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Impeachment call spreads to local and state legislatures
Vermont to vote on arresting Bush and Cheney
"Bush and Cheney: arrested for gross violations of international and U.S. law!" A new proposal in the township of Brattleboro, Vermont -- authorizing local law enforcement to arrest Bush and Cheney -- would make this headline a reality, should either of them step inside the town's jurisdiction. The Brattleboro proposal is to be voted on in the coming weeks at a town hall meeting. The proposal is up for discussion thanks to the hard work of community activists, who petitioned citywide to have the motion put to a vote. Fearful of the indictment, Bush and Cheney are mounting a counteroffensive. But in town after town in Vermont, the people have voted to support impeachment recognizing that Bush and Cheney have committed high crimes and misdemeanors.
The Brattleboro indictment of Bush and Cheney is reflective of the tide of opposition to the current administration. The people of this country are refusing to let Bush leave office without facing charges for his criminal deeds. Just yesterday, the New Hampshire State House held an impeachment hearing, which was flooded by activists and community members insisting that the state legislature take action. Hollywood actor Ed Asner wrote a letter for the hearing expressing his support for the resolution, which indicts Bush for "invading Iraq without just cause or provocation."
We are keeping the pressure on and "impeachment" has become a household word. We are mobilizing the impeachment movement for the anti-war actions on the 5th anniversary of the war. We are lobbying Congress. We are taking out impeachment advertisements. We are telling the courageous people of Brattleboro that they speak for millions more. We are telling the New Hampshire activists who filled the State House yesterday that people from the other 49 states stand with them.
We can seize upon this historic momentum only with your help. Please take a momentum to click on this link and make a donation for impeachment.
Go to http://www.impeachbush.org
Vermont to vote on arresting Bush and Cheney
"Bush and Cheney: arrested for gross violations of international and U.S. law!" A new proposal in the township of Brattleboro, Vermont -- authorizing local law enforcement to arrest Bush and Cheney -- would make this headline a reality, should either of them step inside the town's jurisdiction. The Brattleboro proposal is to be voted on in the coming weeks at a town hall meeting. The proposal is up for discussion thanks to the hard work of community activists, who petitioned citywide to have the motion put to a vote. Fearful of the indictment, Bush and Cheney are mounting a counteroffensive. But in town after town in Vermont, the people have voted to support impeachment recognizing that Bush and Cheney have committed high crimes and misdemeanors.
The Brattleboro indictment of Bush and Cheney is reflective of the tide of opposition to the current administration. The people of this country are refusing to let Bush leave office without facing charges for his criminal deeds. Just yesterday, the New Hampshire State House held an impeachment hearing, which was flooded by activists and community members insisting that the state legislature take action. Hollywood actor Ed Asner wrote a letter for the hearing expressing his support for the resolution, which indicts Bush for "invading Iraq without just cause or provocation."
We are keeping the pressure on and "impeachment" has become a household word. We are mobilizing the impeachment movement for the anti-war actions on the 5th anniversary of the war. We are lobbying Congress. We are taking out impeachment advertisements. We are telling the courageous people of Brattleboro that they speak for millions more. We are telling the New Hampshire activists who filled the State House yesterday that people from the other 49 states stand with them.
We can seize upon this historic momentum only with your help. Please take a momentum to click on this link and make a donation for impeachment.
Go to http://www.impeachbush.org
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I think it's fucking stupid.
That is all.
for the least they could possibly do
sigh.
I'm all for disagreeing with the administration. I just lose interest when people are insane about it.
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Why is it insane to you?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Because they want to arrest the president if he sets foot in their town. I mean, can you imagine some Barney Fife slapping the cuffs on GW and tossing him in the clink next to the town drunk?
Gimme a break.
Also, and this might be a minor point, it doesn't appear the president actually, you know, broke any laws.
Shit like this is what makes the far left look like a bunch of kooks, and undermines any kind of valid points they might have.
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I actually can imagine a person being held accountable for the wrongs they have committed. Why should the prez be any different?
Whether or not he broke laws is debatable.
