Red Dawn vs. Iraq : A comparative discussion

B nice

Red Dawn was on Fuse today.... Unfortunately like most other things , it got me thinking about Iraq and this fucked up invasion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dawn

Watch the movie.. yeah yeah . i know you have seen it. Watch It Again.. And then lets talk, discuss, learn , love ....

First ....
Freedom Fighters and Insurgents


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverines

Rushlimbo

I believe there was an insurgency against the bad acting of Patrick Swayze. Thankfully the insurgency prevailed.

onelongsong

B nice wrote:

Red Dawn was on Fuse today.... Unfortunately like most other things , it got me thinking about Iraq and this fucked up invasion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dawn

Watch the movie.. yeah yeah . i know you have seen it. Watch It Again.. And then lets talk, discuss, learn , love ....

First ....
Freedom Fighters and Insurgents


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverines

red dawn showed how the american people would fight against a bad government or invasion. it showed why; in modern time the second amendment is still relevant.
i wasn't able to answer a question posted a few weeks ago and i couldn't find the thread today; but the question was:
"when was the last time a country was taken over by a totaltarian government". someone answered "germany circa 1934".
i wanted to complete the list. in the 20th century:
germany-twice; france -twice; italy; poland; czecoslavakia; hungary; ukraine; russia; iran; iraq; kuwait; turkey; most of central america;and many others i can't remember.

someone stated that america has never been invaded and another replied with the american revolution. let's also add the war of 1812; the spanish american war; and i believe a war with the french for the northwest territories but i could be wrong.

this being said; the second amendment is more relevant now then ever before in history.

norm

Wolverines!!!!!!!!

onelongsong

ooopppsss; i forgot cuba.

Trau

The Spanish-American War was sort of bullshit.

onelongsong

Trau wrote:

The Spanish-American War was sort of bullshit.

when it comes down to it; all wars are/were. but the fact remains that every invasion on american soil was fought by armed citizens.

Flannel Shirt

Rushlimbo wrote:

I believe there was an insurgency against the bad acting of Patrick Swayze. Thankfully the insurgency prevailed.

HA HA!

Red Dawn kicked ass! I loved it when the American Insurgents, I mean Freedom Fighters, I mean Minutemen fought gorilla style against the occupying government. Who wouldnt?

onelongsong

Flannel Shirt wrote:

HA HA!

Red Dawn kicked ass! I loved it when the American Insurgents, I mean Freedom Fighters, I mean Minutemen fought gorilla style against the occupying government. Who wouldnt?

i loved it too. it answered questions about how we'd protect ourselves. it also showed how the us is not set up to fight small "armies" as illistrated in 9/11 and other attacks.
down periscope is another favourite of mine. lmao!

Cosmo

B nice wrote:

Red Dawn was on Fuse today.... Unfortunately like most other things , it got me thinking about Iraq and this fucked up invasion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dawn

Watch the movie.. yeah yeah . i know you have seen it. Watch It Again.. And then lets talk, discuss, learn , love ....

First ....
Freedom Fighters and Insurgents


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverines

...
The Wolverines were insurgents... they used 'unfair', terrorist tactics on uniformed soldiers. They were cowards for not coming out and fighting like men. They blended in with the civilian population and planted bombs. They even killed their own kind for cooperating with their 'Liberators'.
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At least, that how Soviet television and Communist invasion/occupation supporters would have probably portrayed them as.

gue_barium

B nice wrote:

Red Dawn was on Fuse today.... Unfortunately like most other things , it got me thinking about Iraq and this fucked up invasion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dawn

Watch the movie.. yeah yeah . i know you have seen it. Watch It Again.. And then lets talk, discuss, learn , love ....

First ....
Freedom Fighters and Insurgents


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverines

That movie was/is about as significant as a 14-year-old farm boy's wet dream.

Of course, in America...

