For All the Obama Bashers here
Strangest Tribe
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you should read this before you start talking shit you don't know...
If you don't know what Obama plans to do or CHANGE....
read this.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
If you don't know what Obama plans to do or CHANGE....
read this.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
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or is that the wrong thing to do?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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perhaps you should use the search function. i know it's not your fault that you weren't here when they have been discussed but his foreign policy, health care and energy policies have all been broken down and discussed...well, mostly ignored, actually
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
yeah, it's wrong... go by the written word always
recent sound bites are simple pandering and sidestepping,, doin a little dance...shake-n-bake you know...
can't lose the Jewish vote
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/09/barackobama.uselections2008
Gary Younge The Guardian, Monday June 9 2008
The Brazilian president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, has a compelling personal and political biography. One of eight children, he could not read until he was 10, left school soon after and by the age of 12 was working as a shoeshine boy. Lula was instrumental in setting up his own leftwing political party, the Workers party, risked jail as a trade union organiser during the dictatorship and ran for president three times before he was finally successful in 2002, capturing the imagination and hopes of many Brazilians - albeit with a vastly watered-down programme.
Having finally won the presidency, a moment many of his supporters thought would never happen, he was then cruelly mugged. The invisible hand of the market grabbed him on his way to the inauguration and shook what was left of the socialism out of him. In the three months between his winning the vote and being sworn in, the nation's currency plummeted by 30%, $6bn in hot money had left the country, and some agencies had given Brazil the highest debt-risk ratings in the world.
"We are in government but not in power," said Lula's close aide, Dominican friar Frei Betto. "Power today is global power, the power of the big companies, the power of financial capital."
In any democracy the link between the electoral and the political is essential but not inextricable. Between the trappings of democracy and the trials of legislating, there is power. The balance, distribution and strategic exercise of it shapes the relationship between expectations and possibility, marking the distinction between being the will of the people and the work of government.
It is the very tension that lies at the heart of Barack Obama's candidacy and the energy it has unleashed. To attract 75,000 people to a rally, as he did in Portland, Oregon, recently, shows immense drawing power. The question is, what to do you say to them when they get there?
On the one hand, he has managed to articulate the aspirations of many people from whom we previously heard little, if anything, in American politics and mobilise them into a formidable voting bloc. On the other, the progressive forces that have gathered around him have now wedded themselves to a decidedly mainstream, tepid political agenda. Lula, at least, resisted the assaults on his base; Obama, at times, appears to embrace them.
That an Obama victory would mark a radical improvement on George Bush and be far preferable to John McCain, there can be no doubt. Electorally, that is important. But politically, it leaves open the question of whether he is prepared to adopt an ambitious programme that can address the mess he will inherit. Politically, this question could have been asked of any of his main Democratic rivals in the primaries, none of whom pursued radical agendas. But electorally, more has always been claimed of his candidacy and more has also been expected of it.
Let's start with the obvious. Electorally, Obama's nomination marks a truly exciting and historic moment in US history. In a nation that prides itself on relentless progress and social meritocracy, the symbolic importance of a black president can be over-exaggerated. But that does not mean it should be dismissed. He was born before he had the constitutional right to vote (secured by the 1965 Voting Rights Act), to mixed-race parents who did not have the constitutional right to marry (the supreme court only legalised miscegenation in 1967). His campaign represents a milestone in America's scarred racial landscape. Of the 10 blackest states, he won nine; of the 10 whitest, he won seven. He has broken a mould. And it can't be reset.
Moreover, his candidacy has sparked a realignment in the coalition of forces that comprise the Democratic party, by rousing dormant and ignored constituencies - notably the black and the young. The Democrats have consistently won the youth vote since 1992 but have failed to galvanise a sufficiently high turnout for it to be decisive. The black vote, on other hand, has long been both crucial and taken for granted. The party has only won the majority of the white vote in a presidential election once since the second world war. In the past, both groups were at best treated as junior partners and at worst simply forgotten.
Not any more. Obama's campaign helped raise the share of young people's (18-29) votes in the Democratic primary by more than 50% compared with 2004. Between them, the young vote and the black vote comprised 28.8% of the Democratic primary electorate in 2004. This year it was 35.1%. Their swelling numbers and contagious enthusiasm will give them considerable leverage within the party.
If - a big if - he can maintain the rest of the Democratic base, this could bring into play states like Virginia and North Carolina, which the Democrats have not won since 1964 and 1976 respectively. His candidacy could set an earthquake under the established electoral map.
He has also transformed the model for funding, creating a broad popular base of small donors. Unprecedented numbers of people have invested in him. The question is whether they will see a return.
The earliest signs have not been promising. The day after he clinched the nomination, he went with Hillary Clinton and McCain to genuflect before the pro-Israeli lobby to declare himself a "true friend of Israel". But good friends sometimes tell each other things they need to hear, even if they don't want to. America's uncritical support for these past eight years has been deeply unhealthy and has been neither in the interests of America or the Middle East. Correcting it is central to the US improving its dire standing in the Arab world and gaining international credibility in general - two things his supporters crave. Instead he pandered, stating that "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided", and promising not to withdraw from Iraq until the conditions on the ground were right.