Why call people crazy for wanting to step out of the mold and hold someone accountable? I don't understand why it's a crazy idea, especially if laws were proven to be broken. I think it's crazy to say say 'ah fuck it, that's too much trouble' and let corrupt politicians continue to avoid accountabilty because of a placid and apathetic citizenry ,who call those stand up and work towards justice, kooks. You have given no reason why it's a crazy idea, just pointed out that it's out of the ordinary. And with all that we let politicians get away with these days without the slightest protest from most...out of the ordinary would be a welcome change.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Protest, if you want. But this just smacks off all kinds of goofiness. If for no other reason that it's completely unenforceable.
for the least they could possibly do
It's not about being against this war or war in general. If it was proven he broke laws, I see nothing silly or goofy about holding him accountable for them especially considering the amount of life lost. It's not like we're talking about a trafffic ticket here and certainly not a blow job....it's hundreds of thousands of people's lives. So call me kooky but it matters to me and I find it very hard to ignore. You can say it's goofy til the cows come home but 'unenforcebale' really doesn't cut it. A president or anyone else can't be allowed to do whatever he wishes. It's up to us to hold standards. Those in power are going to do anything they think they can get by with. So why keep letting them get by and act as if we are powerless to enforce the law upon them?
And for the record, having an opinion different from yours, even if it's vastly different, doesn't equate it with being crazy. Crazy would mean having no basis or based on false perceptions which isn't the case here. Short of that, it's just petty insults in an effort to take validity from an opposing opinion.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
IMO, only because he's never been tried. This guy (Rep. John Conyers) compiled 26 laws that the Bush administration has broken...up to 2006.
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/63/21612
Good for Brattleboro for speaking up.
Exactly.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think you're missing my point.
I agree with you. If it is proven that Bush broke the law, he should be prosecuted. That's pretty hard to prove, especially when he conducted his war with the full support of a democratically elected congress. But, here's another point, as far as I know he didn't break the law in Brattlesboro, VT. I'm pretty sure he's never even been there. So I'm pretty sure this is all outside of their jurisdiction. You can't just make up a law that somebody can be arrested for stepping foot in a town's city limits, if he's never committed a crime there and isn't wanted for any crime anywhere else.
It's not a matter of a difference of opinion. It's a matter of a town making up laws that are unenforceable and, frankly, probably unconstitutional. So far, no warrant has been issued for the President's arrest ... so who the fuck is Brattlesboro, VT to decide he should be arrested? Can other towns do this? I think Eli Manning should be arrested if he ever comes to my town ... let's get working on that legislation.
This is just a symbolic act of protest ... with no teeth ... which makes it fuckin' goofy, a waste of time and a waste of taxpayer money. All it does is allow most moderate-thinking people to dismiss these left-wing anti-war folks as a bunch of hippie nutjobs. The President could fly to Brattlesboro right now and hold a press conference on main street, and they couldn't do a damn thing about it. Because he hasn't been formally accused of any crime.
for the least they could possibly do
again, you can speak up without being fuckin' goofy about it.
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i hardly doubt he'd be 'thrown in w/ the town drunk' and i'm pretty sure you know that, too.
he has broken laws as well as treaties (like the nuclear non proliferation treaty and icbm treaty to name 2....) as well as what is brought up in this article
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/
laws
President cites powers of his office
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | April 30, 2006
WASHINGTON -- President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.
Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ''whistle-blower" protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.
Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush's assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government. The Constitution is clear in assigning to Congress the power to write the laws and to the president a duty ''to take care that the laws be faithfully executed." Bush, however, has repeatedly declared that he does not need to ''execute" a law he believes is unconstitutional.
Former administration officials contend that just because Bush reserves the right to disobey a law does not mean he is not enforcing it: In many cases, he is simply asserting his belief that a certain requirement encroaches on presidential power.
But with the disclosure of Bush's domestic spying program, in which he ignored a law requiring warrants to tap the phones of Americans, many legal specialists say Bush is hardly reluctant to bypass laws he believes he has the constitutional authority to override.
