conserving is great. I'm all for it. but you seem to suggest that would eliminate our dependence on oil. that impossible. conserving would lower the demand thus lowering the price. but we would still be using oil to drive cars and heat homes. just less of it.
conserving is great. I'm all for it. but you seem to suggest that would eliminate our dependence on oil. that impossible. conserving would lower the demand thus lowering the price. but we would still be using oil to drive cars and heat homes. just less of it.
we don't need oil to drive cars now - nor do we need it to heat homes ... there are alternatives for most things oil ...
this has not been mastered yet. costs to produce is still too high and its no where near ready for mass production. but we are getting close. this will eventually take over.
this has not been mastered yet. costs to produce is still too high and its no where near ready for mass production. but we are getting close. this will eventually take over.
I agree. much can be done.
the electric car is pretty close to being mastered for 90% of the market - don't let the big auto manufacturers fool ya ... electric cars have less moving parts meaning less breakdown ... they can't make the money on servicing and parts ...
if we didn't subsidize oil right now - we'd probably all be driving electric ...
natural gas can heat homes, masonry stoves, if we insulated homes much better, made use of passive solar - much can be done on that front ...
hydrogen is a joke. a myth. a sham.
just like ethanol.
hydrogen is not an energy PRODUCING system. it is a STORAGE system. do some in depth research on it, and you will see that at the end of the day, hydrogen isn't gonna help us.
google "hydrogen scam" ... you will soon be depressed again.
:(
same thing with ethanol ...
the amount of oil used to grow, harvest, refine, and distribute all that corn-fuel is greater than the amount of energy produced by burning it in the end ...
and on top of that, you just raped mother earth of more topsoil! topsoil that we no longer have much of.
Wind?
JLew addressed that.
The number of turbines required is not only impractical, it is impossible ...
Hydroelectric?
If you damn all the rivers of the world, you kill so many species and so drasticaly alter the nutrient flow, and kill so many trees on the edges that you kill the world.
Sorry guys.
I'm an idealist too, but also a realist.
Whomever said the only way to reduce our energy dependence is to reduce consumption is correct.
The real truth is that we are over bought on infrastructure, and the human race is over populated ... billions over populated for what the earth can really carry ...
the only true way to get off big energy is to cut our numbers in fourths or halves, and to stop pretending like we can be "consumers" ... i mean ... Daniel Quinn is right.
Not that it is an enjoyable proposition.
I'm just saying that returning to some more primitive form of civilization has to happen in the long run.
The current high-tech industrial world is a drop in the bucket of time, and it ain't gonna last much longer.
:(
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
hydrogen is a joke. a myth. a sham.
just like ethanol.
hydrogen is not an energy PRODUCING system. it is a STORAGE system. do some in depth research on it, and you will see that at the end of the day, hydrogen isn't gonna help us.
google "hydrogen scam" ... you will soon be depressed again.
:(
uhhh ... what part about that makes hydrogen a myth?? ... yes, right now hydrogen needs to be made - but attaching a wind turbine to a hydrogen plant makes that fuel portable and usable ... it's really no diffferent then refining oil ...
based on some preliminary calculations - the hydrogen that is made where i live by a wind turbine costs about $3 a litre ... it may sound significant from the $1 a litre we pay here in canada for gas but its hardly a set back considering we aren't mass producing it at that price ... and it isn't subsidized like oil ..
hydrogen is a joke. a myth. a sham.
just like ethanol.
hydrogen is not an energy PRODUCING system. it is a STORAGE system. do some in depth research on it, and you will see that at the end of the day, hydrogen isn't gonna help us.
google "hydrogen scam" ... you will soon be depressed again.
:(
same thing with ethanol ...
the amount of oil used to grow, harvest, refine, and distribute all that corn-fuel is greater than the amount of energy produced by burning it in the end ...
and on top of that, you just raped mother earth of more topsoil! topsoil that we no longer have much of.
Wind?
JLew addressed that.
The number of turbines required is not only impractical, it is impossible ...
Hydroelectric?
