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If the election was today..

macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
assuming your candidate is on the ballot in all 50 states.... who would you vote for and most importantly, why?
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    im not an american so i cannot vote but i am rather partial to obama. i have seen him give speeches on tv and he is really inspirational. he seems to send out the voice of hope rather than fear.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Nobody - just like the last election and many before that.

    I can't endorse any of these crooks and liars.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ron Paul. In my opinion one of the greatest problems we face today is our very own government. It has grown to an unmanageable size and spending is completely out of control. Our government is supposed to work for us and that is no longer the case. Our government caters first to it's own self serving interests and to the interests of lobbest and special interest groups regardless of the effects it may have on the people of this country. To me Ron Paul is the only candidate which even admits that this is the case and is the only one willing to change this. I may not agree with him on every issue but at least he wants to restore the power back to the people where it belongs.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    know1 wrote:
    Nobody - just like the last election and many before that.

    I can't endorse any of these crooks and liars.

    I agree. I'm not liking anyone on either side. and I'm very disappointed how the media gets to choose who is the best. it really bothers me.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    mammasan wrote:
    Ron Paul. In my opinion one of the greatest problems we face today is our very own government. It has grown to an unmanageable size and spending is completely out of control. Our government is supposed to work for us and that is no longer the case. Our government caters first to it's own self serving interests and to the interests of lobbest and special interest groups regardless of the effects it may have on the people of this country. To me Ron Paul is the only candidate which even admits that this is the case and is the only one willing to change this. I may not agree with him on every issue but at least he wants to restore the power back to the people where it belongs.
    what he said
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Ron Paul. He's the only candidate with a focus on individual liberty.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jeffbr wrote:
    Ron Paul. He's the only candidate with a focus on individual liberty.

    hes the only one?
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    macgyver06 wrote:
    hes the only one?

    Yes.

    Other candidates seem to focus on fixing social ills, benefitting the greater good, etc...

    Who else do you see that has a focus on individual liberty?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    (Ron Paul only one focus on individual liberty)

    I agree. It's why I am not a fan.


    I think there is a role for government in making a better society. Whereever the market fails (and that is probably the difference between myself and a liberatarian--they don't think it does with few exceptions), I am OK with government intervention.

    I, with all my commie social programs and national bike trail grants, etc. etc. still feel that someone with my view of how a government could operate, could probably find about a third of the national budget to cut in 15 minutes. And I firmly believe that Ron Paul would have an interest in doing that. None of the rest would. But I am sure that Ron and I have different views on why poor people are poor, what to do about impoverished kids, etc. Like most liberals, I am with him on most social issues, but when he starts trying to slash the budget, some social programs that I believe in will be the first to go...it's the path of least resistance. The things that are really there to help corporate America are going nowhere.

    As for who I'd vote for...I don't even know who the greens are running. If all of the notable candidates were part of it, it would be Kucinich for me.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jeffbr wrote:
    Yes.

    Other candidates seem to focus on fixing social ills, benefitting the greater good, etc...

    Who else do you see that has a focus on individual liberty?

    gravel has talked of making citizens individual lawmakers
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    gravel has talked of making citizens individual lawmakers

    I went to his website but couldnt find much of his policies. care to post some?
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I went to his website but couldnt find much of his policies. care to post some?

    Not publicly acknowledging stances on the issues...that's just crazy enough to get someone elected.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I went to his website but couldnt find much of his policies. care to post some?

    of course... this is a really good page

    http://www.gravel2008.us/issues

    theres a good video about a national ID card also..

    the reason im supporting this guy is because...Gravel, like Nader is running for us.. he is currently in no political position which means he is not abandoning his elected job to campaign.. Nader has said he will not run against gravel...he is that respected... also..He understands how the government works...he is a veteran of politics...he doesnt talk out of his ass...ask an alaskan... while he was senator there a place called tuolumne i think its spelled...its one of the songs on into the wild... he chained himself to i think it was a tree that had to be removed so that the government could build a commercial bridge for the only reason of shipping things that were unnecessary... this wasnt any bridge it was supposed to be a million dollar project for the sole purpose of benefiting corporations.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Not publicly acknowledging stances on the issues...that's just crazy enough to get someone elected.


    youre out of your element and its dissapointing to me that you would dismiss a person you have no knowledge of.

    i hope you lose your voters card and all identification come election day :)
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    macgyver06 wrote:
    youre out of your element and its dissapointing to me that you would dismiss a person you have no knowledge of.

    i hope you lose your voters card and all identification come election day :)

    What do you mean I am out of my element?

    I admit that I have not done my homework on Gravel (I have a calendar year 2008 rule before I do any proactive looking into this), but the real point I was making was that some people seem not to want their stances to come out for as long as possible. It's what's going to sink Obama...his stances will come out. Just a wisecrack response to Jlew's post.
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    macgyver06 wrote:
    youre out of your element and its dissapointing to me that you would dismiss a person you have no knowledge of.

    i hope you lose your voters card and all identification come election day :)

    And don't worry. Come election day, I won't be voting for someone who has a chance.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    What do you mean I am out of my element?

    I admit that I have not done my homework on Gravel (I have a calendar year 2008 rule before I do any proactive looking into this), but the real point I was making was that some people seem not to want their stances to come out for as long as possible. It's what's going to sink Obama...his stances will come out. Just a wisecrack response to Jlew's post.

    well im saying...he makes his stance clear...in his debates i hear people saying this guys off the wall...well it may seem that way when he is on stage with a bunch of career politicians who dont give a fuck about change and you. so in a way...when he is debating he is off the wall if the wall is refusing to answer the questions they are asked..or answers back with another question.


    straight, clear, defining answers apparently nowadays is crazy talk.
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