Is Philosophy Dangerous?

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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

    So, in a nutshell, new philosophy isn't dangerous to anyone but those in control. It's the necessity of those in control, to stay in control, by telling you that new ideas are harmful to the wellbeing of all.




    exactly.
    good ole chicken little and 'the sky is falling' mentality at work.


    so yes, overall...i think philosophy is a necessity to true civilized living. dangerous or not...it is truly needed, otherwise imho society will simply atrophy. personally, i adore philosophy, probably one of my most fave classes in college, ever....the course you never knew you needed until you took it and realized....whoa! to think about thinking......;)
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    angelica wrote:
    I'm not sure a lack of unifying theory is a problem. I personally see that as a benefit, as there are vast levels of human experiences and contexts within which to understand them. There are some universal concepts, however, such as the unconscious/conscious, etc., that it seems are accepted across the board.

    You're right. In a field like psychology, a unifying theory would be perhaps too rigid for it to be of any use due to the subjectivity. And that was probably why I had a hard time 'wrapping by brain' around it.
    angelica wrote:
    Psychology is a field that attempts to objectively look at subjective experience. It uses scientific methods, and yet is widely known as a soft science. It is necessary that it relies much on interpretation/hermeneutics with flexibility enabling understanding many contexts, and all kind of experiences without "objectifying" or dehumanizing them. That can be looked at as a problem, however, unlike hard science in general, this field understands the concept of the effect of the psyche of the observer affecting the outcome of what is observed. Also, empathic and emotional connections with the observer are necessary, unlike in hard sciences. Therefore in such contexts the interpretive aspects which might be seen as a flaw are also clearly a benefit. Psychology grasps being aware of the vast diversity of subjectivity and it's interaction with objectivity. The value is in the context, and the inconsistent conclusions can be quite consistent within various models and approaches by specific observers. I think the bottom line is that within psychology, imo, it's generally known that it's truths are not absolute.


    I realize, as well, "psychology" is a big umbrella term referring to many different things. There are many subfields. They have a distinction between research psychology, which includes fields like social, cognitive, biological, and abnormal psychology, and applied psychology including things like clinical and educational psych. And in certain aspects of psychology, such as mental health and illness, the terms meanings vary from one culture to the next, etc.
    angelica wrote:
    It's interesting that Jung's and Freud's interpretations speak to the men themselves, and their own lives and experiences and awareness.

    I once read that the penis envy thing with Freud came in an era where women were repressed under patriarchy and the dominant "male" schools of thought. And by such schools of thought, more typical female styles of processing information were not understood or valued. The female perspective came up "lacking". Women's dissatisfaction with life could not be understood, because the male view lacked understanding of more female "spatial" thought, as opposed to linear and typically "male thought". And given such context, Freud thereby interpreted that women feel sad and unfulfilled because they don't have penises..... :rolleyes: .....

    Ha ha, yeah, Freud always seemed a bit hokey to me. ;) I have also thought that there is a big philosophical foundation for some of the theories, like some of things Jung came up with - synchronicity, archetypes, the collective unconscious, etc. But Jung, I can somewhat dig. :D
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    This is why there's no point carrying on with this avenue of discussion, because obviously no-one else has read any psychoanalytic feminism.

    Well then, school us, Fins. ;)
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  • genie
    genie Posts: 2,222
    gue_barium wrote:
    Lots of things are dangerous, but not necessarily fearful. Driving to work, for instance.

    ok. philosophy may become dangerous. depends on what it is and what kind of individual is reading it
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    genie wrote:
    ok. philosophy may become dangerous. depends on what it is and what kind of individual is reading it

    Anything is dangerous in the "wrong" hands. :)
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    baraka wrote:
    Well then, school us, Fins. ;)

    My arse. You're not paying me. Besides, I'm drinking beer and watching some titties on the telly. :D
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    My arse. You're not paying me. Besides, I'm drinking beer and watching some titties on the telly. :D

    Ha ha, well the last thing I want to do is cut into your 'manly' downtime .;) 'Titties on the telly', eh? Sounds Freudian............
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    baraka wrote:
    ... 'Titties on the telly', eh? Sounds Freudian............

    :D hehehehehe!! very clever barak! ;)
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  • baraka
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    Jeanie wrote:
    :D hehehehehe!! very clever barak! ;)

    :D
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  • catefrances
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    gue_barium wrote:
    How about the framework of "self"?


    there is no self. what affects one, affects us all. we are all interdependent.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    baraka wrote:
    :D


    Don't you have tellies?
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Don't you have tellies?

    Of course
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Don't you have tellies?

    AND titties! :p
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Jeanie wrote:
    AND titties! :p


    But you don't get titties on the telly?
  • Trailer
    Trailer Posts: 1,431
    I love titties!! I could play with them all day, everyday for the rest of my life:D:D:D
    Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    But you don't get titties on the telly?

    I think she's more attuned to wanker on the web.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    catefrances wrote:
    there is no self. what affects one, affects us all. we are all interdependent.

    you may be onto something.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    Telly Savalas had titties?

    somebody had to make bald sexy I guess...
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    genie wrote:
    i agree, to be scared of philosophy is pathetic. Philosophy is a form of rebellion

    True. Camus said that the logical response to living in a meaningless world is to be in a state of constant rebellion.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    True. Camus said that the logical response to living in a meaningless world is to be in a state of constant rebellion.


    and i guess in doing so, give meaning to the only life you can control(maybe?) - your own. that is if you think life has meaning in the first place. or that it should.
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