If you damn all the rivers of the world, you kill so many species and so drasticaly alter the nutrient flow, and kill so many trees on the edges that you kill the world.
Sorry guys.
I'm an idealist too, but also a realist.
Whomever said the only way to reduce our energy dependence is to reduce consumption is correct.
The real truth is that we are over bought on infrastructure, and the human race is over populated ... billions over populated for what the earth can really carry ...
the only true way to get off big energy is to cut our numbers in fourths or halves, and to stop pretending like we can be "consumers" ... i mean ... Daniel Quinn is right.
Not that it is an enjoyable proposition.
I'm just saying that returning to some more primitive form of civilization has to happen in the long run.
The current high-tech industrial world is a drop in the bucket of time, and it ain't gonna last much longer.
:(
I don't know how you get the "scam" out of hydrogen. Everyone understands, at this point, almost all hydrogen produced in the US is made via fossil fuels.
something you may not know - hydrogen gas can burn in an internal combustion engine.
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conserving is great. I'm all for it. but you seem to suggest that would eliminate our dependence on oil. that impossible. conserving would lower the demand thus lowering the price. but we would still be using oil to drive cars and heat homes. just less of it.
we don't need oil to drive cars now - nor do we need it to heat homes ... there are alternatives for most things oil ...
such as ? where do I get it
electric? hydrogen?
natural gas can heat homes, masonry stoves, if we insulated homes much better, made use of passive solar - much can be done on that front ...
I agree. much can be done.
this is change...
the electric car is pretty close to being mastered for 90% of the market - don't let the big auto manufacturers fool ya ... electric cars have less moving parts meaning less breakdown ... they can't make the money on servicing and parts ...
if we didn't subsidize oil right now - we'd probably all be driving electric ...
hydrogen is a joke. a myth. a sham.
just like ethanol.
hydrogen is not an energy PRODUCING system. it is a STORAGE system. do some in depth research on it, and you will see that at the end of the day, hydrogen isn't gonna help us.
google "hydrogen scam" ... you will soon be depressed again.
:(
same thing with ethanol ...
the amount of oil used to grow, harvest, refine, and distribute all that corn-fuel is greater than the amount of energy produced by burning it in the end ...
and on top of that, you just raped mother earth of more topsoil! topsoil that we no longer have much of.
Wind?
JLew addressed that.
The number of turbines required is not only impractical, it is impossible ...
Hydroelectric?
If you damn all the rivers of the world, you kill so many species and so drasticaly alter the nutrient flow, and kill so many trees on the edges that you kill the world.
Solar?
not so bright ... :(
Sorry guys.
I'm an idealist too, but also a realist.
Whomever said the only way to reduce our energy dependence is to reduce consumption is correct.
The real truth is that we are over bought on infrastructure, and the human race is over populated ... billions over populated for what the earth can really carry ...
the only true way to get off big energy is to cut our numbers in fourths or halves, and to stop pretending like we can be "consumers" ... i mean ... Daniel Quinn is right.
Not that it is an enjoyable proposition.
I'm just saying that returning to some more primitive form of civilization has to happen in the long run.
The current high-tech industrial world is a drop in the bucket of time, and it ain't gonna last much longer.
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
but drifting is right, something is gonna have to cull the herd....
2 problems with nuclear. "not in my backyard syndrome" and no good solution to get rid of the waste.
uhhh ... what part about that makes hydrogen a myth?? ... yes, right now hydrogen needs to be made - but attaching a wind turbine to a hydrogen plant makes that fuel portable and usable ... it's really no diffferent then refining oil ...
based on some preliminary calculations - the hydrogen that is made where i live by a wind turbine costs about $3 a litre ... it may sound significant from the $1 a litre we pay here in canada for gas but its hardly a set back considering we aren't mass producing it at that price ... and it isn't subsidized like oil ..
I don't know how you get the "scam" out of hydrogen. Everyone understands, at this point, almost all hydrogen produced in the US is made via fossil fuels.
something you may not know - hydrogen gas can burn in an internal combustion engine.
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