Conspiracy theories

gue_barium

The inherent problem of conspiracy theories is that they gain momentum and tend to use their momentum to gain more than their good intentions aimed for.
To say "the governement" was involved, is so lame and really isn't the aim of a good reseacher who studies the facts and weighs the evidence. Some questions are bound to arise in a case such as 9/11, yet, still, you're, AT BEST, talking about a few shadowy people in government, not the entire US government itself.

Discuss.

ThumbingMyWay32

gue_barium wrote:

The inherent problem of conspiracy theories is that they gain momentum and tend to use their momentum to gain more than their good intentions aimed for.
To say "the governement" was involved, is so lame and really isn't the aim of a good reseacher who studies the facts and weighs the evidence. Some questions are bound to arise in a case such as 9/11, yet, still, you're, AT BEST, talking about a few shadowy people in government, not the entire US government itself.

Discuss.

You don't believe in conspiracy theories??

Odd. But, to stay on topic, UFO have been nothing more than experimental aircraft.

Ahnimus

The fundamental problem with all of this, is drawing any conclusions on limited or no facts. That applies to both trains of thought. The advantage of conspiracy theories, is that they are theories, they challenge the social prejudice underlying common understanding and motivates people to scrutinize. Culture births percepts that aren't properly formulated, typically the most self-gratifying. This can be exploited by people interested in cultural perception. Election ad campaigns are an example in action. Marketing strategies are ripe with sociocultural exploitation. Fads, myths, gossip and prejudices are all part of this interplay between complex mechanics.

I have a real problem with cultural norms, perhaps the concept of culture in general. It breeds prejudices. I was listening to Alex Jones one night and he said that cancer was caused by viruses and vaccinations, I also read a news article that read "HPV linked to Ovarian Cancer", HPV is an STD, a Virus. Well it turns out through further discovery that cancer is caused by multiple gene mutations. HPV may attribute to one gene mutation in a series of mutations that cause cancer, but it is not the only cause. The whole concept was simplified for the general population and distorted to sound like a simple fix. In this case abstinence or contraception. I would infer from this that a bias was applied to the actual causality, which is quite common concerning belief systems. Scientists of all studies encourage and practice scrutiny when reading scientific studies, journals or news publications. It's important for them to determine if the study proves what is said to be proven by the author. This is an important practice that eliminates any doubt and reveals the true causality. It's something that isn't practiced by cultural groups.

Just as a further example, organized religion is the best. In organized religions there is a common belief system which individuals do not challenge in fear of social rejection. The same thing happens in culture on a different scale.

We need conspiracy theories because conspiracies do happen. It's actually patriotic to challenge the government. It's the fundamental basis of democracy. An example of an undeniably true governmental conspiracy, Nazi Germany and all that took was a few rotten men.

gue_barium

Nice post Ahnimus.

Mostly bow down to the first part.

IWillLiveForeve

Ahnimus wrote:

The fundamental problem with all of this, is drawing any conclusions on limited or no facts. That applies to both trains of thought. The advantage of conspiracy theories, is that they are theories, they challenge the social prejudice underlying common understanding and motivates people to scrutinize. Culture births percepts that aren't properly formulated, typically the most self-gratifying. This can be exploited by people interested in cultural perception. Election ad campaigns are an example in action. Marketing strategies are ripe with sociocultural exploitation. Fads, myths, gossip and prejudices are all part of this interplay between complex mechanics.

I have a real problem with cultural norms, perhaps the concept of culture in general. It breeds prejudices. I was listening to Alex Jones one night and he said that cancer was caused by viruses and vaccinations, I also read a news article that read "HPV linked to Ovarian Cancer", HPV is an STD, a Virus. Well it turns out through further discovery that cancer is caused by multiple gene mutations. HPV may attribute to one gene mutation in a series of mutations that cause cancer, but it is not the only cause. The whole concept was simplified for the general population and distorted to sound like a simple fix. In this case abstinence or contraception. I would infer from this that a bias was applied to the actual causality, which is quite common concerning belief systems. Scientists of all studies encourage and practice scrutiny when reading scientific studies, journals or news publications. It's important for them to determine if the study proves what is said to be proven by the author. This is an important practice that eliminates any doubt and reveals the true causality. It's something that isn't practiced by cultural groups.

