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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    EDITED:

    Note to self. Do not post after drinking :(
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    not to be an ass,
    but like WHAT?

    wind and solar.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    wind and solar.

    neither of those come close to providing enough energy to meet the needs of any country. what else?
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    macgyver06 wrote:
    wind and solar.

    conservation is key ... stop wasting resources like everyone does now ... we could be off mid-east oil so fast ...

    don't let the lobbyists fool ya ... we aren't nearly as addicted as some make it to be ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    conservation is key ... stop wasting resources like everyone does now ... we could be off mid-east oil so fast ...

    don't let the lobbyists fool ya ... we aren't nearly as addicted as some make it to be ...

    conserving would only bring prices down. not unleash us from our dependence on oil
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jlew24asu wrote:
    neither of those come close to providing enough energy to meet the needs of any country. what else?

    where do you get this information..are you suggesting there isnt enough wind to generate enough power to run this country? and that there is a limit to solar power?
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    also JLEW...mr. uninformed 2007


    ur telling me you couldnt have enough solar power to run the vatican city?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    where do you get this information..are you suggesting there isnt enough wind to generate enough power to run this country?
    yes. you would need millions of turbines scattered throughout the land. no thanks. although wind power is nice and does help. it will never replace oil. simply isnt practical.
    macgyver06 wrote:
    and that there is a limit to solar power?
    yes. its called night.

    http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1077581/solar_power_not_the_brightest_idea/index.html


    you were excellent though on the episode when you were stuck under the train and use solar power to create an explosive. powerful stuff.
    http://www.nerdgasmic.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/macgyver.jpg
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    also JLEW...mr. uninformed 2007


    ur telling me you couldnt have enough solar power to run the vatican city?

    mr. uniformed 2007? wow that was dumb.

    only you would pick the country no bigger then a baseball stadium. how bout china? or japan? or US? how bout the world? stop posting here, its just silly.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    conserving would only bring prices down. not unleash us from our dependence on oil

    can you elaborate on that?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    can you elaborate on that?

    conserving is great. I'm all for it. but you seem to suggest that would eliminate our dependence on oil. that impossible. conserving would lower the demand thus lowering the price. but we would still be using oil to drive cars and heat homes. just less of it.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    conserving is great. I'm all for it. but you seem to suggest that would eliminate our dependence on oil. that impossible. conserving would lower the demand thus lowering the price. but we would still be using oil to drive cars and heat homes. just less of it.

    we don't need oil to drive cars now - nor do we need it to heat homes ... there are alternatives for most things oil ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    we don't need oil to drive cars now - nor do we need it to heat homes
    yes we do
    polaris wrote:
    ... there are alternatives for most things oil ...

    such as ? where do I get it
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes we do

    electric? hydrogen?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    such as ? where do I get it

    natural gas can heat homes, masonry stoves, if we insulated homes much better, made use of passive solar - much can be done on that front ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    electric? hydrogen?
    this has not been mastered yet. costs to produce is still too high and its no where near ready for mass production. but we are getting close. this will eventually take over.
    polaris wrote:
    natural gas can heat homes, masonry stoves, if we insulated homes much better, made use of passive solar - much can be done on that front ...
    I agree. much can be done.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzFc9IIg7i0

    this is change...
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    this has not been mastered yet. costs to produce is still too high and its no where near ready for mass production. but we are getting close. this will eventually take over.

    I agree. much can be done.

    the electric car is pretty close to being mastered for 90% of the market - don't let the big auto manufacturers fool ya ... electric cars have less moving parts meaning less breakdown ... they can't make the money on servicing and parts ...

    if we didn't subsidize oil right now - we'd probably all be driving electric ...
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    polaris wrote:
    electric? hydrogen?



    natural gas can heat homes, masonry stoves, if we insulated homes much better, made use of passive solar - much can be done on that front ...

    hydrogen is a joke. a myth. a sham.
    just like ethanol.

    hydrogen is not an energy PRODUCING system. it is a STORAGE system. do some in depth research on it, and you will see that at the end of the day, hydrogen isn't gonna help us.
    google "hydrogen scam" ... you will soon be depressed again.
    :(

    same thing with ethanol ...
    the amount of oil used to grow, harvest, refine, and distribute all that corn-fuel is greater than the amount of energy produced by burning it in the end ...

    and on top of that, you just raped mother earth of more topsoil! topsoil that we no longer have much of.

    Wind?
    JLew addressed that.
    The number of turbines required is not only impractical, it is impossible ...

    Hydroelectric?
    If you damn all the rivers of the world, you kill so many species and so drasticaly alter the nutrient flow, and kill so many trees on the edges that you kill the world.

    Solar?
    not so bright ... :(

    Sorry guys.
    I'm an idealist too, but also a realist.
    Whomever said the only way to reduce our energy dependence is to reduce consumption is correct.

    The real truth is that we are over bought on infrastructure, and the human race is over populated ... billions over populated for what the earth can really carry ...

    the only true way to get off big energy is to cut our numbers in fourths or halves, and to stop pretending like we can be "consumers" ... i mean ... Daniel Quinn is right.

    Not that it is an enjoyable proposition.

    I'm just saying that returning to some more primitive form of civilization has to happen in the long run.
    The current high-tech industrial world is a drop in the bucket of time, and it ain't gonna last much longer.

    :(
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    strictly enforced Nuclear power.

    but drifting is right, something is gonna have to cull the herd....
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MrSmith wrote:
    strictly enforced Nuclear power.

    but drifting is right, something is gonna have to cull the herd....

    2 problems with nuclear. "not in my backyard syndrome" and no good solution to get rid of the waste.

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