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What your ballot should look like come November.

macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
edited February 2008 in A Moving Train
Republican President John McCain, Vice Rudy Giuliani
Democrat President Hillary Clinton, Vice Barack Obama
Independent President Ralph Nader, Vice Mike Gravel
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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Your duty:
    Write in: Ron Paul
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Your duty:
    Write in: Ron Paul


    heheh nice

    p.s. your signaturre quote is still not the correct quote
  • odaraia-planet artodaraia-planet art Posts: 15
    Don't get discouraged and keep your principles. I couldn't find that anyone in this thread knows about Green candidate, Cynthia McKinney (former Democratic rep). New parties are frequently created in US history by dissatisfied party members voting with their feet. If you're interested, check out McKinney's site--she was on Democracy Now recently and was a frequent guest regarding the war, Katrina, impeachment, progressive issues. Also, whoever gets in government, it's up to us to keep up the pressure and not assume mom or dad will take care of everything. This is what many progressive Democratic representatives in congress repeatedly say--keep up the pressure. I still hold out hope that Bush, Cheney etal will eventually be indited for criminal activity.
    Evidence that resistance works: (it's not the same as "winning")
    overthrow of apartheid regime in S. Africa
    screw ups of Iran contra scandal
    US never invaded Nicaragua
    Argentina threw out the World Bank
    Seattle challenged globalization, raised awareness and shut down WTO in 1999

    Staying optimistic in the light of oppression used to be referred to as "keep the faith."

    And yes, I saw Barack Obama's Seattle talk and Hillary Rodham Clinton's Tacoma talk on the tv today. They both looked tired. I'd be exhausted, too.
    odaraia
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I'll keep McKinney in mind.....as a possible VP choice for Barack.

    Thanks for this tip.
    Feels Good Inc.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    macgyver06 wrote:
    p.s. your signaturre quote is still not the correct quote

    You tried that with him before and neglected to site any source. There is definitely debate indicating that the Franklin attribution is suspect, but it is currently the most accepted. Your attribution came out of left field, and I'm not sure where you got it from. Any sources?

    There are plenty of sources to back up Driftin. It is one of my favorite quotations and I always attribute it to Franklin as well even though his original may have been a bit differently worded. The sentiment and the author remain the same.

    http://www.bartleby.com/73/1056.html
    http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/quotable/quote04.htm
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
    http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/tyrrany/those-who-would-give-up-essential-liberty-for-a-little-temporary-safety-and-deserve-neither/
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jeffbr wrote:
    You tried that with him before and neglected to site any source. There is definitely debate indicating that the Franklin attribution is suspect, but it is currently the most accepted. Your attribution came out of left field, and I'm not sure where you got it from. Any sources?

    There are plenty of sources to back up Driftin. It is one of my favorite quotations and I always attribute it to Franklin as well even though his original may have been a bit differently worded. The sentiment and the author remain the same.

    http://www.bartleby.com/73/1056.html
    http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/quotable/quote04.htm
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
    http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/tyrrany/those-who-would-give-up-essential-liberty-for-a-little-temporary-safety-and-deserve-neither/


    Any society that will give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. - Benjamin Franklin
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    i doubt McCain chooses Giuliani. probably wont choose any of the people that ran against him, they all have big negatives.
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    MrSmith wrote:
    i doubt McCain chooses Giuliani. probably wont choose any of the people that ran against him, they all have big negatives.


    they are in the same party...they arent running against each other... also they have been friends for years.

    and its the republican party that should have big negatives, but apparently people in this country are still blinded to what war does to a country... and its making its light when our troops are going to prison for doing their job.


    ARMY STRONG.


    fucking insane.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Republican:
    John McCain (President)
    Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (Vice President)

    Democrat:
    Barack Obama (President)
    Senator Jim Webb (Vice President)

    I'd be happy w/ Richardson, Biden, or Edwards though...
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Republican:
    John McCain (President)
    Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (Vice President)

    Democrat:
    Barack Obama (President)
    Senator Jim Webb (Vice President)

    I'd be happy w/ Richardson, Biden, or Edwards though...


    VERY INTERESTING..im seen that guy all over McCain! never really thought about it...but its definitely not out of the question! is he allowed to run for VP if he has only served like1 year of his governor term though?
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    macgyver06 wrote:
    VERY INTERESTING..im seen that guy all over McCain! never really thought about it...but its definitely not out of the question! is he allowed to run for VP if he has only served like1 year of his governor term though?