Just as a further example, organized religion is the best. In organized religions there is a common belief system which individuals do not challenge in fear of social rejection. The same thing happens in culture on a different scale.

We need conspiracy theories because conspiracies do happen. It's actually patriotic to challenge the government. It's the fundamental basis of democracy. An example of an undeniably true governmental conspiracy, Nazi Germany and all that took was a few rotten men.

you are way too sober for this time of night. I got lost on the second paragraph. Hold on, this just in: I might be too fucked up.

gue_barium

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

you are way too sober for this time of night. I got lost on the second paragraph. Hold on, this just in: I might be too fucked up.

Me, too.

Kinda disconnected, intelligent...

IWillLiveForeve

gue_barium wrote:

Me, too.

Kinda disconnected, intelligent...

We think we're intelligent. Did I mention that I think I may have actually figured out the solution to world peace last time I was stoned? Sadly, I traded the paper that the solution was on for a burrito and a box of Ding Dongs. True story.

gue_barium

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

We think we're intelligent. Did I mention that I think I may have actually figured out the solution to world peace last time I was stoned? Sadly, I traded the paper that the solution was on for a burrito and a box of Ding Dongs. True story.

I appreciate your humor, I do, I share it. I'm not so convinced with the belief, as you are, to an explosive end.
I mean, Fear isn't the end all an be all.

I think it is for you.

IWillLiveForeve

gue_barium wrote:

I appreciate your humor, I do, I share it. I'm not so convinced with the belief, as you are, to an explosive end.
I mean, Fear isn't the end all an be all.

I think it is for you.

Why did you have to go serious/intellectual? I was ready for a discussion of the merits of Ding Dong vs. Ho-Hos. You continue to disappoint me, young Skyywalker.

gue_barium

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

Why did you have to go serious/intellectual? I was ready for a discussion of the merits of Ding Dong vs. Ho-Hos. You continue to disappoint me, young Skyywalker.

I am your father.

IWillLiveForeve

gue_barium wrote:

I am your father.

Fuck that shit. I am Yoda. Fucking Y-O-D-fucking-A. YODA, bitch!!!

IWillLiveForeve

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

Fuck that shit. I am Yoda. Fucking Y-O-D-fucking-A. YODA, bitch!!!

Just so this is clear, I am fucking 800 years old. I know everything. That Obi-Wan "these aren't the droids you're looking for" line? Yeah, I taught him that shit. Motherfucker never gave me credit. Frankly, I think he got what he deserved when Darth took him out. I mean, Karma and all. Oh, and the Forcel

gue_barium

you all are too sophisticated to slip a post like this past.

IWillLiveForeve

gue_barium wrote:

you all are too sophisticated to slip a post like this past.

Did you mean 'let a post like this pass'? Wow.

gue_barium

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

Did you mean 'let a post like this pass'? Wow.

alright, fucker.

a song is needed here:
YOU LIGHT UP MY LIFE (Debbie Boone)

So many nights I sit by my window
Waiting for someone to sing me his song
So many dreams I kept deep inside me
Alone in the dark but now
You've come along

You light up my life
You give me hope
To carry on
You light up my days
and fill my nights with song

Rollin' at sea, adrift on the water
Could it be finally I'm turning for home?
Finally, a chance to say hey,
I love You
Never again to be all alone

You light up my life
You give me hope
To carry on
You light up my days
and fill my nights with song

You light up my life
You give me hope
To carry on
You light up my days
and fill my nights with song

It can't be wrong
When it feels so right
'Cause You
You light up my life


There is only one happiness in life: to love and be loved.

