90 days to sound off on FDA cloning decision
gue_barium
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Hippiemom nailed it:
There aren't a lot of independent cattle ranchers left, most are working for some huge corporation. You've seen what's happened with genetically modified plants ... corporations patent the genetic design and make it illegal for farmers to harvest their own seeds, or they modify the plants so they don't produce seeds at all. This forces the farmer to buy seeds from Monsanto or whichever other company every year. The corporations will make it economically attractive for the ranchers to initially start using cloned animals, just as they did with the seeds. The corporation will own the patent on the genetic design of those animals. It will be illegal to breed them, and when the technology is available, the clones will be sterile, forcing the ranchers to purchase animals every year, as they now have to do with seeds. Thus Monsanto, ConAgra, et al. will control our food supply.
That's scary enough, and I haven't even touched yet on the potential ramifications on the public health. I've read enough about how the FDA works to know I don't trust them as far as I could throw my car. They will not protect the public, we are going to have to make some noise about this.
Let's sound off on this!
There aren't a lot of independent cattle ranchers left, most are working for some huge corporation. You've seen what's happened with genetically modified plants ... corporations patent the genetic design and make it illegal for farmers to harvest their own seeds, or they modify the plants so they don't produce seeds at all. This forces the farmer to buy seeds from Monsanto or whichever other company every year. The corporations will make it economically attractive for the ranchers to initially start using cloned animals, just as they did with the seeds. The corporation will own the patent on the genetic design of those animals. It will be illegal to breed them, and when the technology is available, the clones will be sterile, forcing the ranchers to purchase animals every year, as they now have to do with seeds. Thus Monsanto, ConAgra, et al. will control our food supply.
That's scary enough, and I haven't even touched yet on the potential ramifications on the public health. I've read enough about how the FDA works to know I don't trust them as far as I could throw my car. They will not protect the public, we are going to have to make some noise about this.
Let's sound off on this!
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unless the gov't wants to slide me a clone of Carmen Electra...then, I'd look the other way on this whole animal issue
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Cloning threads is just plain wrong.....you're playing God.
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Yeah she did nail it. I had no idea and will spend a little time reading up on it...Grazie.
it is really another step in the gradual process of moving the power from the people to the corporations.
With corporations in control, it puts decision making behind closed doors, with no public voice. Its the greatest flaw/ workaround of democracy.
the worst part is that people think you're scare mongering when you say stuff like this.
the question is, what can we do?
I know a lot of people think you're some sort of crazed conspiracy theorist when you say this stuff, but I work in intellectual property law. I read the journals, I'm surrounded by the lawyers every day. I can assure you that my opinion does not come only from some website, and I am not nuts. This is absolutely the long-term thinking of the people developing this technology.
Already I've had people tell me "oh, that's silly, it's too expensive to produce enough clones to fill the grocery stores." Of course it is ... today! Monsanto isn't thinking about today, they're thinking 10 or 20 years down the road. Ten years ago, the computer I'm typing this on wasn't possible. Imagine, in 1997 having a PC with almost 400 gigs of available memory! Unthinkable! This technology is advancing rapidly.
I don't eat meat myself, and I eat very few dairy products, so this is not something that will affect me personally, but I realize that most Americans do consume these products. This is a very bad thing they're trying to do, and we simply can't allow it.
The up-side is that there is a vast array of groups opposed ... the environmentalists, the animal rights folks, religious people, anyone who's uncomfortable with frankenfood, and even much of the food industry, who are justifiably concerned that they'll be unable to market their products overseas if there is a perception that American food is unsafe. We actually have a chance to win this one.
i do believe it is illegal to patent any piece of genetic material. Just like scientists cannot patent the genes they discover...why? because we all have them. you cannot OWN a DNA sequence.
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i didnt know. i guess GMO's are not treated the same as genes. they should be though...im gonna need to read up on this now!
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Look at some of the stuff they've tried already ... the pigs the the omega-3 fatty acids. Just imagine the ad campaign! So many people are eating more fish because of omega-3s, so now the pork producers want to be able to say "hey, you can have your pork chops and your omega-3s too!" If and when it does occur, be assured that someone will own a patent on those omega-3 pigs.
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im all for GMOs....something like the omega-3s is a good thing...and frankly...in our country...we need to find a different approach to the health issues facing us (since getting people to exercise doesnt seem to work...lol). but i do think there needs to be a law passed protecting GMOs and their creators from monopolizing the industry. but it really wouldnt ever work would it? why would the farmers agree to BUY non-breeding pigs? that is not economically sound. ya know?
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Exactly.
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The thing that concerns me is this ... they bred pigs with omega-3s, but the piglets had something like a 50% premature fatality rate. No one knows why. But yet, they say that genetically engineered food is safe for me and my kids to eat. I know I am only a layman, but can you tell me how they reached the conclusion that the meat is safe, if they can't even tell me why half of the animals the meat came from died prematurely? This makes no sense to me.
well thank you for that. I will do my best to answer any questions or voice my concerns on such issues...however everytime i come into AMT i get a new Ahole ripped for my opinions...and while those tend to be political...everything is ultimately ruled by politics...and i just dont really want to get caught in the middle of a no-win situation about politics. it does nothing but piss me off. lol!
ok i have not read up on the studies done on the health of the animals bred for omega3s...so i will try to look up some info on that later to give a better response. BUT IMO GMO's are perfectly safe to consume. This is because all that is different between them and us is the sequence of their DNA (and even that is remarkably similar). This sequence im refering to is that of the nucleotide bases that make up DNA....A, G, C, T....This code is universal across all species. It is only the order of these bases that determines what gene it encodes...or how it is regulated. Genes encode proteins. proteins are made up of amino acids (each 3 nucleotide DNA bases...AGT for example...encodes 1 amino acid...and this is the universal code for all organisms). Some organisms have proteins that others dont. For example, we have different amino acids that we must obtain thru our food since our bodies cannot create them on its own. We eat meat or dairy or some grains to obtain these amino acids. (Cats on the other hand have the ability to biochemically modify some amino acid to another one, whereas we dont have this ability-just an example). Everything we eat is essentially a living organism (or once was living) that is made up of proteins. Your body is made up of proteins...thus when things like cells die and need to create more cells...you need lots of extra amino acids to make those proteins. I digress...What happens when you eat a piece of meat for example is that your body makes enzymes that naturally break down these proteins into strings of amino acids called polypeptides which can then be broken down into its simpliest form...a single amino acid. This works the same for eating a complex carbohybrate like pasta....your bodies natural digestion system breaks that complex carb into simple carbs into simple sugars like glucose and fructose. It is these simpliest forms that our body can use (glucose is required to make ATP as our energy source, and amino acids are required to build new proteins for our body to use). Therefore, a GMO may have an ADDED gene sequence or a MODIFIED gene sequence....however, since the genetic code is universal...our bodies will still break down the proteins made by those added or modified genes into the same amino acids. The added gene does not get transferred to your genome because you consume the GMO product like omega3pork as a complex protein which must get broken down into the basic universal code by our digestion. You are not ingesting raw strands of DNA, you are ingesting the product of it. Think of DNA as the instructions to make the important stuff.
does that make any sense? if im being too complicated or too basic...you will need to let me know since i dont know how much you know. But i hope that helps a little.
i must get to bed now but ill hopefully check back tomorrow evening.
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