Meanwhile, the economy continues its precipitous decline. Unemployment is increasing, the dollar is slumping and inflation remains high. House prices are nosediving and fuel prices are skyrocketing. Each month more and more Americans find themselves at the precipice. One in 11 mortgages are either in arrears or foreclosure. More than one in six homeowners has negative equity or no equity in their house. By June, claims Moodys, that will rise to one in four.
Yet Obama refuses to call for a moratorium, an interest rate freeze or substantial government spending, preferring instead a tax credit for homeowners that would amount to little more than about $500, beyond which only some borrowers could get more help. Over-represented among these sub-prime borrowers are the very African Americans who have propelled him to victory.
The great thing about Obama's candidacy is that he has raised expectations about what America can be and do in a way that nobody else has or could in recent memory. Whether they develop into pressure or descend into cynicism is an open question. Will he be a vehicle for their hopes, or will they be a vehicle for his political ambition? The two are not mutually exclusive. But their connection is far from assured.'
so how did that shake out???
still waiting on that Nader plan huh???
where is it??? or is it just more of the same made-up shit like we all "heard" about in 2000?
can you tell me how the Nader health care plan works??? lay it out step by step.
sigh, i don't feel like searching the pit, you can do a search yourself, i think it was in abookamongstthemany's thread 'on the issues' on the last page or page before the last....
but here's a link to my blog which has the same information i put in that post comparing obama's plan w/ kucinich's and nader's
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=3927316&blogID=382794961
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
oh yeah, Abook doesn't have any credible arguments either...she's got the Rhino that comes around to double team in an argument... kinda weird unsettling shit to me...
That said, I'm not convinced, nor should any rational thinking person be.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I guess integrity is still highly over rated. Such a two sided person would ALWAYS put the people first.
yeah... I bet.
suure...
mmm... plate of hay...yummy!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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yeah you're right, a rational thinking person would totally jump ship from this after hearing a sound bite that really didn't say anything.
Yeah a rational thinking person would totally quit their candidate after hearing the candidate sorta kinda might have to be "neutral" on this subject.
what the fuck was I thinking...there I go being all irrational again...
Oh you mean like how all the congressional candidate's sites in 06 had plans for the Dems to get us out of Iraq once they gained majority.....
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
RU kidding me?
said nothing eh? Yeah right! Love is so blind.
planet earth to strangest tribe....hello?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=1638&updaterx=2008-06-07+03%3A06%3A22
sure thing...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286746
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=283448
http://beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=5413#more
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
OMG please stop it with this source.... it has all the credibility of a group of transsexuals at ladies night
It's certainly no Skeleton's Closet, now is it?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Oh, so they faked all the Obama footage you never bothered to watch?
Incredible CGI....
eyes open...not closed..it helps.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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None of you should have expected Obama to actually be leftist.
The biggest problem with America is their over-emphasis on foreign policy to begin with.
Any Left wing thinker would oppose the war in iraq or potential war with Iran.
Rational Conservative thinkers should oppose those wars too because they worsen the economy so badly, the American people suffer way more than they should.
For a country who spends trillions of dollars on war, you should expect there to be ZERO poverty/hunger and full education for everyone.
are you mad someone agrees w/ her?
and what does any of what you said have to do w/ my reply???? you asked for information, i gave it to you and you reply w/ that
you don't see any of us here crying when you guys are agreeing on your dislike for nader
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Perfect...thanks for the massive dose of reality.
Facts?!...bah who needs facts when actions speak even louder than words...both written and spoken.
but but...but...
CHANGE!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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at least you're being honest about it, altho i disagree w/ you.
but it's not just obama's foreign policy plans i have trouble w/. it's also his energy plan, his health care plan, education plan (doesn't he want to increase funding for no child left behind??) his advisors (like one of the architects of NAFTA who like 2 years ago lobbyied for an escalation in wto and nafta policies and one of his finance ppl being the head of a bank who is a predatory lender, his campaign chair for new hampshire being a pharmaceutical lobbyist (which he lied about during the debate), his backpedaling on 'lobbyists won't have a job in my white house!!!'.....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Honestly
I watched an Indian guy interpret what Obama said to the Israeli lobby. I don't know what to make of it other than pandering. I'm certainly not going to freak out and start calling Obama a war monger.
If he'd have said this anywhere else I'd be looking to change myself.
The Jews rule the world you know:)
You don't understand a few things about foreign policy then. It all just flew right over your head..
Iran has legal rights to nuclear power. Obama doesn't think so, and aligns then with a terrorist organisation in spite of. That's really all that's needs to be understood.
Obama sucks Israels balls...and will continue to do so.
You think he's going to start telling Israel what to do now all the sudden?
That's some seriously funny shit right there...
indeed.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/05/1117964.aspx
kinda my sentiments... it's a short read
On an unrelated note, this is one of the funniest things I've read on here in a long time.
It's still a democratic voting process. So why exactly is Obama kissing ass if he's all that he says he is?
hmm...
I thought the people still decided.
edit: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html
yeap.... it's definitely for votes...a whopping 2%...
oh yeah...throw yourself under the bus for that o so astronomically massive 2%, of which, how many are are actually voters?
Change 08!
*gag*
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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