Byrnzie

gue_barium wrote:

The inherent problem of conspiracy theories is that they gain momentum and tend to use their momentum to gain more than their good intentions aimed for.
To say "the governement" was involved, is so lame and really isn't the aim of a good reseacher who studies the facts and weighs the evidence. Some questions are bound to arise in a case such as 9/11, yet, still, you're, AT BEST, talking about a few shadowy people in government, not the entire US government itself.

Discuss.

It's all relative. What if one of these 'shadowy people' turned out to be Bush, or Cheney? I can't see how, when you look at the basic facts of 9/11, it's possible to say that the top echelons of the Bush administration didn't know that 9/11 was going to happen. They had been presented with full details of names and activities of the hijackers. They knew what was planned and they allowed the attacks to go ahead.
Why were the fighter jets ordered to stand down on 9/11 until it was too late? These same planes had been scambled a total of 79 times in the same year due to domestic aircraft losing radar contact. It's standard procedure. On 9/11 they stayed on the ground until it was too late - 2 hours later. Explain that.
Also, why did World trade center 7 collapse into the ground straight as a chimney stack?

Byrnzie

IWillLiveForeve wrote:

Fuck that shit. I am Yoda. Fucking Y-O-D-fucking-A. YODA, bitch!!!

I love this line of Yoda's as I've found that it has helped me often in the bedroom...

“Size matters not, ... Look at me. Judge me by size, do you?”
Yoda

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

The fundamental problem with all of this, is drawing any conclusions on limited or no facts. That applies to both trains of thought. The advantage of conspiracy theories, is that they are theories, they challenge the social prejudice underlying common understanding and motivates people to scrutinize. Culture births percepts that aren't properly formulated, typically the most self-gratifying. This can be exploited by people interested in cultural perception. Election ad campaigns are an example in action. Marketing strategies are ripe with sociocultural exploitation. Fads, myths, gossip and prejudices are all part of this interplay between complex mechanics.

Nice, Ahnimus.

I have a real problem with cultural norms, perhaps the concept of culture in general. It breeds prejudices.

There is fallout from norms, for sure. We socially ostracize the non-norm, and create our own fallout.

The whole concept was simplified for the general population and distorted to sound like a simple fix.

It's amazing how people take the public word for the truth. I think you are right on: the official "truths" are often distorted for mass comsumption.

Scientists of all studies encourage and practice scrutiny when reading scientific studies, journals or news publications. It's important for them to determine if the study proves what is said to be proven by the author. This is an important practice that eliminates any doubt and reveals the true causality. It's something that isn't practiced by cultural groups.

I agree about science and that efforts are taken to scrutinize information. It's important that scrutiny is maintained, and discernment is key here. Unfortunately, a lot of science is funded by people with agendas. It's always possible that scientists can distort their findings by bias or agenda, even when it is their intent not to, so it's a good idea to realize pure scientific processes are being used through fallible humans.

I am concerned about what I've read regarding avian flu vaccines that are being developed: the science and studies supporting such vaccines are inconclusive in crucial ways. The science seems responsible in recognizing what is NOT known. And yet the public relations for the companies who support this science are misrepresenting their own company's science, in order to gain public alignment. Two different agencies coming out of the pharmaceutical company are saying diametrically opposed things, and therefore the intent of the science is being distorted for public consumption. Apparently this is common practise in business--the PR that gets to the public has very different purposes of persuasion that science does not.

Just as a further example, organized religion is the best. In organized religions there is a common belief system which individuals do not challenge in fear of social rejection. The same thing happens in culture on a different scale.

Even I agree it's deplorable to close such systems from within, and to discourage open personal discovery by insidious means. This is like people who distort science's purposes. The truths become distorted which is different than meaning the kernals of truth are wrong to begin with.

We need conspiracy theories because conspiracies do happen. It's actually patriotic to challenge the government. It's the fundamental basis of democracy. An example of an undeniably true governmental conspiracy, Nazi Germany and all that took was a few rotten men.

Bravo, Ahnimus. Very good post!