American missile shield in Poland

Kann
Kann Posts: 1,146
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
So, I guess everyone saw/read about this (for instance : http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/world/europe/16poland.html?hp).
What's your take on it, especially for Europeans?
I'm not to pleased with this, I know it's Poland's choice but ultimately it's on european territory. And the fact that we're playing a buffer role (once more) between Russia and the US is disturbing.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    im never a fan when one country puts its defenses in another country. to me this is an antagonistic move by the US.
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  • spyguy
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    its probably no big deal that Russia threatened Poland with nukes right?
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    Is it ok if Russia puts a missile defense system in Cuba or Venezuela?

    No it is no big deal that Russia has threatened - to turn some of their nukes towards Poland. We would do the same if Russia was on Cuban or Venezuela soil.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • spyguy
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    puremagic wrote:
    Is it ok if Russia puts a missile defense system in Cuba or Venezuela?

    is Poland on the same almost "enemy-like" terms with Russia as the US is with Venezuela? secondly why would Russia need a missile defense system in north america? who are they defending missiles from?

    puremagic wrote:
    No it is no big deal that Russia has threatened - to turn some of their nukes towards Poland.

    wow. just wow. we are taking nukes here, nuclear weapons. you realize what those are right?
    puremagic wrote:
    We would do the same if Russia was on Cuban or Venezuela soil.

    no actually we wouldnt. threaten action? sure. threaten to use nukes? no.
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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
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    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    spyguy wrote:
    is Poland on the same almost "enemy-like" terms with Russia as the US is with Venezuela? secondly why would Russia need a missile defense system in north america? who are they defending missiles from?




    wow. just wow. we are taking nukes here, nuclear weapons. you realize what those are right?



    no actually we wouldnt. threaten action? sure. threaten to use nukes? no.

    1. Bush's public reasoning for the missile defense system is because of the "war on terror". To be able to stop rogue nations like North Korea and Iran. Why don't you take the time to look up how many negotiated and signed Treaties have been broken by this proposed missile defense system.

    2. I know what nukes are, Poland knows what nukes are, Russia knows what nukes, the U.S. knows what nukes are, but more importantly it is the people of Europe who have to realize what nukes are because they are the ones that face the horrors of what could happen if push comes to shove.

    -They are the ones still finding landmines and bombs on their soil and in their waterways.

    - They are the ones who can still see the effects of a total war. It is the European people, who have no voice in this stupid medley that is playing out on there soil and will effect their lives for generations if it goes bad. Iran, nor North Korea has the missile power to reach the continental U.S.

    3. What conventional military action do you think the U.S. could put up against Russia without a stalemate or an escalation? Bush would be facing the same decision Truman had to make, continue losing a mass amount of manpower and watch this conflict spread across Europe or end it.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • spyguy
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    puremagic wrote:
    1. Bush's public reasoning for the missile defense system is because of the "war on terror". To be able to stop rogue nations like North Korea and Iran. Why don't you take the time to look up how many negotiated and signed Treaties have been broken by this proposed missile defense system.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/20/poland.us.missile/index.html

    NATO seems cool with it. anyway, I'm not saying I support this move. but I do not support Russia throwing out nuke threats
    puremagic wrote:
    2. I know what nukes are, Poland knows what nukes are, Russia knows what nukes, the U.S. knows what nukes are, but more importantly it is the people of Europe who have to realize what nukes are because they are the ones that face the horrors of what could happen if push comes to shove.

    er um ok. thanks :confused:
    puremagic wrote:
    -They are the ones still finding landmines and bombs on their soil and in their waterways.

    - They are the ones who can still see the effects of a total war. It is the European people, who have no voice in this stupid medley that is playing out on there soil and will effect their lives for generations if it goes bad. Iran, nor North Korea has the missile power to reach the continental U.S.

    3. What conventional military action do you think the U.S. could put up against Russia without a stalemate or an escalation? Bush would be facing the same decision Truman had to make, continue losing a mass amount of manpower and watch this conflict spread across Europe or end it.

    what the hell is your point with this mini rant?
  • catefrances
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    spyguy wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/20/poland.us.missile/index.html

    NATO seems cool with it. ...



    well of course NATO seems cool with it. :rolleyes:
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  • spyguy
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    catefrances wrote:
    well of course NATO seems cool with it. :rolleyes:

    and thats bad?
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    spyguy wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/20/poland.us.missile/index.html

    NATO seems cool with it. anyway, I'm not saying I support this move. but I do not support Russia throwing out nuke threats



    er um ok. thanks :confused:



    what the hell is your point with this mini rant?


    If you don't get it fine, but, its time you figured some things out on your own. Reading and comprehension go together.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • catefrances
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    spyguy wrote:
    and thats bad?


    nope. just a ridiculous statement considering WHO is a member of NATO.
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  • spyguy
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    puremagic wrote:
    If you don't get it fine, but, its time you figured some things out on your own. Reading and comprehension go together.

    I get what your saying but it has nothing to do with this discussion. pull it together
  • spyguy
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    catefrances wrote:
    nope. just a ridiculous statement considering WHO is a member of NATO.

    thanks for chiming in. when you have something constructive to say, I'll be happy to listen
  • catefrances
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    spyguy wrote:
    thanks for chiming in. when you have something constructive to say, I'll be happy to listen

    LMAO!!! dont insult me. i would have thought anyone with any intelligence would realise that NATO will be supportive of anything the USA does because the USA is a massive part of NATO. it is not in their economic best interests to go against the US.
    constructive enough for you?
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  • spyguy
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    catefrances wrote:
    LMAO!!! dont insult me. i would have thought anyone with any intelligence would realise that NATO will be supportive of anything the USA does because the USA is a massive part of NATO. it is not in their economic best interests to go against the US.
    constructive enough for you?

    I didnt insult you. I simply asked you say something constructive. which you clearly have trouble doing.
  • catefrances
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    spyguy wrote:
    I didnt insult you. I simply asked you say something constructive. which you clearly have trouble doing.


    a veiled insult is still an insult. as is condescension.

    hmm you posted NATO seems to be ok with it. i pointed out WHY that would be the case. id say that was constructive. obviously you are of the opinion that adding an opinion that expands the original statement with an explanation isnt adding anything constructive.
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    catefrances wrote:
    a veiled insult is still an insult. as is condescension.

    hmm you posted NATO seems to be ok with it. i pointed out WHY that would be the case. id say that was constructive. obviously you are of the opinion that adding an opinion that expands the original statement with an explanation isnt adding anything constructive.

    are you done? move along
  • catefrances
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    spyguy wrote:
    are you done? move along


    youll be the last to know when i am.
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  • puremagic
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    spyguy wrote:
    I get what your saying but it has nothing to do with this discussion. pull it together


    Really, because I thought the discussion was in relation to the topic of the thread and totally on point in replying to you directly. I'll try to remember that you're a one liner and keep it simple.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.

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