Examples of the president's signing statements
GLOBE GRAPHIC: Number of new statutes challenged
Far more than any predecessor, Bush has been aggressive about declaring his right to ignore vast swaths of laws -- many of which he says infringe on power he believes the Constitution assigns to him alone as the head of the executive branch or the commander in chief of the military.
Many legal scholars say they believe that Bush's theory about his own powers goes too far and that he is seizing for himself some of the law-making role of Congress and the Constitution-interpreting role of the courts.
Phillip Cooper, a Portland State University law professor who has studied the executive power claims Bush made during his first term, said Bush and his legal team have spent the past five years quietly working to concentrate ever more governmental power into the White House.
''There is no question that this administration has been involved in a very carefully thought-out, systematic process of expanding presidential power at the expense of the other branches of government," Cooper said. ''This is really big, very expansive, and very significant."
For the first five years of Bush's presidency, his legal claims attracted little attention in Congress or the media. Then, twice in recent months, Bush drew scrutiny after challenging new laws: a torture ban and a requirement that he give detailed reports to Congress about how he is using the Patriot Act.Continued...
a few pages more, worth the read...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
OK, but I fail to see how the powers-that-be in Brattlesboro, VT are given the authority to round up this irascible scofflaw. Hey, Roger Clemens might have lied under oath. Why don't we send the Brattlesboro sheriff after him, too? Why don't we have them pass laws threatening to arrest anyone we suspect might have broken laws? Why stop at Georgie?
Let's go Brattlesboro, get with the program. There are plenty of probable criminals out there.
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I might have missed your point because up until now you have spent most of your time calling people stupid or crazy.
And here I thought conservatives were all about supporting smaller, local govts power to pass laws based on the concerns of it's own citizens. Who the fuck is Brattleboro, VT? They are people who have decided they want justice and accountabilty and if no one else is going to step up, why not them? How dare they not follow suit like good little ants!? If Eli Manning did something that was in violation of the law and you got enough support why shouldn't you be able to hold him accountable? You act as if people should have no power and we shouldn't bother setting the standard that our laws should be followed. Who is Bush that the laws don't apply? Just because the rest of the country hasn't held him accountable for breaking the law does not mean that this town can't make an effort to do so. And even if it accomplishes nothing more than to send a message, I think it's a needed one and very much worth it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
as far as i know no one has been killed, maimed, sent to a war for selfish purposes, been mistakenly tortured and/ just tossed in prison and left to wait for them to catch their mistake for several months b/c of roger clemens might have used to steroids and lied about it...i'm also pretty sure b/c of him possibly doing this it didn't make the record surplus turn into a record defecit...also, roger broke no international treaty as far as i'm aware of unless you consider maybe an olympic thing....
in other words; it's not even comparable
you can't compare doping to mass murder, violations of treaties and robbing our treasury
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
How would you like them to speak up? Post on brattleboro.com "we the people of Battleboro think GWB is a criminal...so there"?
The indictment would be symbolic...we're proof that it's got people talking about the crimes committed, so it's doing what they intended. If this kind of thing picked up enough steam, spread into more states, there would be pressure to actually DO something about the crimes committed....and would eventually begin to restrict their travel options within their own country.
They run around naked, seriously, they allow public nudity.
I've driven there once for a job interview. The Connecticut River is a nice view.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
So nudity= Can't be taken seriously.
So when your girlfriend walks around the house nude, anything she says in the state of being nude; can automatically be dismissed and ignored because she's ......nude?
Does being formely addicted to Cocaine and alcohol, also equal can't be taken seriously?
Haha, well said.
Something no one has responded to yet is why Brattleboro on it's own, without Bush having committed a crime in their jurisdiction, could charge and arrest him. I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that he can be charged with war crimes/crimes against humanity by any entity. There was a European country a year or two ago, and the details are escaping me, that was debating the same thing. In the end I don't believe they did anything. But beyond symbolism it sends a very real message to the administration that their actions have repercussions, if only by barring them from travel in a certain area.
"Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me, you." -Deep Toughts, Jack Handy
damn hippies!
nice town. i've stopped thru there once to pick up some fertilizer - true story.
it'd be awesome if Bush and Cheney were arrested by nude police.
-Big Fish
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009