    Oh yeah. No one is not allowed to be a VP because of a sitting position that they have.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Oh yeah. No one is not allowed to be a VP because of a sitting position that they have.


    i voted for nelson :) that guy spends way too much time in the tanning booth and hes already gotten an AMENDMENT passed and people dont even understand what it means :)
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Here's what my ballot will look like this November:

    ( )
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Here's what my ballot will look like this November:

    ( )

    That's a great attitude. You know you can pull a ballot and not vote for anyone right? What sends a message more? Staying home and being lumped in w/ the people too lazy to vote, or sending the message that you are informed on the process and unhappy with the choices both party have selected, so you won't vote for any
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    macgyver06 wrote:
    they are in the same party...they arent running against each other... also they have been friends for years.

    and its the republican party that should have big negatives, but apparently people in this country are still blinded to what war does to a country... and its making its light when our troops are going to prison for doing their job.


    ARMY STRONG.


    fucking insane.

    yeah but Giuliani is seen as even less conservative than McCain. Wouldn't help him solidify the base any, plus i dont think Giuliani has much pull with independents.

    Huckabee would help with the republicans, but hurt him with everyone else. plus i dont think the party elite likes Huckabee any more than McCain.

    Romney might be ok, but then McCain might have some "freak" accident in office just so the Republican elite could get their first choice in office. not a good choice.

    He will probably pick some conservative senator or something.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    ledvedderman wrote:
    That's a great attitude.

    Thank you. I like your attitude too.
    You know you can pull a ballot and not vote for anyone right?

    Absolutely!
    What sends a message more?

    Neither.
    Staying home and being lumped in w/ the people too lazy to vote, or sending the message that you are informed on the process and unhappy with the choices both party have selected, so you won't vote for any

    My happiness or unhappiness with the candidates is not a relevant subject to those involved, so I'm not sure what your point is.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Thank you. I like your attitude too.



    Absolutely!



    Neither.



    My happiness or unhappiness with the candidates is not a relevant subject to those involved, so I'm not sure what your point is.

    Maybe you should just state why you are not going to vote in November.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Maybe you should just state why you are not going to vote in November.

    Because I have no interest in sanctioning everything that I hate. If I held a gun to your head and a knife to your neck, how concerned would you be with choosing one or the other?
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Because I have no interest in sanctioning everything that I hate. If I held a gun to your head and a knife to your neck, how concerned would you be with choosing one or the other?

    I would show balls and choose neither...remaining quiet won't do anything for you.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I would show balls and choose neither...

    "Showing balls" would be to reject my right to put you in that situation to begin with and to refuse to participate in my crimes.
    remaining quiet won't do anything for you.

    I have no interest in using this process to "do anything" for me. Regardless, handing over an empty ballot won't do anything for me either.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    voting is participating in a crime? there are other people you could vote for. or just vote for yourself if you are so self righteous.

    voting does accomplish slighty more than nonvoting. maybe only a little, but it does.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    MrSmith wrote:
    voting is participating in a crime?

    That all depends on what you're voting for.
    there are other people you could vote for. or just vote for yourself if you are so self righteous.

    I am self-righteous! Self-righteous to the point that I'd have no interest in holding that job.
    voting does accomplish slighty more than nonvoting. maybe only a little, but it does.

    What does it accomplish?
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    "Showing balls" would be to reject my right to put you in that situation to begin with and to refuse to participate in my crimes.



    I have no interest in using this process to "do anything" for me. Regardless, handing over an empty ballot won't do anything for me either.

    Agree to disagree. You are clearly upset w/ the system, but the system will not do anything w/ you staying at home pouting about how terrible it is.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Agree to disagree.

    Ok.
    You are clearly upset w/ the system but the system will not do anything w/ you staying at home pouting about how terrible it is.

    Hehe...going to a polling place and pouting about it there won't do anything either.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok.



    Hehe...going to a polling place and pouting about it there won't do anything either.

    Who said anything about pouting in a polling place? At least by voting you would be stating that you care about the process no matter how fucked up you think it is now.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Who said anything about pouting in a polling place? At least by voting you would be stating that you care about the process no matter how fucked up you think it is now.

    Voting would be stating that I approve of a candidate. I do not approve of a candidate. You seem to be implying that I should vote for the least evil candidate and, ironically, insisting that such an action would send a "message". The only message that action would send is one of approval of the system, the participants, and the motives and morals of those involved. That would be the exact opposite of what I believe.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Voting would be stating that I approve of a candidate. I do not approve of a candidate. You seem to be implying that I should vote for the least evil candidate and, ironically, insisting that such an action would send a "message". The only message that action would send is one of approval of the system, the participants, and the motives and morals of those involved. That would be the exact opposite of what I believe.

    Where the hell did I try and get you to vote for anyone? I told you to pull a ballot and turn it in w/o voting for anyone.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    or vote third party
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Where the hell did I try and get you to vote for anyone? I told you to pull a ballot and turn it in w/o voting for anyone.

    Ok. What would that accomplish? What "message" would that send, who would receive it, and what action would they take?
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    MrSmith wrote:
    or vote third party

    I've done that. All that has happened in response is the two dominant parties have moved closer to a corrupt center. So why should I even bother compromising my principles again and voting for a lousy third party?
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