your beliefs - then what you essentially are is a sheep ...

angelica

nuffingman wrote:

We won't take notice! We'll continue to create gas guzzling vehicles and continue with polluting industries. The political leaders don't have the balls to do anything and are frightened of losing votes by shutting these places down.

Planet earth will be fine, except we won't be here to enjoy it. It will spin around, repair itself, new species will evolve and they will find out what we did and laugh at the dumb fucks we are.

Honestly, I don't blame the leaders for reflecting where the people are. When the vast majority of the people one governs continue to rape and pillage the earth, good luck on turning that around! The leaders are meant to represent the people. It's up to individuals, en masse to make these changes within. I don't buy into the "it's up to our leaders to do it for us" routine. People pretend they care, while they drive their cars, and then expect things to not continue on in the direction they are. It's denial and lack of personal responsibility. So when a handful is blamed for the willful ignorance of many, I see otherwise.