Carry on.

onelongsong

onelongsong wrote:

i loved it too. it answered questions about how we'd protect ourselves. it also showed how the us is not set up to fight small "armies" as illistrated in 9/11 and other attacks.
down periscope is another favourite of mine. lmao!

after thinking about this; i think the movie showed how we would have to fight against an invasion. the american revolutionists learned from the american indians. the new americans would never have won against england using the tactics of the time. they needed a way to fight and preserve their own lives while accomplishing their goals. that really came accross in the movie. as did the spirit of knowing that there is a way.
we see the same thing going on in iraq. we think our armed forces cannot be beat yet we can't surpress a handfull of insurgents. we lost the war in vietman; and some say it's because we didn't use the ruthless tactics the north vietnamese used; while others blame lack of support on the mainland.

the war in iraq may have been over by now had it had the backing it needed. with the people in america fighting amongst themselves; the war will continue for years to come. just as vietnam did. if we walk away we give a nation to those who will attack us on our mainland. walking away will allow them to become stronger.
if the 9/11 attack was an isolated incident; i may agree with many of you; but we've been dealing with terrorist attacks for over 25 years. from attacks on casinos to having planes blown up to the 1992 attack on the wtc. we can fight them there; or we can fight them here. in the 25 years we tried to fight them here; we've lost every time.

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

That movie was/is about as significant as a 14-year-old farm boy's wet dream.

Of course, in America...

Carry on.

i beg to differ. the movie was a portrayal of how americans won every fight on it's mainland from it's conception.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

i beg to differ. the movie was a portrayal of how americans won every fight on it's mainland from it's conception.

Then it would have been a historical documentary on PBS.

I think this was a fantasy about the Russians invading, was it not?

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

Then it would have been a historical documentary on PBS.

I think this was a fantasy about the Russians invading, was it not?

the historical documentaries have been done over and over. i don't think movies have one meaning. the invaders were russians; yes; but they don't have to be. sometimes we need to read between the lines and find what a movie means to us. to you it meant one thing; to someone else it means something entirely different.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

the historical documentaries have been done over and over. i don't think movies have one meaning. the invaders were russians; yes; but they don't have to be. sometimes we need to read between the lines and find what a movie means to us. to you it meant one thing; to someone else it means something entirely different.

But, you're saying it is a factual representation of American history. That's just silly. It is a fantasy movie made during the Cold war to bring dollars to the box office because american boys like to see their hero-fantasies on the big screen.

Specifics

gue_barium wrote:

But, you're saying it is a factual representation of American history. That's just silly. It is a fantasy movie made during the Cold war to bring dollars to the box office because american boys like to see their hero-fantasies on the big screen.

And i suppose Time-Cop is not a scientific look at how we would deal with crime when time travel becomes reality?!

Commando is definitely real.

In fact im gonna talk to soon to be PM Brown he needs to get his ass in gear and give us guns!

gue_barium

Specifics wrote:

And i suppose Time-Cop is not a scientific look at how we would deal with crime when time travel becomes reality?!

Commando is definitely real.

In fact im gonna talk to soon to be PM Brown he needs to get his ass in gear and give us guns!

Hey, the grass was green in Red Dawn. It must be factual.

gue_barium

gue_barium wrote:

Hey, the grass was green in Red Dawn. It must be factual.

Yeah...where would America be now without Turf-Builder and MiracleGro?

Specifics

gue_barium wrote:

Hey, the grass was green in Red Dawn. It must be factual.

Yeah...where would America be now without Turf-Builder and Miracle.....oh you beat me to it

you crazy fucker:)

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

But, you're saying it is a factual representation of American history. That's just silly. It is a fantasy movie made during the Cold war to bring dollars to the box office because american boys like to see their hero-fantasies on the big screen.

you sure can read a lot into something. what i don't understand is why. the movie was as factual as ghostbusters. that is; the plot. it used factual basis but my point was that the movie portrayed how armed americans could or would protect themselves from an invading force. thus the relevence of the second amendment in current times.
you can twist it any way you wish; but that was my point.